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Cephiro
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 On a more serious note, I think now that the stage & item events are done, we should concentrate on whom to lynch, as we only have less than 24 hours to decide. I'm personally not sold on iGrok being scum just because that derp, since I do not believe it is something scum would have done on purpose. (I hope everyone can see why and I don't have to explain.) Adding the fact that lynching iGrok causes -1.5 Stock for Saturn too, I don't think he should be lynched today. And I still don't like Risen's reasoning for what he's been doing. Just causing more confusion, pretty much. | ||
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Cephiro
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On July 03 2012 07:34 iGrok wrote: Even if you think I'm scum, you shouldn't be lynching me tonight. You already know my role. Lynch me tomorrow when Saturn's going to shoot me, and find out someone's role today For all we know, Saturn could be dead by tomorrow. As lynch is -1.5 KP on top of role reveal, who are your top picks for lynch currently? Also, could you tell your reasoning behind picking Saturn? | ||
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Cephiro
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So why Talismania? According to what I've written up, his only notable actions are: 1) Following your plan, although possibly slightly reductantly 2) Offering to sit-out for the item (as he appareantly did as well) 3) Trying to metagame the setup None of these ring the scum bell for me yet. (I was slightly suspicious of number two first, as it could be seen from a scum perspective trying to avoid the ~1/6 chance of a fight and lose stock, and trying to look more pro-town by willingly sitting out, but since if everything had gone according to plan [you wouldn't have derped], no fight would have happened, so there would have been no risk.) I'd like to see Homerunbat & grush57 & talismania contribute / take part in the discussion more though. | ||
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Cephiro
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Not liking iGrok's lack of reasoning currently. grush is also an easy pick due to a very lurky playstyle up till now. I'll go to sleep soon, I won't place my vote until tomorrow, I want to see how things advance first. If you have questions to me before I go, ask now. | ||
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Cephiro
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There is however one interesting bit that stuck out to me slightly: On July 02 2012 20:03 HomerunBat wrote: I must admit, I have a hard time believing a bus driver being town-aligned, given the random (at least I assume so) distribution of alignment it is not out of the realm of possibility though. -Shiao He instantly stuck onto kingdedede's claim whereas everyone else seems to have mostly ignored it. (Or just acknowledged and moved on.) | ||
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Cephiro
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@Saturn, I'll give you my thoughts on HomerunBat again once I'm back, he'll hopefully have posted more by that. | ||
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Cephiro
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2 hours until lynch right? Sorry everyone for not being more active, but the issue had to be dealt with.. | ||
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Cephiro
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I'm not exactly fond of Homerunbat's play, as he seems to be trying to avoid pissing anyone off. Or that's how it looks like to me. Of course one can just be very polite by nature, but the way he words what he says doesn't sound very natural to me. He keeps up a discussion with Saturn, where he originally has Saturn as one of his scumreads. Afterward he agrees on lynching talismania fairly easily, but based on what? The larger post of him earlier doesn't cover enough reasoning to do that imo. His other choice I can't criticize because I admit that I wouldn't mind seeing our useless lurker lose some stock if that's the only way to get him talking. Rank: 6 Risen needs to die, seriously. He was bashing on iGrok's plan without proper reasoning (he accused iGrok's plan of being bad due to losing town stock, and about lack of information, but his own plan was worse in BOTH areas.) And what are his scumreads? The people who agreed with iGrok or defended him. Brilliant play if I say so myself. The way he jumps at Homerunbat after he defends iGrok's play makes me cry. He also clearly buddies with Saturn and tries to control his actions (and even succeeds to get Saturn to vote for the bat.) Rank: 8 ##Vote: Risen Grush is useless. Literally. He comes in, keeps changing his votes constantly and doesn't contribute at all. I just can't see a townie do this, and if he somehow is town, he needs to be waken up. A prime target for night actions that cause stock loss, or a lynch if you won't lynch Risen today. Rank: 7 talismania, you need to stop trying to crunch the setup and base your play on your meta-game against the host, you need to start playing the game the way it's supposed to be played and deciding your reads based on the actions of others. If you're not going to step up your play asap, I will push you for lynch. Rank: 4 My thoughts on dedede+Saturn to follow. I don't believe that I need to add more about my opinion on iGrok (Rank: 2), he's my strongest townread but he has to stop the retarded derping around. So please, concentrate and prove me I'm not wrong about you. | ||
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Cephiro
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Lower rank = Better. Ranking is based on the order I want people to lose stock in. This means that I may lean more scum on someone above Grush, but at the moment he is so useless and I have absolutely no read on him that I wouldn't mind seeing him lose some if it's the only way we'll get him to talk. If it goes to a MYLO/LYLO-situation I don't want him around since it's absolutely impossible to determine which alignment he is. | ||
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Cephiro
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If necessary I will move my vote from Risen to grush, but I do not agree with lynching talismania yet. | ||
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##Vote: Risen Now if they miss it I'll be damned. ~50 minutes till lynch right? | ||
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Cephiro
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Rank: 5 Kingdedede: The roleclaim at start seems quite honest to me, with the valid reasoning he gave. I am very interested in seeing how he is going to use it, given that he needs to keep his action secret from scum and only reveal his reasoning in the morning. I'm expecting his N1 action to tell a lot. What I don't like is that he is pushing for a mass claim. Certain roles claiming may be useful yes, but everyone claiming is better for scum than town imo. I like his provided reasoning for why he thinks iGrok is town, and I pretty much agree with it. I also like that he pointed out a minor contradiction in iGrok's play. (iGrok was against a mass claim, but wanted to lynch for role info earlier.) I'm slightly confused why he is pushing for talis lynch so hard without more/better reasoning though. Currently leaning slightly town, but I'm expecting to hear more from him soon, and very much looking forward to what he decides to do N1. Rank: 3 | ||
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Cephiro
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So if I understood right, the one with the most votes gets lynched, or do we need the majority (5 votes) for the lynch still? I will not be voting for anyone but Risen or grush57 today. | ||
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Cephiro
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On July 04 2012 06:41 Risen wrote: Saturn's claim of "not trusting himself" reads to me as either the emokid everyone should hate townie or scum trying to play like that. Don't know how you only have him at a 5. He would be at 6 otherwise, but at the moment your play smells scum the most according to my nose. And grush is completely useless. That leaves only homerunbat, and at the moment I consider one not trusting themselves less of a threat rather than one who is trying to not get in trouble with anyone. When he argues, he makes sure not to agitate anyone, and I don't see him really pressuring people so far either. Homerun, what do you think about dedede & Risen? | ||
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Cephiro
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Please elaborate, dear. Scum because I am making sure on how the lynch works, or scum because I won't vote for anyone but you or grush (my strongest scumread and the most useless player in the game)? | ||
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Cephiro
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##vote: grush57 Ensuring that no possible pikas kill talis today. | ||
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On July 04 2012 06:56 Risen wrote: Normally I wouldn't have a problem with you, but I feel like you're sticking to your guns on me b/c you want to appear like a dumb townie (look at me giving everyone the benefit of the doubt this game. See how it works? I don't think you're actually dumb, just trying to look dumb) Explain me what on earth in your game is pro-town so far? You bashed on a plan for the damage town would take and for the lack of information. Your own plan was much more likely to hurt town even more compared to scum than iGrok's, and your list-split would have given us absolutely no information at all. Basically, you called out someone's plan as anti-town due to 2 different reasons, but you suggest a plan that is even worse in these two categories. So your plan was even more anti-town according to your own criteria. Since then you've been flip-flopping between scum iGrok, scum Cephiro, scum Homerunbat, scum Talismania, scum grush. Either I'm fucking dumb and don't get it or your play is extremely anti-town. | ||
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On July 04 2012 07:00 Risen wrote: EBWOP: The fuck you cephiro should be taken in a humorous manner, not in a mean-spirited one. <3 Not only are you vote-switching like a true scum but you're toying with my emotions too. I'll make love to you once you hang! :p | ||
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