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@casualman: this is not going away
On July 12 2012 17:16 Acrofales wrote:Oh, one more thing: @casualman:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 11:19 casualman wrote:
also, i reiterate that ve and acro are scum.
i might make a post day 3 if i feel assed to. Make that damned case already, it's 2 days overdue.
At the rest of town: I know now is a pretty bad time to propose a policy lynch on this guy, but his actions all game have been retarded and I hate that this kind of play is tolerated in TL Mafia. It's a coinflip lynch and I feel both grush and maju have a greater chance of flipping scum atm, but it just galls me to leave this guy be.
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On July 14 2012 00:32 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 22:15 Vivax wrote:
I understand Acro's concern. Tbh I'd love to lynch them all at once. Maju for actively lurking so obviously that it hurts. Grush for defending scum and being grush. Casualman for playing like an asshat and voting VE constantly without reason.
Hell, I'd even throw a dice to decide between these, but it's hardly possible so I'll go with the most readable one cause I feel it's safer lynching based on reads than on coinflips. now i'm naked, nothing but an animal but can you fake it, for just one more show and what do you want, i want to change and what have you got when you feel the same
I can translate this: it says "I am scum. Please lynch me!"
I for one am happy to oblige. Who else wants to lynch grush?
PS. Yeah, the thing about casualman was more venting about his shitty filter. I honestly think even grush has contributed more... at least grush has contributed enough to look scummy! Lets lynch!!!
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Your case is good. I think there's some really questionable activity going on. I just have a theory that is somewhat based on what you said about the lack of resistance. It's a rather shoddy theory based on a large amount of wifom, but here goes. The main conclusion is that grush is almost certainly scum, whereas Maju is only probable scum.
Your question got me thinking about the lack of resistance, so I went back to the voting history and found that there was a lot of discussion of how grush is scum, but no actual votes:
+ Show Spoiler [night posts about grush] +On July 11 2012 19:52 Vivax wrote:The credit for this mislynch goes to katina for defending Twelve. Looked a bit through the filters: - casualman asked for a VE lynch all the time. Katina kept asking for a vote on casu, katina also defended twelve. So I'd expect casu to be a possible scum member too, since katina's actions were one-way-WIFOMS imo. Defending town, attacking scum. - maju posted a case against katina when she was already set to be lynched. Maju is the type of guy who doesn't troll, keeps activity to a minimum, and doesn't post game changing information at timings where it would matter. He's more readable than grush and casualman cause he doesn't write derp things, but his play fits a scum role with what I could gain. - grushs readable posts: Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 01:57 grush57 wrote:
I have to agree. Atleast BM isn't going full retard like casualman. Casualman doesn't want to play and is just being plain stupid. Plus, he is by far playing the most scummiest so far.
Also, he voted for 5 townies and then katina before re-voting twelve. It was impossible to save katina from that claim, so there's been scum voting for her 100%. Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 01:54 grush57 wrote:
No one claimed getting roleblocked, Katina has been getting pressured a lot, so there IS a good chance he got framed. grush defended katina + bm so far. Right now I'd go for grush, then maju. Btw, WHO HAS BEEN ROLEBLOCKED before katina died? We indeed had noone claiming a RB yet. On July 12 2012 00:08 Acrofales wrote:Ghost, you seem to think Grush is a town troll? The most salient mention of grush in your filter seems to be: Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 08:13 ghost_403 wrote:
@NSH: AFAIK, grush hasn't actually played any games as scum. He trolls a lot no matter what. I would think he would troll less if he rolled scum. He seems to be trolling more this game. We'll have to keep an eye on him.
Do you still think that? Why? If you think Grush is town, then who do you think we should lynch tomorrow? For the record, did you find any scum games by Grush? He was town in Bastard 2 and Space Station as well. Really hard to meta game him. I still want to lynch grush based on these things: Item 1Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 01:54 grush57 wrote:
No one claimed getting roleblocked, Katina has been getting pressured a lot, so there IS a good chance he got framed. NSH says he was trapping for this: a scum who knew more about the roles than he should. It could equally well be speculation, but it definitely IS a defense of Katina. Item 2Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 11:11 Katina wrote:On July 07 2012 11:01 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 07 2012 10:57 Katina wrote:On July 07 2012 10:52 Hyaach wrote:
u defend bm day one. added post after mkmk lyncht make it seem like you care. add on cases where the ebtire towns are divides in half. bke is my green check too. makes me suspect u even nore. cman is a troll and i dont know what to make of mandanlor and myself? lol. I do care.. The town is just about always half divided. BKE is green on your supposed "check" So trolls can't be Mafia? I find it interesting that you would let a troll live over someone who is posting their reads and trying to help the town find Mafia. You don't know what to make of yourself? Interesting. I would imagine you would have some idea by now. You never answered why you completely ignore grush the troll but not casualman the troll. What separates the trolls? What seperates them is that grush has posts where he actually says something. While casualman goes in active for almost the whole game and pops in to insult people or say "let's lynch this guy!!" I admit I have overlooked grush and a few other people this game. There have been others I can get an actual read on and casualman is just too bad and getting ignored too much to be true. Honestly, if Grush is town I see no reason for Katina to defend him like this, except very very maybe to be able to say post-hoc "I told you so". Trying to make sense of connections to Katina is hard, though. She fingered Adam as town, but she fingered Twelve and ShiaoPi as town too. We've already screwed up on Twelve and would probably have screwed up with ShiaoPi too if Hyaach's green check hadn't cleared him. As for casualman? I've got even less of a read on him. It's pathetic really. On July 12 2012 00:32 Kurumi wrote:
I dislike casualman because of my gut related to RoL's play in one of the games (he was feigning AFK while being Mafia Poisoner, voted 2 minutes before the deadline and avoided lynch that way because everyone thought that he was going to get modkilled...) and the "what would host do" WIFOM and he never voted Katina. His vote was on VE for like two or three days now.
But oh well. I think grush will flip scum. Defended confirmed scum, defended by confirmed scum, reluctant to vote scum, nothing of substance in his play, we know he is around but doesn't contribute. I know where my vote goes tomorrow. On July 12 2012 00:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Same, grush is the scums, he's got my vote tomorrow. On July 12 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Coin-flippy is better now - can't keep coin-flippy alive at lylo.
I want to lynch into Grush/Casual tomorrow. Neither of them are to be alive at LYLO. If we're beyond that point and they're both town, we lose. Simple as that.
Most of this is before Maju decided to play his horribly obvious active lurking trick on us, but still. The people who are active and posting in this thread all voiced their opinions to kill Grush.
Vivax kinda changed his opinion after Maju's action, but the rest never changed. Along roles day and suddenly everybody wants to kill Maju.
This got me thinking more about the reluctance to follow through on the grush kill than on the maju switch. Ghost was the one to suggest we lynch Maju and ShiaoPi followed through on it. A confirmed (dead) townie and someone with a green check on him. I am willing to believe the initial push on Maju was town, but I can't help but feel there was some scum in helping it along and moving the suspicion off grush.
This could have two reasons:
1. They're both scum, but with grush being one of the first to vote majuju he'd gain some town credit.
2. Grush is scum and Maju is town and scum is pushing a mislynch on majuju.
However, it could be for a third reason: Maju is scum, Grush is who knows what and scum is shit scared of acting to defend their buddy, because it's highly unlikely it'll help much anyway. If we look at the Katina lynch, the two most avid defender of Katina was Twelve and he flipped town, so fuck knows what scum is doing this game.
Of course, all of this is highly speculative, which is why I didn't actually want to post it, because it's a useless case. However, you wanted to know why I'm voting grush? It's because I feel the chance is larger that grush is scum than maju based on my gut feeling about how the game is playing out.
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Hrmm. I just took a look at the votecount and casualman has not yet voted. If he doesn't vote, then he'll get modkilled. That would be REALLY bad if he's town, because that would make today lylo.
We need to take that into account, so Vivax, make up your mind and don't fucking flip a coin because I will revive ghost to shoot you in the face.
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Okay, I'm throwing a party. First guests should be arriving soon. I like my vote on grush.
Now is the kind of time I wish the HTML blink tag worked on TL:
CASUALMAN, GET BACK HERE AND VOTE
unless you're scum, then please do us all a favour and get modkilled
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Damn. I was really hoping casualman wouldn't fuck it up this badly.
Anyway, the last day was rather hilarious. Scum pushing for killing their scumbuddy and all town wanted to do was kill their town friend. We really really tried to bus grush too. Why you no listen?
Anyway, I'm drunk and going to bed. GG scumteam!!!
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K, I read over the observer QT. The Kurumi-approach was very interesting. I was very careful to make sure I mentioned my fellow mafia members when appropriate and I'm glad to see that that was very necessary.
I'm glad nobody noticed my GIGANTIC scum slip. I may have snuck by because it got posted by kingdedede instead of my main account, but here it is:
On July 06 2012 08:23 kingdedede wrote:
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Grush: I probably shouldn't be transferring reads from one game to another, but I think he's scum in SSB and I think he's playing the exact same style in this game... a sort of trolly lurker style. I like the lynch.
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At the time I posted this it was fairly innocent and I thought it was decent, but I completely forgot that I was just ACTING townie in SSB and was actually scum. That game ended way sooner than this one and the kingdedede+cephiro scumteam won the game. If anybody who had looked at that game had stumbled upon this post it should've set massive red flags off:
1. I was scum in SSB, so KNEW grush was town. But, here I was saying grush looked like scum in that game, which I knew to be a blatant lie.
2. If I was lying about grush's alignment in SSB to make a case here, it must be with an agenda. An agenda to get someone lynched based on a lie is a scum agenda.
I made the post and went to get ready for bed... as I was brushing my teeth I realized the giant blunder I had made, rushed back to the computer but there wasn't really anything I could do except pray it went unnoticed  I then saw that I had made the post on kingdedede and crossed my thumbs for it getting snowed under before anybody paid any attention to it.
Other than this rather big derp, I am quite happy with my play.
Reasoning for nightkills:
N1: marv replaced in for a complete inactive and in about 10 hours of game he created a happy town atmosphere. Yes, he led a mislynch, but he was active, incredibly townie and whipping town into shape. He just plain HAD to die. Rastaban was a (failed) blue snipe and s0lstice impressed us with his reads. At that point Mattchew did not yet look like he was playing very actively and Bugs had spent D1 trolling.
N2: Bugs stopped trolling and got rather dangerous, austinmcc was making dangerous amounts of sense. The medic on Bugs was fairly obvious in retrospect, but this also confirmed the presence of a medic to us.
N3: I wasn't there, but I think the idea was that the medic would be on the DT, so kurumi aimed at dangerous townies. We got lucky that Mattchew was the medic. I won't speak for the others, but I didn't have him pegged as blue.
N4: with the medic out of the way we could easily take out the DT. It was also time to start murdering confirmed townies.
What is going to happen with layabout? I have played with him before and never found him rude, but his behaviour N1 was, imho, really unacceptable. It's just so strange: was his account hacked or something?
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Well, you still have to use the night kills to take out the people who ARE making sense, but I agree that I felt the game was won when Mattchew flipped medic.
All the large normals recently feel somewhat similar. It might be time to discuss the policy for setting up these games. I don't have any suggestions, though (I've been thinking about it, but it's a hard problem).
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On July 15 2012 07:45 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 07:08 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 15 2012 02:02 grush57 wrote:GG. Thanks for hosting, awesome flavor. On July 14 2012 07:48 Mandalor wrote:I'll stick with Maju. Kurumi, grush and casualman are really really annoying people as well. If there's no rule against dumb posting I forsee mafia games filled with trolls in the future  I had to play my town meta so I wouldn't get lynched while not helping the town, hence lurking. You weren't playing your town meta and anyone who defended you on that basis wasn't reading the thread. No offense to the scumteam, but this was (like most normals recently) firmly a town loss, not really a scum win. When no one in the game has correct reads and the only people attacking scum are scum themselves, you can do whatever you want as scum and win. I've done that myself as scum. Town loss is a scum win nonetheless. You're correct that town was the only reason we won, but please : we probably could get away with noone dying if not the Adam modkill, BM kill for being BM and Katina check.
To be fair, Katina got checked because she was acting suspicious. It was a good check (and BKE and ShiaoPi were good checks too). BM getting shot was very predictable and a large factor in why I decided to distance (rather strongly) on D1.
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On July 15 2012 08:20 Vivax wrote:
Once Acro and Kurumi made that gambit defending a townie from a mislynch (which was quite a gamble), they had a bulletproof defense for lategame. At least for me, since I would never see scum renouncing on a mislynch.
The only remaining options in lategame were maju and grush. Maju didn't even bother defending himself, everyone on the scumteam was pointing to grush, making him actually look less suspicious. This was quite nice play by scum, so I wouldn't take credit away from the scumteam, although they had casualman casting a lot of doubt at that stage of the game.
You're doing it again: unless you weren't actually sharing your reads, you (nor anybody else really) had much suspicion of kurumi or myself. Therefore there was no way you could find grush less suspicious based on our votes. If grush had flipped red, THEN our push against him would've been a good bus.
@austinmcc: are you talking about my switch off twelve? I thought my explanation was quite good. I mean... I backed off vivax for the exact same reason. I actually thought that through and figured that ignoring vivax would incriminate me slightly more than following a player I had marked as scum. I have to say that I would almost certainly play the same as town: if someone brings up a solid argument for why my scum target is town, I will take that argument into account regardless of my convictions about that player. Especially if it's the same argument I brought up earlier in defense of that player.
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I hope to god you're being sarcastic.
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On July 16 2012 04:25 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 04:24 marvellosity wrote:
don't think grush won coz he was a douchebag actually How?
He means it sarcastically, saying layabout was a douchebag, not you.
That said, layabout, I have played with you before and you've played perfectly normally and been civil, also to scum. I was playing a perfectly normal game and all I did was pressure you. Telling me to
On July 03 2012 01:07 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 01:05 Acrofales wrote:Hi layabout. Glad to see you contributing to this town! Mind explaining your behaviour? Here's a reminder: On July 02 2012 02:59 Acrofales wrote:I had a "leaning town" in my notes for you, but upon revising I'm not sure why. Maybe because of your first post. However, I just went through your filter and I don't get it. + Show Spoiler [casualman is town] +On June 30 2012 23:31 layabout wrote:casual is probably town because he broke the rules. His vote make me sick to my stomach. He has some explaining to do. Hyaach need to stop sitting on his ass waiting for someone else to make a case and do something. I don't get this: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 15:31 Hyaach wrote:
hi town my second big mafia. Please don't shit it up with spam.
i can't handle that.
Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 23:18 Hyaach wrote:
I'm against lynching Kurumi. Don't know about policy lynch but detective pinkie pie from bastard mafia came to mind here. I cannot give a judgement worth anything about him at this time. This post indicates a slight town read on casualman. Yet he is now ready to lynch him. It also voices slight suspicion of Hyaach, yet he never follows up on it. Hyaach has done very little since layabout made this post, yet layabout never says anything about it. + Show Spoiler [casualman is retarded] +On July 01 2012 06:28 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 06:27 Vivax wrote:
Guys, look at the voting thread. Casualman just voted for himself. That's his phase 2. He can't have done that. That would be retarded. I'll say it again: we don't lynch retards, we lynch scum. You want retards dead? Do them the favour of shooting them in the face rather than wasting lynches on it. Then comes his vote on casualman and accusing me of throwing my vote away. In short: 1. wants to lynch retards he has a slight scumread on 2. doesn't follow up pressure. 3. accuses people of throwing away their votes, then does the same. In closing: yes, layabout, I'm starting to think you're scum. Thank you for making me take another look at your filter! Do you still think BKE is scum? What is your opinion on drwiggles and the general goings on tonight? suck my dick
is shit and you know it.
My post was perfectly civil and if you can't stand a bit of pressure from other players you should probably stop playing mafia.
Your behaviour was not only rude, it screwed over town. Honestly, you getting modkilled for being a douche suited me and the rest of the scumteam just fine.
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On July 16 2012 05:44 layabout wrote:So what? It may say "please be civil" but games in which people stick to that are a very rare thing. It also says "play to win" but that still gets ignored by a substantial number of players.
So why flip out at me? I was being civil AND playing to win.
If you get so frustrated that you feel compelled to make a post, then large games might just not be for you and you should stick to minis. This is completely separate from my earlier post where I feel something needs to be done about the level of trolling/lurking in the large size games.
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Eh, I don't deserve the credit. I also got quite lucky with being absent for Katina's red check. Knowing myself I would probably have pounced on it and thrown Katina in front of a bus (hard), but can't say for sure how it would've looked. I feel that was probably the defining moment for this game and Kurumi handled it well. His NKs also outwifom'd the medic, which clearly helped a ton.
@s0lstice: I think my play was better in SSB. There we actively disrupted town reads, whereas here we just sorta allowed town to run rampant and do whatever the hell they wanted, because we were never really in any danger (except for the DT check, and that got neutralized through equal parts of Kurumi's good intuition for the NKs and luck).
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