I don't understand why xsksc is so certain that using the RB power necessitates withholding kp.

hyaach is correct about the math as it agrees with what I posted earlier in spoiler tags. Withholding KP like they did wouldn't change their win situation, the still hope to win the flip and beg third parties for help. Also still outside possibilities that something else happened last night that we're unaware of that took the place of the kp that would affect the math (recruitment of traitor or something) but I don't want to be too paranoid.

xsksc

United Kingdom1044 Posts

June 26 2012 14:11 GMT

#1942

On June 26 2012 23:02 talismania wrote:
I don't understand why xsksc is so certain that using the RB power necessitates withholding kp.

If there's a shot and he's claimed RB on me, is it not pretty obvious that he's the scum? That's why I think he would withhold it.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

June 26 2012 14:25 GMT

#1943

oh duh

xsksc

United Kingdom1044 Posts

June 26 2012 14:26 GMT

#1944

On June 26 2012 23:25 talismania wrote:
oh duh

sorry, am i missing something obvious? I'm not really sure what you mean

HiroPro

United States2624 Posts

June 26 2012 14:49 GMT

#1945

Ok, I've got limerick topics selected. Doesn't look like I'll get to use them, though

Acrofales

Spain18055 Posts

June 26 2012 14:53 GMT

#1946

On June 26 2012 23:49 HiroPro wrote:
Ok, I've got limerick topics selected. Doesn't look like I'll get to use them, though

This game has a noob called HiroPro
Who wants to end dead as a dodo
He threatens with rhymes
But when the bell chimes
We all know that this is a no no!

Now back to

I was enjoying the xsksc and Hyaach little spat. I just wish I had time to give it a good read through. At least it has both of them posting, which I think is great.

HiroPro

United States2624 Posts

June 26 2012 15:02 GMT

#1947

Not bad, not bad. I didn't enjoy the spat as much as you, though; too much boring talk about roleblocks and lurking.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

June 26 2012 15:02 GMT

#1948

On June 26 2012 23:26 xsksc wrote:

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sorry, am i missing something obvious? I'm not really sure what you mean

I mean, "oh duh, why didn't I think of that" in reference to why there won't be a NK.

Acrofales

Spain18055 Posts

June 26 2012 18:00 GMT

#1949

Okay. Wacky idea. What if deconduo is Maju's partner. We all completely let him off the hook for the whole lie detector thing, but what if Maju checked Tali on N0 and it came back "weird" rather than "vigilante". If that is the case, then the whole lie detector part suddenly makes sense from a scum point of view.

Think of it:
Maju checks Tali and he gets back "weird"
Tali claims daytime vigi
Deconduo doesn't believe the claim at ALL, because he thinks this would've given back vigi on the check, so concludes that Tali is lying. He tells Tali to say this:

I am a dayvig
I am town
Deconduo is town

He plans for this to come back false, because he *knows* Tali is not a dayvig (and he's also not afraid of Tali's shot). However, he needs the "Deconduo is town" blurb in there to make himself "confirmed town". Because Tali is not a dayvig and deconduo won't get shot, this could also get the pressure off his scumbuddy Maju, who was in danger of lynching, if not shooting. When Tali flips town, but not dayvig, he is cleared as confirmed scum and goes into hiding.

What actually happened was possibly even better (although his scumbuddy died): Tali reacted in a really townie manner and Drazerk jumped into the fray. Deconduo being quick on his feet joggled the sentence round a bit:

Deconduo is town
Drazerk is town
Talismania is not town

Tali IS town, so this sentence is false, but because nobody believes deconduo would pull such a stunt as scum, he's off the hook.

This lie detector deal made me completely dismiss all my suspicions of deconduo, but I just can't help thinking that OTHER than that lie detector thing he has been horrid.

Hyaach played townie, and then went into lurker mode, but his spat with xsksc seems more like a town vs. town spat. xsksc played scummy, and then when the pressure was on reacted in a townie manner to it. When I can't find a clear scum motive for actions, I have to default to town. And one thing I absolutely cannot fathom is why either Hyaach or xsksc would withhold the NK: the pressure was very clearly on them and withholding the NK would only confirm to us that scum was hiding in Ghost/xsksc/Hyaach. That gives them a very finite window of opportunity and all NKs help.

However, if deconduo is scum, then withholding the NK makes sense: it allows him to get all those 3 killed, and by the time they're dead, he can win the game.

I invite everybody to look at deconduo's filter. It is scummy as hell. It goes from scummy (including a Majuju softdefense) into lie detector into hardcore lurker.

And yes, I know I am introducing someone into the equation AGAIN. I just don't feel the xsksc or Hyaach lynches anymore.

Barbiero

Brazil5259 Posts

June 26 2012 18:00 GMT

#1950

A Badass Death
[image loading]

talismania sat on his chair, fingers touching eachother. He knew that someone was coming. He knew this was his end.
"Hello professor." A voice said from behind.
"I know you've come to kill me." the professor said, without stuttering. "Shoot. You are only going to kill a man."
"A nice quote, and very fitting if you ask me. But that won't make any difference. You'll die now."
And the man pointed the gun towards talismania who just closed his eyes. He knew it was inevitable. The shot could be heard from everywhere, but by the time his body was found, the killer was long gone. Or was he?

The board switched to 24:00:00. The final days were coming.

talismania, the Professor Badass, the Daytime Vigilante has been shot!
RolePM:
+ Show Spoiler +

You are the Professor Badass, the Daytime Vigilante
You're a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything. You can, once per game and only during the day, kill someone by PMing the hosts. When one of the hosts is available, the guy is as good as dead, and you get some badass flavor text(but you won't be revealed). If you try to kill the King, you will die instead with a pretty sissy flavor(the King won't be revealed). There is a Monarchist Activist. Other players know he exists, and some of them want him dead.

You win when all the anti-town elements are destroyed.

Days will now last 24 hours.

Deadline is [unparsable timestamp format]

7 players live.

Lynch is plurality lynch.

If you play Dota2, pick a support. Seriously I'm tired of people going all carry mode and I'm the only one left to support them.

Acrofales

Spain18055 Posts

June 26 2012 18:02 GMT

#1951

Damn Tali, I hoped you would post your reads before dying. You're the only one I still trusted :S

Acrofales

Spain18055 Posts

June 26 2012 18:06 GMT

#1952

On June 26 2012 23:25 talismania wrote:
oh duh

Haha, this was such a fake-out. I knew there was no reason for scum to withhold KP. You knew there was no reason for scum to withhold KP. I was just hoping scum didn't know there was no reason to withhold KP

There is no reason to let either xsksc or Hyaach off the hook for this kill. It makes it marginally less likely that xsksc is scum because we've ruled out that he's a mafia goon: if he's scum, he has some ability that can be roleblocked, in addition to his KP.

However, I just don't feel a lynch on either of these guys anymore. Drazerk, what is your opinion of this?