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On June 20 2012 08:37 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 08:25 talismania wrote:So how do you account for this: On June 19 2012 16:38 talismania wrote:
I will say this again:
it's really unlikely nisani is maju's partner.
Nisani claimed "a crazy role" with "extra win and extra lose" wincons. The existence of "extra lose" wincons was backed up by acrofales. Maju did not have any of these wincons. Therefore I find it an incredibly fortunate lie by nisani to have made that up if he is indeed maju's partner. More likely, nisani is third party or something. (especially now given that we have a role pm that shows there are extra wincons as well) ? If you take nisani as 3rd party, then who would maju's partner be? Do you have any other reads? Maybe I misread it but I thought Nisani denied that claim, if not, my bad I'll go re-read. Also, I'm curious about this point you made earlier. Show nested quote +Classic scum posts like "Anyway I'm going away now blahblahblah if anyone has questions" (I hate it when townies do this btw). The only post in my filter that is anything close to that would be this Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 10:42 xsksc wrote:
I have to go for a while, might be able to check the thread before I sleep. If I don't, I'll respond to any additional queries you might have, tomorow. If you had actually read the context, Nisani was questioning my KB case, and I had to go AFK after I replied. I wouldn't be around again for a while, so I said I'd respond to anything else he asked in the morning, that was not a "if anyone has questions". How on earth is that a "classic scum post"? Why do you hate it when townies do it? Is it more towny to just vanish for 12 hours?
He never denied that claim. He denied he is third party, but he has claimed he has extra wincons and extra losscons.
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I took that out of context as it happened when filtering. I think you did it again before you went to bed yesterday too though. I dunno. I just don't understand why people need to update the rest of us with their whereabouts unless it's deadline-related or something. Scum get nervous about seeming absent and make those posts, but townies do it too so eh.
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What are your other reads? I've heard you talk about kharadbanar and nisani and that's about it. Anything else?
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So is FourFace out of the game?
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I think you thought through that identity claim about as well as you thought through your role claim.
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Reposting this so we can get back on track.
On June 20 2012 08:37 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 08:25 talismania wrote:So how do you account for this: On June 19 2012 16:38 talismania wrote:
I will say this again:
it's really unlikely nisani is maju's partner.
Nisani claimed "a crazy role" with "extra win and extra lose" wincons. The existence of "extra lose" wincons was backed up by acrofales. Maju did not have any of these wincons. Therefore I find it an incredibly fortunate lie by nisani to have made that up if he is indeed maju's partner. More likely, nisani is third party or something. (especially now given that we have a role pm that shows there are extra wincons as well) ? If you take nisani as 3rd party, then who would maju's partner be? Do you have any other reads? Maybe I misread it but I thought Nisani denied that claim, if not, my bad I'll go re-read. Also, I'm curious about this point you made earlier. Show nested quote +Classic scum posts like "Anyway I'm going away now blahblahblah if anyone has questions" (I hate it when townies do this btw). The only post in my filter that is anything close to that would be this Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 10:42 xsksc wrote:
I have to go for a while, might be able to check the thread before I sleep. If I don't, I'll respond to any additional queries you might have, tomorow. If you had actually read the context, Nisani was questioning my KB case, and I had to go AFK after I replied. I wouldn't be around again for a while, so I said I'd respond to anything else he asked in the morning, that was not a "if anyone has questions". How on earth is that a "classic scum post"? Why do you hate it when townies do it? Is it more towny to just vanish for 12 hours?
He never denied that claim. He denied he is third party, but he has claimed he has extra wincons and extra losscons.
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I took that out of context as it happened when filtering. I think you did it again before you went to bed yesterday too though. I dunno. I just don't understand why people need to update the rest of us with their whereabouts unless it's deadline-related or something. Scum get nervous about seeming absent and make those posts, but townies do it too so eh.
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What are your other reads? I've heard you talk about kharadbanar and nisani and that's about it. Anything else?
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Thanks! I'm eager to hear your thoughts after you re-read.
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I have a name, deconduo has a name.
Neither maju nor kb had names.
So it's unclear at this point.
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DropBear, who is Maju's partner? Why? Other reads?
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Same questions at hyaach, BioSC, and Drazerk.
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On June 20 2012 14:47 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 14:27 talismania wrote:
DropBear, who is Maju's partner? Why? Other reads?
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Same questions at hyaach, BioSC, and Drazerk. Lets wait until morning. Yes, I will probably survive til then. I would have won the lynch under normal rules today so I highly doubt scum will shoot me. If you have to try and work out what my reads are at this point you clearly are not reading my filter. Go read my last few posts. Then read them again. Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 14:40 HiroPro wrote:
Thinking about the blue role-has name thing a little more, I don't think we can say that DropBear's claim is fake just based on him not having a name. For two reasons: 1. It's entirely possible that some blue roles have names and certain other roles don't., 2. Scum are almost given fakeclaims, especially in setups like this. If every blue role has a name, the scum fakeclaim would probably also have a name. I'm not a blue i'm a green. I don't think I'm cool enough to have a name.
Why wait? Scum are going to be shooting into me/deconduo maybe acrofales+hiro the info you provide by discussing your reads won't affect anything.
Also I just checked your filter for your other reads and all I see is stuff on Nisani with a hint of strongandbig. I'm tired of people just talking about Nisani in this game - what do you think of everyone else?
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Ok a note on the king/setup business.
If KB was king, he knew he was king. There can't have been any of this "he didn't know he was king" stuff because his role PM outright says that he gets told who the king is.
My new theory is that the king's vote doesn't outright determine the vote, but the king gets to choose whose vote does. In this world, the king was cool with getting rid of dropbear and saw that kb was definitely going to vote for him, therefore he picked KB. Then at the last minute KB tried to get nisani killed with the switch onto himself (KB probably figured nisani for the MA and was trying to meet his wincon, it's really the only explanation for that switch) but ended up dying.
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@Drazerk I am powerless now but I still would be a decent night kill because I'm not getting lynched anytime soon and I'm driving a lot of discussion.
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BioSC you look hilariously scummy.
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@ghost... what? I kinda believed his claim since the part about hiropro made complete sense given how paranoid fourface was about hiro at the beginning of D1. What are you?
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On June 21 2012 01:11 ghost_403 wrote:
Nisani
StrongAndBig
MajuGazett
KharadBanar
EschelonTee
Two of my best scum reads are already dead, GJ town.
I really don't like having to put ET on this list, given how much him and my predecessor fought it out, but I really don't like how he jumped around on his voting. Later, I'll look through some of his previous games to see how he votes as town. Also, never trust the guy who reports the votecounts.
Given a bullet, I would shoot Nisani in a heartbeat.
Well the three people on your list could be anti-town, but I doubt they're maju's partner. ET was all over Maju (and that makes no sense - bussing is stupid when there's only two of you), strongandbig said at the last minute before I shot that he preferred having maju shot over KB when he could easily have said the opposite (as many others did), and nisani has the extra wincon/losscon claim thing that seems to have been supported by other players and flips but was not in maju's pm.
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Acrofales - you said you were going to be ready to claim in full D2. Is that still in the cards? Do it on the deadline I'm worried you're going to have a hit put on you.
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BioSC?
ET must have been scum's hit.
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yeah ok I know flavor is just flavor but clearly scum shot ET and an SK (one other AMA?) hit BioSC.
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Thoughts on mass claim? I think there's just two anti-town left.
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On June 21 2012 03:22 Drazerk wrote:
Also we can confirm me, dec and tali was not framed which is cool
heh you keep saying this although it's still not necessarily true.
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ET was shot because he was clearly not Maju's partner and was likely not to be medic-protected.
Acro can you reveal now what your extra loss condition is and everything your pm says about king and MA?
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Acro I'm still wanting to hear what your extra loss condition and all the stuff in your pm about king and MA.
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Nisani is clearly MA? I don't understand this behavior from a scum perspective.
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On June 21 2012 05:03 Acrofales wrote:
I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm saying ET was killed by Maju's partner (the only KP we know exists). That could be 4F/ghost. 4F never really convinced me, but I haven't made up my mind either way yet. Just throwing this theory out there: ET could've been killed because he was on to something and the only real suspicion he had mentioned that wasn't generally held opinion is 4F/Ghost.
I know it's all wifom. I'm just throwing the theory out there before I look into ET and 4F/ghost's filter in detail.
This doesn't make sense because maju made his case D1 against fourface and was trying to get him lynched.
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Yeah I was surprised yours seemed to say more than mine (like that the MA picked the king etc). Your bonus might have been another shot. I figured that was your extra loss thing.
I don't understand Nisani's behavior from a town perspective either - he's seemed third party all game.
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