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MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 04 2012 21:53 GMT
#1258
On July 05 2012 06:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why is it different for twelve MG?

ET concurring with the general sentiment of the thread is possible. 12 just goes off and draws his own odd conclusions and says weird stuff that he doesn't seem to really believe.

Just for clarification, I don't like ET's go with the flow play either, I just dislike 12's odd choices more.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 04 2012 23:38 GMT
#1270
I think 12 is insinuating that rasta and bugs are scum and that together they were trying to get the dt to check bugs.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 05 2012 00:13 GMT
#1278
On July 05 2012 09:09 Twelve wrote:
np ShiaoPI , I had to try, I win if town wins. unfortunatly for town i flip green D: you all should worry a lot less about meta and a lot more about what is in front of you. gl hf

Using that methodology I think you'd gain more votes. Meta plays a much larger part in the case on ET than on you.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 05 2012 04:29 GMT
#1337
On July 05 2012 10:14 Hyaach wrote:
what was this shennigan. i was here the whole time and i hane no idea why people were jumping so hard on ey lynch. he was afk thus his meta was off. i read that as a bad reason for ppl to lynch him off. gonna see the list when i get home and do some reviewing.

Assuming you're talking about ET why didn't you say anything like this before the lynch? You just sit around and justify yourself after events occur.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 05 2012 05:06 GMT
#1339
On July 05 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 18:32 MajuGarzett wrote:
I like the lynching of twelve the best right now. One of the things that stands out to me in his filter was

On July 04 2012 15:15 Twelve wrote:
I'm still thinking on this. I think casualman probably still our most likely scum lynch. I'll get back to you tomorrow morning on the info lynch.


His last previous mention of casual was

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 02 2012 04:59 Twelve wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't call out casual directly. Look at the way he phrased the call out. It was a question, which means he was searching for confirmation before pushing the statement. Since the town didn't really get on casual, he jumped on my wagon.



Incorrect sir, even if casualman is scum, he doesn't appear to be smart enough to really pose too much of a threat and doesn't really seem worth a day 1 lynch. Again there is no reason that anyone would vote for themselves as town, and no one has really tried to defend that vote, just make accusations against the people that notice it? I don't understand. If there is a legitmate reason town would vote for themselves, please, change my mind.

He says casual isn't worth a day 1 lynch but for some unexplained reason thinks he's worth a day 2 lynch.

He attacks NoSmurfHere for starting bandwagons when trying to find scum really shouldn't be suspicious at all.
He also claims to have found FT scummy before he ever saw the bandwagon but never bothered to mention FT at all. As town he really shouldn't be afraid to share his reads.

##Vote: Twelve


This defense of NSH is completely out of place considering your "read" of NSH up to this point. Explain.


On July 04 2012 03:24 MajuGarzett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 22:41 Hyaach wrote:
I don't know man, i have a heavy reliance on page 1 and day/night post. I dont keep spreadsheets.

Hey Maju. Thoughts on nosmurfhere?

Don't really suspect him anymore. I know we're supposed to stop talking about the role pm's but its kinda hard to forget about it. If wiggles said he got a similar pm to smurf its unlikely that smurf was scum who posted that to seem more town like and randomly had another player who actually got a pm just saying role name.

I just wanted to respond to this quickly, I still have to catch up a bit.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 05 2012 05:08 GMT
#1340
Also no one seemed to agree with me on my read so I thought perhaps I was wrong. His play lately hasn't seemed scummy so he's no longer one of my suspects.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 05 2012 17:03 GMT
#1366
Why do people suddenly want to kill me? How does thinking that my response to one question is insufficient supersede the last 2 days of discussion on 12, Katina, etc.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 05 2012 17:04 GMT
#1367
Also, what about the response was insufficient? To me the wiggles thing was pretty strong evidence.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 05 2012 18:52 GMT
#1377
On July 06 2012 03:35 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 20:03 Vivax wrote:
Ok, so twelve considered his life to be more valuable than that of somebody he believed to be town.

This is arguably not pro-town, but a lot of townies might have done the same in his spot.

Katina, can you post a list of your opinions regarding all players?
Needless to say I might use it against you, it really depends on what you write there.
You don't need to give long explanations, just guess the players' alignment.


Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 23:12 ghost_403 wrote:
Hey Kat, what do you think about Maju?


As I just stated in the list above I find him suspicious. He doesn't really do anything. He tried to contribute day one so people wouldn't suspect him. Then he went inactive and once people started to notice he came back and started posting one liners.

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On July 06 2012 02:03 MajuGarzett wrote:
Why do people suddenly want to kill me? How does thinking that my response to one question is insufficient supersede the last 2 days of discussion on 12, Katina, etc.


He seems to try and divert attention off himself. It's not to say his point isn't true but at the same time this is a pretty inactive player who is telling us to stop looking at him.

I'm not saying stop looking at me, I just think that if people want to kill me they should give a proper explanation.

On July 05 2012 04:43 Vivax wrote:
Cause Twelve suspected Bugs, who wasn't under pressure at the time, and rastaban. The guy who got killed by mafia.

I wouldn't understand the actions from a scum point of view.

There's a lot of talk about ET already. Take the way he tries to influence bandwagons without reads.

Vivax, you list these reasons why 12 is town but why wouldn't a scum want to draw suspicion to townies and to try to divide the vote to inhibit progress?
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 05 2012 22:11 GMT
#1402
On July 06 2012 07:03 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
VisceraEyes Scum-O-Meter

The Guys I think mafia should shoot tonight
VisceraEyes
ghost403
Kurumi
austinmcc
NoSmurfHere
Acrofales
Mattchew



Fixed.

There's a reason I'm keeping the townreads to myself still, you should have posted this list right before the daypost.

You don't think it's a bad idea to post it now?
.

Mafia would know who's town anyways. VE's list isn't going to magically make people town or scum. This seems like bad justification to hide reads.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 06 2012 03:56 GMT
#1424
On July 06 2012 12:30 Hyaach wrote:
ok i checked first page n we dont have a rb
scumslip on mypart

I find it odd to call this a scumslip. Possible reverse psychology?
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 07 2012 02:27 GMT
#1545
On July 07 2012 10:32 Twelve wrote:
Alright I've read through Hyaach and Katina's filters and I don't see why you are trusting Hyaach over Katina. I had a strong town read on Katina, but after rereading, I realised it was because she defends me from lynches, but its always from one townie to another, so maybe she was exploiting knowing my alliance and trying to trick me into being an ally? Any thoughts? I'm feeling a but lost, but am willing to change my vote. Good god Hyaach if you are lieing about BKE.......

Why are you questioning people that trust Hyaach over Kat when you've suddenly developed about about Kat?

On July 07 2012 11:08 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 10:52 NoSmurfHere wrote:
So katina, is Hyaach lying, or were you framed, or both?

Your story is kinda weird. If you were framed it doesn't necessarily mean Hyaach is lying. So if you claim to be framed why is your instant conclusion that Hyaach is a liar?

I don't see the town motivation behind immediately claiming Hyaach is a liar without looking at the facts first. I had to actually go back to the OP and see if there were millers (there aren't) and to see how framers worked. (which Wiggles just clarified)

So instead of looking over the facts, your instant conclusion is that Hyaach is lying. You say he has to be lying, without even considering for a moment the motivation behind the claim. What motivation would a scum Hyaach have to single YOU out, of all players? The only plausible explanation for that is you believe all three of BKE, Twelve, and Hyaach to be scum...which honestly, I find to be absurd, and you haven't pushed this notion anyway. Are you of that opinion?

Thinking about it rationally, the only reason a scum would fakeclaim DT in this position is to save both BKE and Twelve, but then they would draw so much attention to themselves when their target flipped town that it would be simpler to paint one of BKE/Twelve as town and bus the hell out of the other. In fact it would be far more effective, even.

Then the second part of your little tirade kicks in. If you got framed, why is it necessitated that Hyaach is lying? If you're of the opinion that you got framed then you should believe Hyaach's claim.

Instead it seems like you've just started panicking and now all you can do is sling mud at the situation to try and make it go away.


I don't know if I was framed or if Hyaach is lying. I have been looking over the facts this whole game. His motivation would be to go for someone in the spot light. With you on my back this whole game you gave him a nice target. As I have said numerous times I think BKE is Mafia and I'm not sure what to make of Hyaach anymore. Twelve I have a town read on. First reaction I had when I saw that red check was he had to be lying because I'm town. Then I read to see what roles could be in the game and noticed the Mafia could have a framer but since I think BKE is Mafia and apparently had a green check then it makes it hard for me to figure out which option it could be. If I had a town read on BKE this game then I would be more inclined to believe Hyaach's claim and conclude that I was framed.

Again as I said Mafia don't play by one particular style that would make the games too easy. It depends on the Mafia team as well some could have jubjubs who do odd things while others have experienced players who do odd things. I'm not slinging mud and trying to make it go away. I'm trying to defend myself from being mislynched this game. I'm not the target you should be trying to get lynched.

On July 07 2012 10:12 Katina wrote:


That's stupid. Hyaach is lying.

On July 07 2012 10:29 Katina wrote:
I just got back to the computer. It's still a weekday.

I had to have been framed. That's the only logical way I could have turned up a red check. Especially as mentioned I have been in the spotlight and there would be a high possibility I would be checked. So who else would be a perfect target to frame? I find it more likely that Hyaach is lying.

Kat, the latter two quotes both express definite statements that contradict the first quote in which you say you don't know if you were framed or if Hyaach was lying. In the last quote you say both that framing is the only explanation and " I find it more likely that Hyaach is lying"
I don't trust you.


I was still going to vote 12 but because of the check and Kat's contradictions

##Vote: Katina
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 07 2012 04:33 GMT
#1566
On July 07 2012 13:12 Katina wrote:
First impression I thought he was lying. As I have said I had a scumread on BKE and was suspicous of Hyaach. Then after going back over Hyaach's filter I can see how his DT claim could be legit. So it would make sense that I was framed.

Did reading Hyaach's filter absolve BKE in your eyes?
If yes, how? and if no, how can you think that Hyaach is the real DT since it's impossible for mafia to be made to look like town.

Essentially if Hyaach's filter didn't change your opinion of BKE then your idea that you were framed makes no sense unless your new found support for Hyaach manages to supersede your constant suspicion of BKE which was so strong that you voted for him twice. I find it rather unlikely that you somehow had such a great shift in perspective.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 07 2012 04:41 GMT
#1567
More concisely, what exactly in Hyaach's filter was so convincing that it changed your mind about your strongest scum read?
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 07 2012 04:53 GMT
#1571
On July 07 2012 13:46 Katina wrote:
I didn't believed what Hyaach was saying about BKE until he claimed today then after reading over Hyaach's filter has caused me to greatly reconsider BKE. What Hyaach says in BKE's defense matches with a green DT check. If Hyaach is a DT then that means that BKE has to be town and I was framed. Yes my read was strong but again that was before today. It caused this great shift because I turned up a red check when I'm town and it made me look at Hyaach and BKE with this information. After looking it over it doesn't seem likely that they are both Mafia. If Hyaach was lying then I would imagine that the real DT would come forward or at least someone would start pushing heavly for Hyaach. So unless that happens then that only leaves the legit DT and me begin framed.

Looking at posting times, Hyaach barely says anything in BKE's defence between the time he got a check back and the time he claimed. in fact all he does is ask BKE for his reads and say "BKE is town". Explain what matches to you please.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 07 2012 05:08 GMT
#1575
BKE was never in any real danger day 2 though. He never had more than one vote on him and both people who voted were under at least some suspicion themselves. It would have been better if he was more active but it's possible he just didn't see the point in defending him or didn't want to draw attention to himself by defending someone who wasn't really in danger.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 07 2012 05:08 GMT
#1576
EBWOP: That was in response to VE.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 07 2012 05:13 GMT
#1579
On July 07 2012 14:05 Katina wrote:
@ VE: I was suspicious of them before Hyaach made his DT claim. After he claimed it caused me to go and take another look with the new information of a DT claim.

@Maju: He hints at his check without revealing too much information or claim what his check turned up on BKE. If he would have claimed then the Mafia would have for sure killed him. A lot of people were going for BKE so it makes sense to check the person that everyone is going after. Such as BKE and me.

The line "BKE is town" was to you so moving? I want to emphasize to town how odd such an event is.

I find your logic extremely flawed Kat.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 07 2012 05:26 GMT
#1581
On July 07 2012 14:19 Katina wrote:
I don't know why you are under the impression that a DT has to make their checks in the thread filled with fireworks and sprinklers. That wasn't the only post that Hyaach has made implying that he had a DT check.

It was literally the only time he protected BKE between the check and the role claim and you said "What Hyaach says in BKE's defense matches with a green DT check". Anything else is extraneous to that sentiment.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 07 2012 05:29 GMT
#1582
The previous posts might seem to contradict my belief in Hyaach's claim as they question Kat's belief in the claim, but their only point is to point out flaws in Kat's logic when deciding between framing and Hyaach lying, not to give my own views.
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