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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On June 22 2012 12:47 MrZentor wrote: It's still stupid to lynch somebody who you know to be a blue. Are you willfully not scumhunting? Is there nothing in this thread that you find suspicious? | ||
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Mattchew
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MrZentor
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On June 22 2012 12:55 MrZentor wrote: I'm not going to fabricate reads to try to convince you I'm town; I'll probably provide some analysis tomorrow when there's more to analyze. First clause is sensible. The second is nonsense. There is content to analyze - even though it is slow and not as "juicy" as you may like, we have to start somewhere, ideally not with a blind townie mislynch. We will hold you to a higher standard of posting, not only for your sake but for town (because no doubt scum may now use this bs "there is nothing to talk about so I just won't talk" excuse to lurk their hearts out). Rest assured, I will kill you all without remorse, so step up. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Prob, you take back what you said right now! | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On June 22 2012 13:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Mang, I've never seen this side of slOosh before. Prob, you take back what you said right now!  Sometimes you really confuse me. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
He seems useless to me, he seemed useless in iGrok's game and was town. I won't get in your way if you want to lynch him I just can't tell if he is scum or not right now. Convince me  | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On June 22 2012 08:24 Snarfs wrote: @prplhz: Zentor realized the errors in his ways and has attempted to correct them (see wbg's last game). Could you show me where you believe he is stifling discussion? PRPLHZ, answer his question or I will be extremely angry with you! | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On June 22 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote: I like this question a lot. I think there are a couple of possible tells. But tell me what you think first. I dislike this answer greatly. The entire reason I asked was because of how strong your scum play has been recently, and that seemingly no-one (especially in this game) could finger you as scum. I was looking for an answer that would leave me with things to hold you accountable for. Instead, you dodge the question completely. On June 22 2012 09:50 marvellosity wrote: I've quite clearly stated I am not, stop it. The similar thing, VE, is that I wasn't afraid of saying something that was scummy in that game. In this game, unless you underestimate me which I think you do not, you should be aware that I know making a sidestep to Mattchew's question could be viewed scummily, and I'd avoid it like the fucking plague if I were scum. I don't like your grasping at straws to use "im smarter than doing something so scummy" as a defense. If you knew it would look scummy, why would you do it? It serves no town purpose to act willfully scummy. On June 22 2012 10:57 MrZentor wrote: Anything I can do?  Off to another game making me not want to play with you again. Seriously you /outted which is why I stayed in this game ugh. On June 22 2012 11:09 MrZentor wrote: I don't see how you can find somebody so suspicious so early in the game. -.- I'll find scum when I have more content. Is this your first game? Cause only noobs who know nothing about hunting scum say shit like this. People find day 1 scum all the time. We have no counter-claim to his medic claim. I don't think we can lynch him yet because of this. I have seen recent posts about prpl.. i will read his filter and context now and post about that in a little bit | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia II My first game with prplhz. His play is much better these days, but this is a good illustration of what I mean when I say a good town player. Contributing, honest and willing to talk about things. Open with his suspicions, and reacts decently to pressure (ironically, I thought he was scum and tunneled him pretty bad.) Furthermore, I don't think prplhz is the type of player to bring a grudge like that between games. He's not that kind of player, and has been around long enough to know that's a losing strategy. He's putting on a show. I think so because look at how he reacts to my interaction with it. To be honest, I like my vote where it's at...I just don't want to stop scumhunting with marvel. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Just airing my thoughts - I could be totally wrong on the guy, I'm just giving my impression of his play so far. I don't like it. I'm not picking up any kind of agenda, or feel like he has more info than I do or anything. It's a gut meta read guy, nothing more to see than that. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
I will pop into the thread every now and then but I am afraid I am relying on you guys to pick up my slack for the next day or so. I'll be back to form on Monday. We aren't in a bad position with most people commenting on something and some nice back and forth. The guys who haven't posted need to make themselves heard. Good luck! | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
I'm actually interested in hearing marv explain exactly what his little shitstorm has revealed: On June 22 2012 10:24 marvellosity wrote: Depends what you classify as a mistake, really. I'm not really unhappy with the conversation it's caused. I'll call it a mistake if I get lynched, which shouldn't happen Apparently it's given him some useful information and I wouldn't mind hearing what exactly he thinks that is. For now, I'll reserve judgement. As for the question asked of marv itself, I'm not entirely sure I understood the purpose. Mattchew, you claim that you had hoped that marv would write down some things that he does as mafia so that you can hold him accountable, yet it just appears as though the most likely thing that will happen is, if marv is scum, he will become more cognisant of his flaws as mafia and be more likely to attempt to avoid them. It seems like you didn't fully think that question through. Just trying to fit in by posting stuff? slOosh, I'm not sure how you think me pointing out people not contributing to finding scum (i.e. doing scummy things), is, in itself, not contributing. zephir still hasn't commented on anything in the thread of importance and I may continue pestering him until he does. zephirdd: Let's just drop the "optimal play" argument until postgame and maybe reach a gentleman's agreement that for this game millers must claim by the 24 hour mark of day 1. We have seen this work in the past and this absolutely prevents mafia from trying to claim that a red check is due to them being a miller later on. As far as blue-sniping being a problem: Check out the last wbg mini. VE was a claimed miller and he played so damn townie that the scum team I was on had to shoot him over attempting a blue snipe. Moral: If you're a miller, claim then play a damn good town game. Now, thoughts on scum? | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
First, I agree with the Millers claim day one, and policy lynching all Millers after today. In a game where they are self aware it is a huge boon for town. The benefits far out way the negative of less people with possible blue roles. First and most importantly it guarantees our checks. Detectives know any red checks from non-mafia get lynched, since sanity isn't an issue in this game. Any Mafia will always claim miller if checked and we don't force a day 1 reveal. It will cause a lot of confusion, it is best to eliminate this by forcing day one claims. It also forces Mafia's hand, if they want to claim they have to do it now before they are in too much water. This is hard for mafia to do, they don't want to be scrutinized and that is why they claim miller as a last resort. While it is argued that Millers make it easier to snipe blues it also makes our blues more effective. Look at Bang Bang where I, as a doctor, pushed strongly for a miller claim night one. Second, the focus of Marv makes me think of karma after seeing him do it to Gonzaw in our last game together. We need to be careful with tunneling though, when you push someone so hard day1, they will often come across as scum no matter what since the only content you have is them trying to defend themselves against accusations. He could be scum but I just want to say that we need to be cautious, as I feel the case against him is a bit biased. Now his day 1 "meta" is to spam 1 liners so I personally wouldn't mind him getting lynched if there isn't a better candidate but I feel like there is too much discussion on him this early in our day. Remember we have 48 hours, half that time hasn't even passed yet so I don't like the band wagoning on Marv so quickly. That said I have a hard time getting anything from his filter right now. Some people analyze best when their quarry is under pressure but for me that introduces too many variables so I like to read posts where they aren't defending themselves. So marv would you mind answering the original question ( as leading as it may be) about what you feel are your tells, and second who do you feel is most likely scum? | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
In amongst the washing and doing dishes I have found some time to catch up on the thread which has a grand total of two new posts. Rastaban, nice to see you join the game with some sound logical advice. Now who is your top scum read and why? Actually, these people need to stop commenting and start contributing (ie stop telling me who isn't scum and tell who is) Snarfs Zephirdd Rastaban MrZentor Mattchew Prplhz risk.nuke marvel and the other lurkers who haven't posted anything (Shraft and von Klaust II). I hate to be a prick about it but we need reads. Stop playing nice and get your hands dirty  PS if I missed you don't take it personally. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 22 2012 16:46 rastaban wrote: Now his day 1 "meta" is to spam 1 liners so I personally wouldn't mind him getting lynched if there isn't a better candidate What an exceptionally stupid thing to say, well done. | ||
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risk.nuke
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