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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 04 2012 22:14 GMT
#546
I think Risen was probably bussed. He is an odd choice for a scum hit
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 04 2012 22:16 GMT
#548
possibly, that would help explain the NK too. Cephiro is not a bad target for the night hit.
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 04 2012 22:21 GMT
#560
i suck at anagrams
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 04 2012 22:25 GMT
#564
I want to lynch grush, and lava push Mr. Saturn.

##vote grush57
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 04 2012 22:28 GMT
#567
EBWOP: s0L for all those posts
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 04 2012 22:29 GMT
#569
Zebes lynch goes to Saturn. Does anybody think he is not the 2nd scum?
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 04 2012 23:42 GMT
#599
It's pretty funny, in the time I spent reading/writing last night I wrote up a big case on Risen, then decided to scrap it after going over past games. Here it is for reference:
+ Show Spoiler +

I want to talk about Risen.

I'll try to keep this brief as I can, but it's going to be a longer post, so brace yourselves.

Let's start with who he has been casting suspicion on. I was going to quote all the posts but I'll just summarize. Go have a look at his filter for verification.

He has very obviously been on iGrok since day 1.

He described a post by cephiro as 'so scummy,' and outlined in another post how he is scum playing dumb.

He commented that Mister Saturn should be higher than rank 5 on cephiro's suspicion list, due to scum Mr. S potentially playing the 'emokid' on purpose

He voted grush57 for emulating BM

He voted talismania at the last minute. Prior to this he had voted talismania for accusing him. He also found talismania's list weird for outing blues, despite the fact that that was public knowledge.

He voted for HomerunBat because we were so sure iGrok was town. He told Mr. Saturn to vote for us as well.

The only person missing from this list is kingdedede. He is a town read for cephiro, and I think he looks pretty town too. When I tried to think of someone who I had a stronger town read on, it wasn't easy. So to sum up, Risen has been on pretty much everyone in the game at different times, minus possibly the strongest town read in the game. He has been casting suspicion on anything that moves. Keep this in mind as we move forward.

Now have a look at this:

On July 04 2012 06:28 Risen wrote:
Well then lame... I still think people should vote for who they think is scum simply b/c a lynch != a flip. We don't gain information from a lynch like we normally would. At the same time, we have to put pressure on people we think are scum so it's not like we SHOULD be no-lynching. I just think putting a vote on someone you don't think is scum so you can be on one of the major targets is silly.


He wants to vote for people who are scum regardless of what the vote-count it. He doesn't think you should be voting someone you don't think is scum just to bandwagon on a major target. Our major targets as the lynch approached were grush57 and talismania.

Check it:

On July 04 2012 06:29 Risen wrote:
Also.

##unvote
##vote: GRUSH57


BM is NOT the person you want to emulate when playing games with me.


Thirty minutes later:

On July 04 2012 06:59 Risen wrote:
##unvote
##vote: talismania


LAST SECOND SWAP LIKE I SAID I WOULD FUCK YOU CEPHIRO!!!!

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On July 04 2012 06:57 grush57 wrote:
HOW AWFUL.


AGREED!!!


He broke both his own rules here. He voted against his best scum reads (who I assume are me and iGrok, more on this in a sec), and tacked on to both of our major targets.

Now his latest post:
On July 04 2012 12:35 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 10:01 Mister Saturn wrote:
EBWOP:

You don't think HomerunBat is scum anymore, Risen?


I don't actually have super strong scum reads on anyone. Not sure I could so early in the game. iGrok and homerunbat top my list followed by t and you. But if you shoot iGrok to death you'll be my favorite person in this game.


So the sum total of all his day 1 efforts...he thinks iGrok and I are the scummiest. He did jack shit to push us beyond momentary sparks amongst his accusations of pretty much everyone in the thread. Even after all that shit flinging, brazenly calling everybody and their mother scum, he has no strong scum reads? To me it looks like he is trying to look busy without actually doing anything.

Last, small part, has to do with meta. I looked at TL Mafia LI and LIII. He was town in the former and scum in the latter. I didn't find anything extremely telling, as he plays pretty similar as both town and scum.

There is one thing I noticed though. He was fond of using the old 'lol guys it's day 1 I have no reads' when he was scum, and it was nowhere to be seen when he was town.

Here's the links for your perusal
LI - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325046
LIII - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128


I ended up scrapping it because in his meta I saw he looked really scummy when playing both town and scum. The biggest thing I couldn't get over is that when he is scum, he is very forthcoming with his 'town reads' because he knows he is not wrong. I didn't really see that here. Maybe the smaller game set-up is making him more cautious at naming people town. Also, him accusing damn near everyone in the thread actually aligns more with his town meta.

I ended up leaning slightly town because of this.

I want to look more into how he has been treating grush. Everyone else thinking Risen is scum has me doubting my conclusion.

-s0L
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 05 2012 02:16 GMT
#604
grush, was kingdedede telling the truth about who he switched?
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 05 2012 02:16 GMT
#605
ebwop: in your opinion
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 05 2012 02:18 GMT
#607
it's a yes or no question
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 05 2012 08:28 GMT
#619
On July 05 2012 07:09 grush57 wrote:
Do you get notified if you are roleblocked?


On July 05 2012 07:10 Toadesstern wrote:
YES


On July 05 2012 15:59 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 07:18 kingdedede wrote:
Hold your horses. That was hilarious. Bus driving is fun. Drove from Cephiro to Risen.
On July 05 2012 01:03 kingdedede wrote:
Bad news everybody. I am taking a shipborne cruise.

shipborne cruise is an anagram for bus cephiro risen.

We bused between someone we thought was town (cephiro) and someone we had as null and probably not going to be targeted by any nastiness (risen). Full explanation will follow.


You're an idiot for not bussing onto someone you thought was scum. Also, I was roleblocked last night or I'm going to be seriously pissed at hosts.


It should be pretty obvious if you were roleblocked, Risen.
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 05 2012 10:46 GMT
#634
Cephiro I think you got it right.
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 05 2012 10:48 GMT
#636
"YOUR ABILITY DOESN'T TRIGGER WHEN BEING HIT BY A DK-ABILITY"

that's why Mr. Saturn is alive
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 05 2012 10:53 GMT
#642
I still want to lynch grush. I am totally fine with this: ##push iGrok.
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 05 2012 11:01 GMT
#645
remember to PM push choices to the hosts, don't think they count here. could be wrong though.

Cephiro, are you considering switching iGrok and Risen on the item stances?
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 05 2012 11:08 GMT
#649
Toad isn't around now, but I guess I'll ask anyway

Is DK's carry ability affected by the bus-driver?

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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 05 2012 11:13 GMT
#652
Risen, there is 5 people in your list above, yet you say 4 at the end. Do you include Cephiro in that list?
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 05 2012 11:14 GMT
#654
You must have missed the part where you and Cephiro were switched and you ate the scum KP. That means it was aimed at Cephiro.
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 05 2012 11:40 GMT
#664
The problem is that there is just about nothing in dedede's filter to support the theory that he is scum.
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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 05 2012 11:48 GMT
#668
Wait...you seriously think dedede and cephiro are the scum team?
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