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talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 03 2012 22:28 GMT
#472
So now there's two samuses and at least one falcon. Can we all agree that I'm not that crazy to think of the setup here? It wasn't done randomly (or at least I really doubt it) and I can't see toad putting all three of those kp roles on town, especially given my role.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 03 2012 22:32 GMT
#475
On July 04 2012 07:29 Risen wrote:
I think it's safe to assume that scum was on both sides. Tali/grush scum team imo


Haha that doesn't even begin to make sense. At least the people putting me with igrok can make up a coherent story.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 03 2012 22:40 GMT
#479
On July 04 2012 07:34 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 07:28 talismania wrote:
So now there's two samuses and at least one falcon. Can we all agree that I'm not that crazy to think of the setup here? It wasn't done randomly (or at least I really doubt it) and I can't see toad putting all three of those kp roles on town, especially given my role.


It does seem extremely unlikely, but on the other hand town possibly mis-shooting has to be taken into account also. Not to mention busdrivers / roleblockers / medics / hiding foxes. I'm still going to try and concentrate on playing based on the filters, and so far I don't mind grush losing 1.5 stock at all.


Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 07:29 Risen wrote:
I think it's safe to assume that scum was on both sides. Tali/grush scum team imo


I hope you're kidding. Only scum up for lynch on D1? That's not even realistic in fairyland.


Well there's no that much room left for all those roles. You also have to ask yourself: what roles would people want to play? I doubt anyone actually would ever pick roleblocker, just because of the good odds that they would roll town and have no idea what to do with it. I know I didn't even consider making that choice for that reason.

Btw I'm still wondering if someone can explain to me how this bus driver thing works.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 03 2012 22:50 GMT
#483
spreadsheet updated with roles.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgoLbFr8c0_7dERRMUVqYjQtb200SVVVd0lsaEpYV0E
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 03 2012 22:55 GMT
#486
Have you been playing? These are all claimed/revealed.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 03 2012 23:00 GMT
#491
Oops made it so anyone can edit it and saved a local copy in case a troll reading the thread goes crazy.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 04 2012 16:33 GMT
#528
welp I am town so sorry to disappoint Hiro.

@homerunbat I had the benefit of being bold and fearless in bastard 2 because I was a dayvig and had a clear plan of action with that ability. I executed the plan well and shot scum day one. Not only that but there was a lie detector check (of sorts) on me. So I played really freely the rest of that game.

I'm kind of liking being the center of attention in this game though. At the moment I consider acrofales/kingdedede almost certainly town. If he were scum he wouldn't have publicly changed his mind about me. Shouldn't have anyway - I would be a great candidate for one of the lynches tomorrow given that I was second in votes today. And I think acrofales would have especially wanted me gone if he were scum given that I just finished playing a long game with him.

The same sort of goes for Cephiro although it's a bit weaker. He publicly stated he did NOT want me lynched yesterday. That's strange behavior if he were scum. Like, say grush and I are both town (and I think there's a decent chance he is). Grush is always going to be there as an easy-ish vote to push for scum. But getting damage on me day 1? That's a great opportunity because I'm an active and thorough player and most people here know that. It could be that cephiro made his ranking thing and wanted to stick with it though, in which case there's still the chance he was scum so I'm not ruling him out entirely.

This certainly does not apply to Mister Saturn / HiroPro. Both Hiro and S&B know I play actively and that I don't miss much of anything that happens in the thread. After Hiro flailed around a bit trying to latch onto a target I think he was glad to find me. And his certainty in pushing me is consistent with scum behavior. Still can't figure out who the partner is which admittedly is rather troubling. I was tempted to say Homerunbat because of his recent post about me but that doesn't really make sense given that hiro at one point was voting for him without resistance. Also, the fact that ShiaoPi switched the vote from me to grush isn't consistent with that either. I can't think of a really solid reason in general that scum would want grush dead over me. Maybe if scum were afraid that grush might have falcon, knowing that he went for samus first? I guess that's a possibility, but doesn't really make too much sense given that lynches don't kill outright.

_______________


Call to action:

this is an 8-person game. To expand on what acro is asking for, everyone should be posting their reads of everyone else, at least once a cycle. In a thirty person game this sort of thing is cumbersome, but in a game this small it is essential. It forces scum to talk about themselves and everyone else, the more we make scum lie the better, yadda yadda. I'll keep compiling people's reads and such in the spreadsheet/document as they happen.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 04 2012 17:18 GMT
#532
It's not in place of anything, it's in supplement. It is not anti-town. Scum suck at doing this. They hate saying that they think people are town, or saying who they think is scum. It is just flat out harder for them. Each individual read can be a starting point for further discussion. There are list-check possibilities when people flip. It is amazing for town.

Also I have been proposing this since space station.

Also also don't think that every little thing that happens has to necessarily lead to scum directly. But the more reads people post the better.

Also also also "lets scum blend in" is a stupid response to it. Scum are going to try to blend in no matter what lol. There's no town atmosphere in which scum are trying to stick out. And in general it's easiest to blend in in a lurky thread, then a spammy thread, then an active thread. So that argument holds no water.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 04 2012 22:17 GMT
#551
well shit I was just thinking maybe risen was mister saturn's partner.

grush why did you shoot risen?

talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 04 2012 22:17 GMT
#554
oh looks like I missed a few posts there
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 04 2012 22:28 GMT
#568
On July 05 2012 07:18 Mister Saturn wrote:
You're a captain falcon, aren't you talismania?


I'm not going to outright claim anything right now but I think if anyone goes through my filter and thinks about what has transpired in the game they should be able to figure it out regardless.

And, uh

##vote: grush57

until he talks anyway. I think scum was making the simplest move possible: shooting the guy with a 1.5kp gun with both the bullets that they have.

Hiro and s&b, I think I might have just been completely wrong about you if this is indeed the case. Confusing though but if grush is actually scum then a samus + falcon scum team seems kind of imba.

What do people think about the possibility of risen + grush?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 04 2012 22:29 GMT
#570
On July 05 2012 07:24 Mister Saturn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 07:17 talismania wrote:
well shit I was just thinking maybe risen was mister saturn's partner.

grush why did you shoot risen?



I know you're not this bad.


Yo chill an entire page happened while I was thinking and wrote that.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 04 2012 22:37 GMT
#579
Yeah... people should go read what risen did to try and save grush yesterday. Like so obvious it shouldn't be that obvious. It also makes the cephiro pick for night kill more sensible, as cephiro was on risen's case. I'm down for risen lava push - might be nice to get a flip too mid-day.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 04 2012 22:53 GMT
#586
strongandbig you really think it's possible cephiro is scum after he ate two shots last night? And how unlikely is it that grush was just humdeedumming by his lonesome town self and decided to shoot cephiro of all people?

I say we lynch grush, push risen and possible even win the game.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 04 2012 22:57 GMT
#590
@cephiro: I'm fine with you picking item spots.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 04 2012 23:26 GMT
#596
Risen

why did you switch your vote at the last second from grush to me anyway?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 04 2012 23:51 GMT
#600
On July 05 2012 08:35 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 08:12 kingdedede wrote:
@Cephiro: tell me where to stand.

DECIDE FOR YOURSELF HE IS MAFIA AHHHHHHHHHHHH


grush you still need to explain why the hell you decided to shoot him.

Right now I can't figure out why you did it from a town point of view, or why you would be dumb enough to admit to it from a scum point of view.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 05 2012 16:57 GMT
#752
eh, ##push: Risen

I think he's done ok scrambling but I can't shake the fact that he tried to save grush at the last second. grush is clearly scum and he has simply played poorly. He shouldn't have shot the same person they were putting the night kill on to begin with, and he shouldn't have claimed the shot afterwards. Assuming there's at least some modicum of communication between the two scumbuddies, I can't imagine hiropro or strongandbig letting someone do that.

I'll go ahead and roleclaim since I don't see why not at this point.

I'm kirby, and I ate risen last night. He is indeed a donkey kong (kirby's eating is unaffected by the bus according to toad after I asked).

I think this leaves only homerunbat as an unknown role not that it really matters at this point anyway.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 05 2012 17:14 GMT
#755
no I think it's you + grush.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 05 2012 17:19 GMT
#760
no I think it's grush and he's played bad. grush had no town reason for shooting cephiro. He never even mentioned him day one. If he were town he should have shot me or iGrok.
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