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marvellosity
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On June 25 2012 09:22 prplhz wrote: meh marv why do you give a shit what risk and prob say why don't you ask questions that make sense the point was that if several people had expressed a townread on arguably the strongest scumhunter in the game, then assuming he was both shot and saved isn't very much of a stretch | ||
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back to le drawing board. | ||
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On June 25 2012 19:49 prplhz wrote: If you guys read the thread then it should be pretty obvious that slOosh jailed me last night. Tried to find what you were talking about, did not. Care to enlighten? | ||
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On June 25 2012 08:58 slOosh wrote: Since there is finally some thread activity going on, I'll be happy to sit down and think carefully what the heck is going on. kinda irritating we never got to hear any more on this :/ | ||
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On June 25 2012 13:12 Probulous wrote: This is so annoying >< The only two people who mention the removal of SK as a possibility end up dying at the new deadline. The fact is, unless someone claims a night 1 vig shot, there is a SK. If either of these guys were alive, they would be pretty much guaranteed not to be the SK. Fate, why do you laugh at me  Don't understand this line of reasoning at all. Just seems completely naive. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 25 2012 18:21 xsksc wrote: Well, first of all - since my predecessor went AWOL and I don't know what his thought process was, I might as well answer this instead. I'll try to keep this short - I don't like rastaban's play on day 1. His case on risk was pure filler, and this early post definitely stood out to me. I don't like this at all. His opinion is extremely safe - he puts himself in a position where he could safely vote for Marv in the future, but he doesn't actually commit to anything. He doesn't really tell us anything, he just says marv COULD be scum. He also says he feels there's been "too much" discussion on the subject of Marv, but then he goes on to ask Marv some more questions, and he doesn't try to raise another subject, which completely contradicts what he just said. What I find more concerning though, is his vote switch to MrZ. Here he says MrZ is null, and wants to give him more time. So he continues to push his #1 scum-read, fair enough. This is his post between that and his vote-switch. So MrZ has gone from being null to LYNCH HIM, because he changed his mind (changing your mind =/= scum), and the absurd theory that he's scum or a blue because he didn't /out. If he's so sure about his scum-read on risk, he should ABSOLUTELY push it, instead of taking the easy out on MrZ. For reference, I think this is why MrZ changed his mind. + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2012 11:20 Zephirdd wrote: Holy shit. Look at pages 16 and 17. I just solved this game. VE, marv are both scum bussing the F* out of each other. When was the last time this happened? I remember someone saying it was an "OP strategy". Wasn't it Toad/VE doing it? I don't quite remember. Someone said LI, is that it? Either way, if one of them flips scum, I'm sure as hell attacking the other. I thought the initial "attacks" were terrible for both parties, but at this point this all feels fabricated to me. TLDR I don't like Rastaman's day 1 play, I think it's downright scummy. On June 24 2012 02:40 vonKlaust II wrote: Right now though, my best bet would be Mr.Z I think. I don't really know about Rasta yet, but I'll check his filter out for myself and get back with my thoughts. But for now: ##Unvote ##Vote: MrZentor On June 24 2012 02:56 vonKlaust II wrote: EBWOP: Voted for Marv without really saying why we should do it. It wasn't you but your predecessor was dodgy. Practically the first time he mentions zentor and it's his 'best bet', votes him, no reasoning given. Later on condemns Zentor for voting me without saying why. Hypocritical play. | ||
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Given you're around. What do you make of me? as slOosh died, what do you think of Probulous? | ||
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I'm making my town tell on his emotion to a null tell. He proved in LI he can get all 'emotional' as scum. Firstly I just can't get over the way he pushed me. On June 22 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Let's try and figure out a way to figure out if we're town right here and right now... :/ Because it's going to help me a lot if I can trust you. I now know you're a fucking beast as scum. What do you suggest? On June 22 2012 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote: This was his defense in LV, the Zim themed large we were just in. Marv DOMINATED that game as scum, and look at what his first act of the game was (upon replacing in)! It was using his "meta" as a personalized defense against my accusations. Look at his defense this game! Oddly enough, it's a personalized "meta" defense again! Marv, your response? Ok, so we've established he thinks I'm totes amazing scummer. It makes absolutely no sense to me how he thinks someone as good at scumplay as I am would get myself into this situation. xscsc summarised it quite nicely: On June 25 2012 22:17 xsksc wrote: Again, I'm gonna have to disagree with my predecessor here. People, including him, were pointing out that the way that you answered the question, and the argument following it, didn't make sense for a townie. However, it really doesn't make sense for scum either. Any remotely decent scum player is going to put 10x the thought into how they answer questions regarding their alignment and would never have answered that way, it draws wayyyyy too much negative attention, for no gain. I don't think you handled it the best way, but I think people need to realise that a bad play does not equal scum. This is the crux of it, and xcksc hasn't even seen my scumplay, but he understands. Yet VE who saw me trash town in LIV and LV as scum does not see it. On June 22 2012 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't underestimate you, which is why I know scumMarv wouldn't think twice about side-stepping the question. Take it as a compliment, not an affront. This doesn't add up. Clearly sidestepping Matt's question WAS NOT the correct scumplay. Just look at what's happened. There's a mental disconnect going on. On June 23 2012 00:21 VisceraEyes wrote: There are differences marv. For instance, townMarv is interested in finding scum. scumMarv is interested in lynching townies. Also, both townMarv and scumMarv are good enough to realize that I'm very obviously town in this game, so the fact that you're calling me "dodgy" still (not scummy, not scum, not suspicious, not suspect....."dodgy") just confirms that you're not interested in finding scum today. For that, you're gonna die friend. Sorry. *shrug* First paragraph is just trite, it says nothing. He's just explaining the wincon for a townie and scummer. I commented before on the 2nd part. Calling me out for finding him scummy, calling himself town. It's manipulative. On June 23 2012 07:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, honestly. Marvel is much better than this. He knows that me targeting him if he's town does not automatically make me scum. This is literally the DEFINITION of OMGUS. He literally just said "I know I'm town, so because VE is targeting me, he's scum" and has fabricated some kind of fantasy to justify calling me such. Marv is definitely my preference for lynch. He knows better. He's acting like he doesn't, but he does. When I accused him before, I wasn't calling him scum because I was town. I'd said I had the perspective of 100% knowing I was town that others did not. I simply did not say he was scum because he was accusing me. Twisted my words. On the day 1 lynch: Realising he's not gonna get me through, he turns his attention to Zentor. Subsequently: On June 24 2012 04:54 VisceraEyes wrote: risk do you think that scum only lurk? Because you're really only pushing people who aren't likely to push back. :/ Marv do your own meta research. I'm also feeling strange about the ease of this lynch. I also don't want to lynch Zentor. Can we lynch either risk or prpl? maybe Marv? This is where it all gets odd. He doesn't want to lynch Zentor, and lists 3 other people. Who doesn't he name? The other leading candidiate, rastaban. He is realistically the only alternative, but nothing. Compare - slOosh was trying really hard to get people to switch from Zentor to rastaban, but VE? nothing. Let's see if VE ever talks about rastaban: On June 23 2012 08:26 VisceraEyes wrote: @Snarfs Yeah, I'm null on rasta. He looks pretty townie to me too, but to be fair I've only skimmed the cases on him. I'll go read them in earnest and let you know what I think. This is it. Nothing else. He never lets us know what he thinks of the alternative lynch candidate, despite promising to, and despite saying he didn't want to lynch Zentor. It's a half-assed, not-real attempt. On June 24 2012 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually prpl, that post was good. I'm cool with a Zeph lynch if we can make that happen. Except VE never tries to make ANYTHING happen. He says this and disappears. I also feel like his pushing of prplhz is a sham. He came straight from LV where two townies pushed hard for a policy lynch on a player they disliked. He should know this isn't a scumtell. But it looks good to push someone on wanting a policy lynch like that, doesn't it? Conclusion: All his scumhunting is a sham. He knows and states I'm an excellent scum player, but somehow then thinks I would come into this game as scum and play scummily. He twists my words. He never talks about rastaban despite promising to, despite saying he didn't want to lynch Zentor and rastaban being the main alternative. In fact he never pushes any alternative. Pushes prplhz because it's an easy thing to do. I think VE is scum (or SK :D) | ||
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On June 26 2012 01:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Marvel's case boils down to...what? What is the main point you'd like me to answer for Marvel? Because it looks to me like a huge post just trying to justify voting for me. There's nothing scummy in there, there's nothing alignment indicative, it's all just a bunch of stuff that you're twisting to justify voting for me. so yeah, if there's a specific problem you'd like me to answer for, feel free to clearly ask me while I'm around - if not, then you're obvious scum trying to appear contributory. Not twisting anything. People will be able to see your behaviour around the lynch for themselves. | ||
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On June 23 2012 07:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, honestly. Marvel is much better than this. He knows that me targeting him if he's town does not automatically make me scum. This is literally the DEFINITION of OMGUS. He literally just said "I know I'm town, so because VE is targeting me, he's scum" and has fabricated some kind of fantasy to justify calling me such. Marv is definitely my preference for lynch. He knows better. He's acting like he doesn't, but he does. On June 26 2012 01:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Since Marvel has claimed scum by thinking I'm scum, everyone should be voting for Marvelosity. He clearly doesn't want to play, so let's oblige the poor chap shall we? Hilarious stuff. xsksc, I'd rather you read and commented my case rather than VE's trite responses to it. | ||
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