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On June 21 2012 06:59 DropBear wrote:Because you don't give your town reads at night. It makes people get shot. Could you explain the part in bold please Acrofales. Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 03:26 Acrofales wrote:However, you came back during the night and I actually liked your posts, so I relented and looked for a different target. I figured DropBear and Nisani are major lynch candidates today, so figured I'd look into the people I hadn't looked closely yet. I almost changed my target to Nisani when BioSC started posting, but his posting style and the case were just so weird (and cute), that they confused me more than convinced me he was town. I couldn't find a scum motive for posting so weird, but it isn't exactly townie either. I then thought of you and remembered that strange posting styles can be employed by scum to seem inoccuous  So I went through with the shot. Wrongly. And Drazerk when I was still playing regularly Kenpachi had a 100% strike rate on hitting mafiosos as a vigilante.
Explained (probably have to expand the inner quote).
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"you" refers to Drazerk, of course. He was the one who asked the question.
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Lol. I don't believe Hiro, but seeing as I already claimed
/shrug
##claim Ezio Auditorie de Firenze, the Assassin
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On June 21 2012 05:15 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:10 Acrofales wrote:
A town Nisani should be trying to prevent a mislynch. He clearly has no interest in preventing a mislynch. Maybe his extra wincon was to outlive the AMA, so he doesn't give a fuck, or maybe he's scum. Your post has inspired me to say something. I have decided I will help you guys scumhunt. Everyone who thinks I am the MA should say so now. This is important.
Yo Nisani, I think you're MA!
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On June 21 2012 07:42 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 07:39 Acrofales wrote:On June 21 2012 05:15 Nisani201 wrote:On June 21 2012 05:10 Acrofales wrote:
A town Nisani should be trying to prevent a mislynch. He clearly has no interest in preventing a mislynch. Maybe his extra wincon was to outlive the AMA, so he doesn't give a fuck, or maybe he's scum. Your post has inspired me to say something. I have decided I will help you guys scumhunt. Everyone who thinks I am the MA should say so now. This is important. Yo Nisani, I think you're MA! ugh you don't count These people need to tell me if they think I am the MA: DropBear xsksc Drazerk Hyaach
I totally count!
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10... wait while I take off my shoes.
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Okay... nobody seems to have any objections to the mass claim deal, so lets get that over with.
Lynching Nisani still seems like the way to go for now. His play is not making any sense. Not making sense is not a scumtell, but it's certainly not townie either.
I am currently also unsure what to think of xskskc. His investigation targets seem believable, but are also conveniently dead. 2 DTs in a 15player game seems strange (and we have 4F's DT claim too, which ghost repealed). Particularly, you'd think that if there really are 2 DTs, scum would have more tools than a single one-shot framer.
Seeing as how we're mass claiming anyway, lets add in:
Who was king yesterday and how does your role work? If you're king today and it wasn't in the daypost, please say so!
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On June 21 2012 13:08 Hyaach wrote:
From my understanding of a breadcrumb, its something that will substantiate your role claim ?
and his whole posting style is one big crumb really. lol
So we should have magically deduced that his hearty cutesy posting style made him a My Little Pony... and from there drawn the conclusion that he was town? You need to have your eyes checked, I think you have a severe case of 20/20 hindsight.
BioSC was lurking. His posts around Chezinu were bad and he had done nothing of use except follow the general opinion. I made a case, people agreed, so I shot him. How is that bad play? As I said to DropBear: coming in 15 hours later and yelling is NOT CONTRIBUTING.
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@SnB: you seem to no longer think Drazerk is scum. Who do you think is scum? Do you agree on the Nisani lynch? Has your opinion on DropBear changed at all?
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On June 21 2012 18:08 Hyaach wrote:
I was along the lines of his post have major power slip in them. And his tone was to breadcrumb himself if he needed to claim.
Why are you so defensive?
Yes we can't tell him from his tone of typing and draw conclusion but FROM what he typed.
Who agreed on BioSC's case? Can you link me the response which make you come to the conclusion that his is a scummy lurker and not just A lurker?
I have no idea about bastard games, this is my first one.
But would having 2 2 person scum teams and 3rd parties be unlikely? Maju was a scum cop and i refuse to believe we have two cops with almost identical PM.
I'm not defensive, I'm angry.
Here is why I thought he was scum.
And here are the people who remarked on the situation:
+ Show Spoiler +Drazerk replies: On June 20 2012 19:53 Drazerk wrote:
While I see your point about his lack of PBPA me and ET have been very vocal in our hatred for them so we might of scared him off.
I still think he is scum because of his lurking / Chezinu stance but I think he is more of a 3rd/4th priority at the moment ET replies: On June 20 2012 22:00 EchelonTee wrote:
I like biosc. I think he's scum but I like him.
Not on a cpu atm, ill get back to you in the morning hiropro. And Talismania replies: On June 21 2012 01:23 talismania wrote:
Ok a note on the king/setup business.
If KB was king, he knew he was king. There can't have been any of this "he didn't know he was king" stuff because his role PM outright says that he gets told who the king is.
My new theory is that the king's vote doesn't outright determine the vote, but the king gets to choose whose vote does. In this world, the king was cool with getting rid of dropbear and saw that kb was definitely going to vote for him, therefore he picked KB. Then at the last minute KB tried to get nisani killed with the switch onto himself (KB probably figured nisani for the MA and was trying to meet his wincon, it's really the only explanation for that switch) but ended up dying.
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@Drazerk I am powerless now but I still would be a decent night kill because I'm not getting lynched anytime soon and I'm driving a lot of discussion.
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BioSC you look hilariously scummy.
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@ghost... what? I kinda believed his claim since the part about hiropro made complete sense given how paranoid fourface was about hiro at the beginning of D1. What are you? The only one who thought Bio looked townish was ghost, but he was (and still is) pretty high on my scumometer himself, so I didn't trust that too much: On June 21 2012 01:25 ghost_403 wrote:
BioSC looked townish to me, but that came mostly from the reading of the House Chezinu situation early on in the game. Past that, I didn't really notice anything significant about him.
DropBear didn't make it on my spreadsheet until I looked at the players list. Points to terrible townie or lurking scum.
As we can see, out of these, one flipped town, and Tali is pretty townie in my eyes too. I still have my doubts about Drazerk, but more on that later.
Your setup speculation: it is entirely possible for there to be 2 2person scumteams. Note, that xksksksksc claims alignment cop, not rolecop. Not that that means he's town, in a setup with 2 scumteams and 3rd party, an alignment cop can be an excellent tool for scum to find the other scumteam.
The only problem is the KP. Unless ET got doublestacked, there should've been 2 KP if there's 2 scumteams left. Only 1 KP was used. The other possibility is ET blocking a shot while getting killed himself, but nobody has claimed getting shot.
If ET stopped a shot, would the target be notified? Also, how does the "HEAVY" being notified of the shot part work?
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Hyaach, want to roleclaim? You were in favour of the mass roleclaim. xksksksk has started. Lets get this show on the road.
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On June 21 2012 05:09 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:03 Acrofales wrote:
I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm saying ET was killed by Maju's partner (the only KP we know exists). That could be 4F/ghost. 4F never really convinced me, but I haven't made up my mind either way yet. Just throwing this theory out there: ET could've been killed because he was on to something and the only real suspicion he had mentioned that wasn't generally held opinion is 4F/Ghost.
I know it's all wifom. I'm just throwing the theory out there before I look into ET and 4F/ghost's filter in detail. This doesn't make sense because maju made his case D1 against fourface and was trying to get him lynched.
Maju was in Holy Roman and has seen how Mattchew busses his scumbuddies like a pro on D1. I wouldn't count 4F out... I went over his filter again and there is not much to recommend it being townie. Lets put it this way: if shitting up the thread is a mafia characteristic, 4F is the king of mafia.
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On June 21 2012 18:30 Hyaach wrote:
I wouldn't claim before Nisani201 is dead or full claimed.
that's all I'm saying.
Interesting. Why the fear of Nisani? You think he's going to shoot you during the day?
One of the points of the mass claim is to verify Nisani's soft claim of MA (he has vehemently denied being everything else we've accused him of being, but is silent on the MA part).
If someone had it in for the MA and could use a dayshot, Nisani would've been dead at daybreak. He's not, so if anybody is still after the MA, he's not a dayvig and has to wait until night.
I am also not a big fan of lynching the MA. The more I think of it, the less sense it makes for the MA to be anti-town. So regardless of how weird Nisani is playing (note that he's playing weird from a scum perspective as well), if he is in fact the MA, I'd prefer not to lynch him, as it's probably a mislynch.
The reasons I think the MA is town:
1. If I shot the king, I lost the game. I'm town, therefore the king is a townie mechanic. Given that the MA appoints the king (also in my role pm), the MA must be town, because giving a town mechanic to a malicious 3rd party makes no sense at all.
2. The AMA was an anti-town 3rd party with a KP. It makes no sense from a balance perspective for the MA to be another anti-town 3rd party without direct KP (if he has night KP, it's absent from N1). If 4F's theory was right, and the MA is out to kill the AMA by crowning him king, then town is left without actual KP until this war is over. That would be completely unbalanced and no fun to be playing as town.
Ockham's razor says that we are overthinking it and the MA is a town blue role. So, if Nisani is the MA and nobody actually counterclaims, then lynching Nisani is a bad idea, regardless of how scummy he's playing (and he is playing very scummy... the whole "lynch me because my wincon has been fulfilled" was terrible stacked on already shoddy play).
TLDR: lets complete this mass claim and verify Nisani as the MA. Then lynch xksksksks or ghost_90210 and let scum deal with Nisani?
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Actually, scratch that: lets lynch the crap out of Nisani. I went over what he said about his role. If he's town I hope I never have to play another game with him as town.
+ Show Spoiler [start of the extra wincon / losscon:] +On June 19 2012 05:18 Nisani201 wrote:
Why do you want me to claim?
I have a crazy role, not alignment. I do have an opportunity for an "extra win" and an "extra loss," but you guys don't have to worry about those because they are pro-town objectives. On June 19 2012 05:24 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 05:21 talismania wrote:On June 19 2012 05:18 Nisani201 wrote:
Why do you want me to claim?
I have a crazy role, not alignment. I do have an opportunity for an "extra win" and an "extra loss," but you guys don't have to worry about those because they are pro-town objectives. It's ok I guess I don't expect you to claim. But what's this extra win extra loss stuff? I don't see how you can extra lose. Can you give us a hint as to your various wincons? I can't say much without revealing my role. All you need to know is that it 100% aligns with town objectives. I'm not really sure how the "extra win" and "extra loss" works either, but I'm guessing that I can sort of get a double-win, or not lose nor win in the same game depending on the combination.
So extra win or loss, based on something he is not saying.
+ Show Spoiler [knowledge of king/MA:] +On June 19 2012 05:33 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 05:32 talismania wrote:
Nisani, what do you know about the king and monarchist activist? I don't know anything more than what was posted my you and Acrofales. On June 19 2012 05:46 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 05:44 talismania wrote:On June 19 2012 05:39 Nisani201 wrote:
Why do you keep asking me these questions? Because I want to know? And I have a gun? Do you know of any other factions? If your wincon is town-aligned, then maybe us in town can help you out. Did your pm contain any info on the king and MA at all? No I don't know about any other factions, and my role PM didn't have any information about monarchs or monarchist activist.
Claims his role pm didn't contain anything about the MA/King. This is clearly in direct contradiction with actually being the MA. So here he claims not-MA.
+ Show Spoiler [more on his wincon] +On June 19 2012 17:21 Nisani201 wrote:
Also in response to acro, my extra win con is nothing like the glados lynching thing from aperture. It does not remove me from the game and it doesn't require other people in the thread to do anything special. On June 21 2012 14:21 Nisani201 wrote:
In case you guys are wondering, I already fulfilled my extra win condition. All that's left is for you guys to kill the anti-town people, allowing me to get a double-win!
This is the most interesting bit: his wincon doesn't require people to do anything special and has already been fulfilled. If he had to kill the AMA then this would make sense: the AMA is dead.
Nisani: if your extra wincon is fulfilled, why don't you want to fullclaim? Why are you deliberately withholding information from town that can no longer hurt you?
We've been starved for info on the MA/king and if you are in fact the MA, you can clarify it all, but are choosing not to (insofar as I understand the game, just to fuck with town). If you are not the MA, you can clarify your wincon, because you've already fulfilled it and we can go on from there.
As is, you're withholding information on the setup from a town that desperately needs information on the setup. I wish we could pull the lynch forward and kill you right now.
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Imho, you full claim now. No point in waiting.
The day post doesn't say anything about a king being chosen (which it did say on D1), so it seems likely that there is no king today.
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These roleclaims are fucking weird. Tyrion Lannister the roleblocker.
Nisani, were you roleblocked last night?
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Btw, Hyaach, I do believe you. I'm just not sure Tyrion Lannister is town. He is totally a 3rd party in both the books and the tv series
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Come on, the rest of you Europeans. Wake up!
Looking at Drazerk, deconduo and xsksksc here.
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On June 21 2012 21:38 strongandbig wrote:
Hiro, in your mass claim plan are we claiming all our role information like powers or wincons, or are we just claiming role names at first?
You think there's stuff in your role pm that can hurt town if disclosed?
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On June 21 2012 21:53 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 21:36 Acrofales wrote:
Come on, the rest of you Europeans. Wake up!
Looking at Drazerk, deconduo and xsksksc here. I'm here and I already claimed ages ago remember.
You could comment on stuff. What do you think of the plan to mass claim? What do you think of xksksksksc's cop claim? Is Hyaach town?
For instance, that's just 3 questions that popped into my head for you. I'm sure you have plenty more to say.
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Drazerk, I thought you had claimed VT, but in actual fact you haven't. Claim now.
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