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On July 11 2012 06:39 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 06:33 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Kurumi: What are your reads now? Since your posting got readable I haven't seen any effort to make an accusation besides me and casual (who you now think is innocent). Also, WTH did you crumb?, I doubt that there are anymore blues, which leads me to believe you lied about that. No mad hatter? Also, I don't think there is any point in giving additional reads.. my reads all game have been completely wrong (not a definition of scum btw). I still am fairly sure that Grush is mafia, or doesnt give two shits about town winning, so I'd vote for him twice if i could.
Wait, are you a Kurumi smurf? O,O
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EBWOP: Of course not! Twelve answering for Kurumi could be a mafia slip...
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On July 11 2012 08:59 Vivax wrote:
@ Acro
Really? Don't you remember the moment you and Kurumi saved twelve from getting lynched when you switched your vote to ET along with me?
Please tell me which scum player would prefer one mislynch only over a mislynch and a modkill of two townies.
A scum player looking for a better townie to kill. Since when have you been against a Twelve lynch anyway? You've been hounding him as hard as any other player hear. The only reason you voted for ET was because you thought he was more likely to be scum than Twelve. I think you are trying to buy points for your share in the mislynch, maybe pulling a townie or two down with you.
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On July 12 2012 23:46 ShiaoPi wrote:
For today's lynch I would like to lynch Maju instead of grush. His interactions with Katina looked incredibly scummy I agree but I am more or less willing to say that he might have made mistakes in his reads. Maju on the other hand is actively doing nothing. Flying under the radar and then unlurking the way he did looks really terrible.
##vote: MajuGarzett
@grush:
I am not exonerating you completely here. Who do you want to lynch? What's your opinion on the remaining players?
Other people I am wary of as of now:
Mandalor (that last post was baaad), casualman and VE
Now especially to VE: What are your thoughts right now? As a vet player I would assume that you have quite some knowledge to share. The lack thereof until now is really worrying, besides the fact that you are still alive, but that also accounts for Acro.
@vivax:
Who do you want to lynch today?
@ShiaoPi Mandalor's post may be bad, but it shows a lack of reading of the thread. What he failed to pay attention to is an important event in the game, so important that a scum wouldn't make a mistake like that.
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On July 13 2012 02:31 Mandalor wrote:huh? care to tell me why?
Hyaach is a DT so Im in the clear for one.
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On July 04 2012 18:32 MajuGarzett wrote:I like the lynching of twelve the best right now. One of the things that stands out to me in his filter was Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 15:15 Twelve wrote:
I'm still thinking on this. I think casualman probably still our most likely scum lynch. I'll get back to you tomorrow morning on the info lynch. His last previous mention of casual was + Show Spoiler +On July 02 2012 04:59 Twelve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +He didn't call out casual directly. Look at the way he phrased the call out. It was a question, which means he was searching for confirmation before pushing the statement. Since the town didn't really get on casual, he jumped on my wagon. Incorrect sir, even if casualman is scum, he doesn't appear to be smart enough to really pose too much of a threat and doesn't really seem worth a day 1 lynch. Again there is no reason that anyone would vote for themselves as town, and no one has really tried to defend that vote, just make accusations against the people that notice it? I don't understand. If there is a legitmate reason town would vote for themselves, please, change my mind. He says casual isn't worth a day 1 lynch but for some unexplained reason thinks he's worth a day 2 lynch. He attacks NoSmurfHere for starting bandwagons when trying to find scum really shouldn't be suspicious at all. He also claims to have found FT scummy before he ever saw the bandwagon but never bothered to mention FT at all. As town he really shouldn't be afraid to share his reads. ##Vote: Twelve
Looking over MG's filter and found this. He took it out of context as Twelve had other posts about casual and his suspicions. I also see inconsistencies in how he blames others for useless votes and his defending style. Scummy as far I can see.
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Let's pump up the volume!
##Vote: MajuGarzett You have the majority of votes now, you'll get lynched if you don't show up!
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On July 13 2012 13:49 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote:MajuGarzettI mentioned him earlier, but he's kinda felt a little townie in his posting. A little bit...way more so than previous lynches anyway, so he fell off my radar. But reading his filter BROUGHT IT ALL BACK BABY! + Show Spoiler [Previous posts on the matter] +On July 05 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 18:32 MajuGarzett wrote:I like the lynching of twelve the best right now. One of the things that stands out to me in his filter was On July 04 2012 15:15 Twelve wrote:
I'm still thinking on this. I think casualman probably still our most likely scum lynch. I'll get back to you tomorrow morning on the info lynch. His last previous mention of casual was + Show Spoiler +On July 02 2012 04:59 Twelve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +He didn't call out casual directly. Look at the way he phrased the call out. It was a question, which means he was searching for confirmation before pushing the statement. Since the town didn't really get on casual, he jumped on my wagon. Incorrect sir, even if casualman is scum, he doesn't appear to be smart enough to really pose too much of a threat and doesn't really seem worth a day 1 lynch. Again there is no reason that anyone would vote for themselves as town, and no one has really tried to defend that vote, just make accusations against the people that notice it? I don't understand. If there is a legitmate reason town would vote for themselves, please, change my mind. He says casual isn't worth a day 1 lynch but for some unexplained reason thinks he's worth a day 2 lynch. He attacks NoSmurfHere for starting bandwagons when trying to find scum really shouldn't be suspicious at all.He also claims to have found FT scummy before he ever saw the bandwagon but never bothered to mention FT at all. As town he really shouldn't be afraid to share his reads.##Vote: Twelve This defense of NSH is completely out of place considering your "read" of NSH up to this point. Explain. I've taken the liberty of highlighting something I missed before, which is what I perceive to be a scumslip. It seems to me that if he were town trying to discern 12's alignment he would say something like "If he's town" or "Assuming he's town"…but he says "As town" as if he knows he's town. Minor, but it's also in a spoiler. On July 06 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
VisceraEyes Scum-O-Meter
The Good Guys
VisceraEyes
ghost403
Kurumi
austinmcc
NoSmurfHere
Acrofales
Mattchew
These are the people that I read as town.
The Bad Guys
MajuGarzett
Vivax
casualman
ShiaoPi
These are people that for one reason or another I have a scum read on. I support killing these players with zero remorse. Vivax I've provided reasoning for. I was dissatisfied with Maju's response to my question of him...his read on NSH was such that he wanted to lynch him earlier in the day, but then decided out of nowhere and for very little reason that he was wrong and in fact DEFENDED NSH late in the day when the vote-switch stuff was happening (I think). He's my strongest read as of right now, but he's also the one who has the highest probability of changing my mind if he can explain himself more thoroughly. Casualman has almost no content by which to judge him. Yet he's voting and posting every cycle. Scummy. Kill him. ShiaoPi defended BM early on, and has been a non-presence in the game for most of it. My weakest read.
The Players
Katina
grush57
Twelve
Hyaach
BroodKingEXE
Mandalor
These are people who I do NOT have a read on. They're listed in order from greenest to reddest…though I'd call all of them null reads ultimately. Katina used to be a town read, but her burst in activity seems as convenient as her choice in lynches. I've moved her to a null leaning town read.
I call them "the players" because unless they're NK'd (not likely as most of them have some form of suspicion on them save grush) then along with "The Bad Guys" they make up who are going to survive to LYLO if we keep mislynching by my estimation.On July 01 2012 09:09 MajuGarzett wrote:On July 01 2012 08:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Bill Murray is an idiot, some vig should shoot him tonight. Not worth a lynch as that would probably wreck the thread and waste discussion space.
Do note that mKmKmK has taken his time in responding to the votes he's received. If he were town at the very least he'd call my vote stupid. However he's chosen to lurk the suspicion away which is far more of a scumtell than towntell. In addition notice how he hasn't built up many votes whereas some random noob is racking up votes like a stripper with DDs racks up $2 bills on fight night.
There's some major derailing going on and whoever is responsible is scum.
You're insinuating that mK is scummy because people aren't voting for him? That's rather ridiculous. Your first 4 posts don't do anything at all other than give a completely unsubstantiated vote. Your latest post says BM should be shot because he's an idiot, not because he's scum. You then spew ridiculous comments on mK based on him lurking while there are others who have lurked more. You then talk about derailing in a very vague manner without bothering to direct it anyone. Your vote is weird and has poor support and your comment about BM is completely at odds with town goals if you don't believe he's scum. This is a pretty hardish defense of BM, which I missed before. Also this post feels awfully defensive to NSH's sentiment when he said it himself - NSH didn't really direct the post at anyone, just made an observation. So why is he taking issue with this post exactly? Between this post: On July 03 2012 09:56 MajuGarzett wrote:On July 03 2012 09:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, you can't make me Marv.
I've fucked TWO games now pushing lynches that were never going to happen, you're not going to talk me into doing it this game. I'd be interested in a NoSmurfHere lynch. I backed off him as I had no support. And this post, On July 04 2012 03:24 MajuGarzett wrote:On July 03 2012 22:41 Hyaach wrote:
I don't know man, i have a heavy reliance on page 1 and day/night post. I dont keep spreadsheets.
Hey Maju. Thoughts on nosmurfhere? Don't really suspect him anymore. I know we're supposed to stop talking about the role pm's but its kinda hard to forget about it. If wiggles said he got a similar pm to smurf its unlikely that smurf was scum who posted that to seem more town like and randomly had another player who actually got a pm just saying role name. I just wanted to respond to this quickly, I still have to catch up a bit. ...there's literally nothing. Not one mention of NSH, no struggling to figure out his alignment…he just goes from wanting to lynch the guy to "Don't really suspect him anymore". Why? Oh, role-PMs…got it…the things that scum get fake-claims about. Right. No. This is ridiculous, and after this he switches gears to DEFENDING NSH? All because NSH said he got a similar ROLE PM to someone else? This is a classic case of scum trying to justify having more information than they should. His read of NSH changes based on nothing - but he wants to look good defending someone everyone else thinks is town, so he fabricates something based on BS to justify his read. MajuGarzett is scum. He defended BM. He hard-flipped on NSH to the point of chainsaw defending him against Twelve. It's time he dies. I wouldn't say that the bold quote is a defense of BM. It was more of a comment on NSH's logic. At that time I suspected NSH so commenting on his play made perfect sense. I guess I really can't say anything about the flip on NSH. My logic has been given and the logic made sense to me. You say that scum could have faked the role pm but what would be the point of giving scum fake role pm's when the VT positions are listed in the OP? The only way that would make sense was if scum were given a certain position such as juggler (which I am by the way) which would be given to no one else in the game. Also, if I was scum, why wouldn't I have initially tried to kill someone who other people suspected as well instead of suspecting NSH then changing my views? I don't see how my actions in general have been that scummy. I first voted for NSH, which as I have said was someone who scum would be unlikely to target for a lynch. I was against the vote of ET, a townie, and for the vote of Katina, the scum RB. I am still for lynching grush. After that I would lynch casual as by this point I suspect his trolling was just a way of keeping a null read and therefore not garnering votes. After that I'm not sure though I am suspicious of VE for his hesitance to vote for Katina. I felt that his qualms about the truth of Hyaach's roleclaim were fairly unfounded.
What are you talking about fake role pms? Kinda hippcritical about claiming juggler too. Your vote for NSH could have been a ploy to make you look townie, by going after an uncosidered canidate. Defense isnt cutting it for me.
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On July 14 2012 03:00 Acrofales wrote:
Hrmm. I just took a look at the votecount and casualman has not yet voted. If he doesn't vote, then he'll get modkilled. That would be REALLY bad if he's town, because that would make today lylo.
We need to take that into account, so Vivax, make up your mind and don't fucking flip a coin because I will revive ghost to shoot you in the face.
I wouldn't count on it, he's ninja voted the last three lynches. A lot WIFOM but I wonder why he would continue to play this game as town if he was a troll.
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We need to take that into account, so Vivax, make up your mind and don't fucking flip a coin because I will revive ghost to shoot you in the face.
Lol, TBH I think the thing that started this whole thing (now evidence has been put behind it) if whether Grush (who's only rolled town) and Maju (who's only rolled scum). Out of the two I'd say Maju is more readable and thus less coinflippy, but considering we are planning on lynching both, a Grush lynch would make more sense. Chances are if we dont do it now it'll never be done (as towns can get distracted).
##Unvote
##Vote: Grush57
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gg scum. unfortunate we didn't lynch Grush in the end. Kurumi played under the radar really well, I didn't want to build a case on him though as I wouldn't be able to substatiate it well.
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Acro was running the tables in VE's passivity. But seriously did it seem like VE was more passive than usual this game? Might be just me.
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On July 14 2012 08:54 Vivax wrote:
I'll push for grush policy lynches in the future.
gg scum.
I actually thought Kurumi was mad hatter cause of the nonsense written somewhat early.
I think BKE also had that impression.
I did think so but after Hyaach roleclaimed it didn't make sense for there to be anymore blues in the game. I was also thinking that by now a MH would have roleclaimed or been more active (the first action confirming his townieness and the second to kill scum).
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On July 15 2012 02:02 grush57 wrote:GG. Thanks for hosting, awesome flavor. Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 07:48 Mandalor wrote:I'll stick with Maju. Kurumi, grush and casualman are really really annoying people as well. If there's no rule against dumb posting I forsee mafia games filled with trolls in the future  I had to play my town meta so I wouldn't get lynched while not helping the town, hence lurking.
Standing Ovation
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