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On June 27 2012 10:54 Twelve wrote: What if 1 and 2 got together and... oh i see where this is going... bowchickawowow | ||
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I vote we start this game off by lynching one of them, because getting a solid read on any one of them is rather difficult. This list has been generated based on my experience with them in previous games, which means at worst, we've got a 22% chance of hitting scum. And if not, I don't want them in my town at lylo anyways. Who's with me? | ||
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@kurumi: I wear these goggles because they make me look awesome. | ||
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Maybe I should be asking 12. Looks like he knows what's going on. | ||
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Who we voting for. | ||
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##vote:foxtrotter hmph. | ||
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Unfortunately, it's too late for me to inject any reason into this thread, and save this scrubs life, so I'm going to let the town lynch him. Then, tomorrow, I'm going to go through the last 34 pages and find out exactly why he was lynched. P.S.: The right answer to the question that I asked you above was "Foxtrotter, because he's scum". | ||
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Off to dinner! I'll post a full report on all the things that happened over the last two days sometime tomorrow. | ||
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But, I'm still trying to work through his pushing of the Foxtrotter lynch. They were both town, so what does that mean? Did he really abandon his scum read just to blend in? Is that the secret to the chaos he pushed in thread? Why wouldn't he simply stick to his guns and push the townie who was so close to being lynched? I've got most of my case against ET written, but I'm still trying to reconcile that last little bit. | ||
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Quote from How I Met Your Mother, 8pm Eastern, only on CBS. | ||
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You guys make me sad. DrWiggles, what do you think about ET? | ||
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I'd ask Katina what she thinks, but we all know she's already gone. Also, Happy Birthday! jogging, brb. | ||
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I have consulted the oracle, and she has given me a name: EchelonTee At no point did anyone say ghost wtf Listen to me for a moment. I actually had a plan for this game. My goal was to divorce myself as completely as possible from Day 1, then come back and analyze the aftermath. In my experience reading games, and subbing in, this has worked with good effect. While you're in the thread, fighting for or against the town, you can lose sight of the bigger picture of what's going on in the game. By avoiding this, more or less completely, you can allow yourself to come back as an impartial observer and properly identify what's going on in the thread. My observations have lead me to believe this: EchelonTee is not town. The first clue to his alignment comes hidden in posts like this: On July 01 2012 03:45 EchelonTee wrote: Bke is a classic d1 lynch; hard to clearly read, an active poster with strange accusations and minor breaches in logic that show only slight scumminess, but a lot of people jump on anyways. his opening post was strange, but it's not nearly as conclusive as other opening scum posts have been in the past (zealos, macpo). I find his posting scummish, but not conclusive enough for a d1 lynch, and very low on info to boot. BM would be informative, mK would be accurate. Putting on my vote for mK. Hi adam. Notice how he carefully avoids taking a stance on the BKE lynch here. "Bke is a classic d1 lynch;", "not nearly as conclusive as other opening scum posts", "I find his posting scummish, but not conclusive". Just look at that last quote: It doesn't matter if BKE flipped town or scum, ET can say he called it right. This is a wishy-washy post carefully designed to avoid communicating anything whatsoever. Next comes his pushing of the MK lynch. If you look back closely at his filter, you find him saying stuff like this: On July 01 2012 18:13 EchelonTee wrote: It's been 18 hours since I posted my minuscule case on mKmKmK; unless he has some egregious personal emergency, he doesn't want to answer me or is simply not reading the game. No excuse like "oh I was at work" flies here; it's been plenty of time. People no doubt are going to say "oh he's just a lurker, I can't really tell from such few posts"; this feels obvious as hell to me. As obvious as Gambit and Maju were in TL LV. Just, really fn obvious scum. Any disagreements? Followed by stuff like this: On July 02 2012 06:31 EchelonTee wrote: Mattchew, adam, ve, katina; is the mK lynch good to you? Something feels a bit fishy; I need reassurance or a cold slap in the face. We narrowly have time for a mass switch; only other option I see as feasible and good is a BM lynch. And this: On July 02 2012 06:45 EchelonTee wrote: Mostly, solstice and foxtrot and grush's vote bumps all feel weird; not calling all three scum per se, but as toad put it once, I don't like the people sitting on this lynch. Bke couldve easily been bumped up if it was mk scum bke town, so I don't know if mk is a misread, or if I'm paranoid or what. Where is everyone? Where is ghost's vote lol???? We go here from "Just, really fn obvious scum" to "Something feels a bit fishy" to the final quote, where he says he doesn't like the lynch because of the other people voting for it. Was it MK's excellent defense of his points against him that swayed his opinion? Nope. This entire time, MK hasn't posted at all, which is why ET thought he was scum in the first place. But, what really got me in the end, was his involvement in the lynch of Foxtrotter. On July 02 2012 06:26 EchelonTee wrote: Foxtrot and kthez look bad. On July 02 2012 06:45 EchelonTee wrote: Mostly, solstice and foxtrot and grush's vote bumps all feel weird; not calling all three scum per se, but as toad put it once, I don't like the people sitting on this lynch. Bke couldve easily been bumped up if it was mk scum bke town, so I don't know if mk is a misread, or if I'm paranoid or what. Where is everyone? Where is ghost's vote lol???? On July 02 2012 08:36 EchelonTee wrote: Grush also looks ballz bad I'm sticking with an mk lynch. If he flips town, fox is on deathbed. Godspeed town. It must have been all of Fox's post inbetween those posts that convinced ET he's scum. Suddenly, On July 02 2012 08:43 EchelonTee wrote: Alright screw it all Mk hasn't voted, not playing at all. In my exp, a scum team wouldve been like omfgbbq Vote ffs Ft has done a vote and looks bad by same standards. Reminds me of cccalf from soaf, gambit from tl lv Manmode super balls switch engage Switch to ft nowwwwwww Check his filter, these are all of his posts on Fox before getting down and dirty pushing his lynch. It's really kind of amazing. I'm still not exactly sure what to make of his switch. Why would scum switch from one townie to another? The only real answer to that that I can come up with would be to push him tomorrow should he show up. This question is the only thing that's keeping me from shooting him tonight. ##bang bang: bill murray | ||
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Dindin time! | ||
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On July 03 2012 12:32 Hyaach wrote: I've actually stayed out of the mud sling last night and maintain a clear view. If you want a case, I'll do one. is particularly atrocious. "If you want a case..."? We have to ask you for a case? Aren't you supposed to be finding and lynching scum? I hate this post. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 02 2012 17:50 EchelonTee wrote: What about mandalor, acro/VE/BM, Katina, casualman? Did you forget all of these other cases and back and forths? You're being short sighted and extremely critical of town while ignoring a lot of the rest of the day, and acting as though town did something god awful stupid while you were not a big part of the proceedings at all. "I'd like to throw suspicion on those who are actively throwing suspicion onto others." This is the most ironic statement I have ever read. There was a considerable amount of resistance against the mkmkmk lynch (multiple people saying they only viewed mk as a lurker lynch, multiple saying they had a townish read on him); if you're critizing this mislynch as no one defending it, how is mkmkmk such a terrible lynch? I feel like you haven't even been keeping up with the game at all. mkmkmk was in the lead for votes and there was little to no chance that bke was going to be lynched; the mass switch to foxtrot, at least in my personal case, was done because foxtrot seemed more likely to be scum. Hindsight is 20/20 yo. While true that the foxtrot wagon should be looked at, while we don't know the alignments of mkmkmk/BKE, it's weird to make these weird conclusions like "pushing mkmk is scummy". I have an awful feeling that VE is scum, but we all know how that game goes... Everyone is absent now, what gives? While there isn't the normal assortment of old-time vets, there are numerous competant new players that I've witnessed first hand taking control of a game to help push town forward. At the moment the number of players that have been actually pushing town discussion continuously I can count on one hand, which is extremely troubling for this game. DrW never really said anything about ET in his post, yet ET dedicates his longest post in the game thus far at countering DrW's post. It's very curious. The last thing that I want to do is tunnel a townie all day long if my scum-dar is completely off. I'll be keeping a close eye on ET to see what he does, especially this cycle. | ||
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On July 03 2012 23:11 EchelonTee wrote: Is this sarcasm? I touched on your other points as well, ghost. I saw that. Still waiting for your reads. | ||
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On July 04 2012 06:24 Mandalor wrote: Vivax and Katina look interesting. What do you guys think of ghost? He was the last to vote for Fox, begged for people to tell him what to vote for and then jumped on the wagon. He made a long post on ET (who I think is town) and then badaboombadabang said he'd vote for BM (he didn't). Other than analysing ET there is no contribution on his part. Pretty sure he's scum. Anyone agree? Fuckin LOL. I didn't vote for BM, I shot him. Catching up, brb. | ||
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B) I've been looking through Vivax's filter all day, and it strikes me as much more newbie town than newbie scum. Your point about the weird association with BM doesn't really prove his alignment one way or another. | ||
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@VE: There's no question that casualman is playing a terrible game, but I'm reading shitty town rather than scum. Scum should be trying to accomplish something with their posting, and I can't find any agenda behind what he says. It's empty. I'd do a dance if he got shot tonight, but I think right now it's a waste of a lynch. Concerning ET, I still find him scummy due to everything I posted on him earlier. I haven't been pushing that at all since he's been completely gone from the thread. I want him to respond to what I asked him earlier before I lynch him. @NSH: Katina's case on casualman is terrible. She's right, he is a shitty poster, and maybe her vote on him will convince him to finally put some energy into this game. Other than that, it's just bad. However, she actually has some good insight into Mandalor and Hyaach. I'm not inclined to lynch her at the moment. I'm still trying to clear my head and figure out what's going on in this game. I think it's time to go back to the spreadsheet and see what's going on there. More thoughts in a bit. | ||
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That and all the stuff Acro said. ##vote twelve I want to hear why he thinks we should be lynching casualman. His filter doesn't really give a good reason for it. I want to hear Katina's thoughts on Twelve. Also, where's Majujuju been? He dropped in, voted 12 and has been gone ever since. | ||
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Lynch Vivax. I'll just leave this here. On July 04 2012 18:19 Vivax wrote: Lynch twelve or katina. I think Shiao has posted enough to be estimated better once the two of them flip. Katina ignoring so many scummy players to suspect Adam is just ridiculous. I think I've found something to Adam's defense. So much for Adam. Alright. The other candidate for her and twelve is casualman. Obviously a troll and an easy target. I don't think he's mafia, but he sure could be an asset to them. I don't care if we lynch Katina or twelve for now. ET going silent stinks, too. He found a good reason to push a townie case cause of the kenpachi rule. No safer way for scum to cause a mislynch by promoting a policy lynch. Also, for an experienced player, he should be posting more as townie. The proper answer to whether or not Adam is scum is "I don't know because he's been gone since Day 1", not "Bill Murray said he's scum so he must be town". Combining this with the Bill Murray shenanigans he pulled yesterday in the thread, and I'd say this is as good a place as any to start looking for scum. | ||
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Now you think that that proves that Mattchew is scum? Wut? | ||
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Fun fact: Adam voted Mandalor Day 1. Not sure what to make of that. Another filter I have to dig through. | ||
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When I get a chance, I'm going to look back through the vote switches. Austin had a lot to say about that, and I think we should be spending more time analyzing them. | ||
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On July 06 2012 23:36 Mandalor wrote: huh? what do you mean by town reads? People I view as town, people that turned out as town or people you think are town? I suspected BKE, Katina, MattChew and Twelve to be scum. Might be missing someone. Nothing has changed for Twelve in my eyes and I'll probably vote for him again. I've read your filter. You've fought plenty with Mattchew, but you haven't given any reasons as to why you think he's scum. I'd love to hear what you have to say. | ||
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@grush: I would also like to know who you want to off. @kurumi: Give me a bit to think about what you have to say. | ||
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Regardless, VE brings up a good point. We should deal with the scum in front of us before we start lynching into the insane players in this game. You say that you questioned your read on BKE. Does that mean you're thinking null or scum now? Still crossing my fingers for a mad hatter in this game. | ||
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You're all over the place with your read on BKE. You think he's scum or not? | ||
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Overall, I agree with what Kurumi had to day. He's right, BKE has been inconsistent with his position on casualman (another player I'm praying gets hit with a bomb). I'm just having trouble agreeing with that final point. I have no idea why. Also, BKE's absence today is kind of strange. Still not sure what to make of that. I'm going to spend some more time thinking about this. FYI, I'm going to be gone most of tomorrow. I won't be here even close to the deadline. Tomorrow morning (East Coast timezone), I should be able to be on for a bit. I'll cast my vote at that point, and then I'm off! | ||
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On July 07 2012 09:22 Hyaach wrote: Guys. I'm DT. BKE is town(n1). Katina is scum(n2). I have to work today 12 hours so im kinda afk -_- I don't know what to make of that. brb, reading hyaach's filter. Side note, if he is in fact the DT, i see no reason to doubt his claims. Scum Katina makes sense, and I doubt there are two GFs in this game. | ||
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I agree NSH; Hyaach's claim doesn't make any sense if he was scum. His checks make sense. I can totally buy a scum Katina in this game. ##vote katina | ||
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Kind of interested in your logic here, Kurumi. Care to enlighten us? | ||
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##vote Twelve | ||
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@acro: I had him marked down as scum on my spreadsheet, but I'm reconsidering. Rereading what he posted, it seems that he honestly wants to figure out what's going on in this game (at least early on in the game). He recently rolled scum in Basterd Mafia 2, so I'm going to have to go back and reread that at some point to see how he plays scum. Right now, I'm thinking he's a townie with too little thread presence. | ||
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@acro: AFAIK, he hasn't played any games as scum. I don't think we can really make too much out of Katina's connections. She's not a great scum player, but she's not bad by any stretch of the imagination. I would think long and hard before using any of her reads to figure out alignments. But, you're right, that coherent Katina post is kinda damning. NSH brought that to attention a while ago, and I agree with him on that account. I'm still trying to make sense of casualman. @CM: y u vote VE? | ||
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I've looked back at those posts that I thought were pro-town, and I can't really find them. Maju's been playing scummy all game, and I don't think that's because he's a lazy townie. He seems to post posts that are mildly insightful, and then just kind of drop them. His earlier posting was not terribad, later posting is Interestingly, none of the better lynched townies said anything substantial of Maju. There are almost no references to him in the filters of NSH, austinmcc, marv, or even s0lstice. Almost nothing. This guy has been lurking like a boss all game long. I vote we rip him out of the shadows and see what's going on. | ||
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I'm not ready to lynch him (although delurking like that is rather... curious), but I really want to see him in the spotlight a bit. He's flown perfectly under the radar all game. Also, I never called you scum. | ||
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I'm off to housechurch, I might be back late, but I expect I'll be dead tonight. If that's the case, gl town. If not, hurrah! brb | ||
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No... What? No... What? No... | ||
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Also, gg! | ||
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this was not the thread i was looking for. | ||
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