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On June 19 2012 21:37 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 21:30 Acrofales wrote:On June 19 2012 21:18 DropBear wrote:
How is my case on Nisani not substantial? He is running scared and defended a red. I always use big red letters in my accusations, as both mafia and town, read my past games.
Acrofales case still makes my head hurt. You voted for Majugarzett, maju flipped red, I unvoted you because of this. Apparently that makes me mafia these days sheesh.
So what I haven't mentioned Maju? I haven't mentioned like half the players in the game it's still day 1. It's that your reasoning seems to deliberately exclude any possible 3rd party, 2nd scumteam, etc, while what we know of the setup so far seems completely tailored to having 3rd parties or 2nd scumteam mechanics (and with the flip we have this pretty much confirmed: 2 scum seems highly unlikely). I can see no reason why a town player would be convinced that KB is no longer scummy based on the flip, given the setup of this game. Yet you claim to have been convinced that KB is not scum based on the flip. Why did the flip convince you that KB is town? IT DOESN'T CONVINCE ME. It makes it MORE LIKELY. You are dealing in absolutes. KB is still dodgy but it makes him LESS LIKELY to be mafia. Who gives a fuck if there is a second scum team? Scum is scum. I am hunting who I think is MORE LIKELY to be scum with Maju having flipped. How do we even know there is a second scum team? Do you know something that I don't? You seem pretty convinced that there are two
I'm pretty convinced that in a 15-player game there are more than 2 scum? Yes. Whether they're a team? I don't know. There may just be a large number of 3rd party out there.
You think it's likely that Nisani is on a scumteam with Maju? How does Nisani's claimed "extra wincon" fit with being scum with Maju? Or do you think he's lying? And got a lucky guess? Or scum was given alternative wincon roleclaims or something?
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On June 19 2012 21:42 DropBear wrote:
I am a Vengeful Townie. If I am lynched the last person to vote for me dies as well. Do your fucking worst.
strongandbig this is the singel worst post I have ever seen in Mafia ever and is also the biggest bandwagoning I have ever seen. How is an extra win/loss thing persuasive. Nisani claimed that he has an extra wincon. That's it. Not what it is. Not if it's benign or malicious. Just that he has an extra wincon. HOW THE FLYING FUCK DOES THAT CLEAR HIM?
He has claimed it is not in contradiction with town wincon too. The point is that it leaves the following possibilities:
1. Nisani is telling the truth about having extra win/loss conditions. That seems not to jibe with Maju's role pm, so they are not scum together.
2. Nisani is lying about having extra win/loss conditions. Nisani was the FIRST to claim he had extra conditions and he has done so in decent enough detail for now. That means:
a. He is scum with an incredibly lucky guess to say something that jibes with, at the very least, my own role pm (at least as far as extra loss conditions go).
b. He is scum and scum was provided with full false roleclaims to use... he then volunteered this info at a time when it wasn't strictly necessary.
c. He is not Maju's scumbuddy, but something else.
Out of these, (2c) seems by far the most likely to me.
Hmmm... interesting role claim. What is your name?
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On June 19 2012 21:48 DropBear wrote:
I THINK NISANI IS ON A SCUMTEAM WITH MAJU BECAUSE HE FUCKING DEFENDED MAJU HOW MUCH MORE CLEAR CAN I MAKE THIS
Is this your first game of mafia? Townies defend scum all the time. The whole point of mafia is that townies don't know who is scum and thus can be wrong about their reads.
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Was scum provided with false roleclaims?
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On June 19 2012 21:53 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 21:48 DropBear wrote:
I THINK NISANI IS ON A SCUMTEAM WITH MAJU BECAUSE HE FUCKING DEFENDED MAJU HOW MUCH MORE CLEAR CAN I MAKE THIS Is this your first game of mafia? Townies defend scum all the time. The whole point of mafia is that townies don't know who is scum and thus can be wrong about their reads.
EBWOP: not claiming Nisani is town, just making a general statement. I do think Nisani is not Maju's scumbuddy (unless scum is provided with false roleclaims, then it enters the realm of possibilities again).
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On June 19 2012 21:59 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 21:52 Acrofales wrote:On June 19 2012 21:42 DropBear wrote:
I am a Vengeful Townie. If I am lynched the last person to vote for me dies as well. Do your fucking worst.
strongandbig this is the singel worst post I have ever seen in Mafia ever and is also the biggest bandwagoning I have ever seen. How is an extra win/loss thing persuasive. Nisani claimed that he has an extra wincon. That's it. Not what it is. Not if it's benign or malicious. Just that he has an extra wincon. HOW THE FLYING FUCK DOES THAT CLEAR HIM? He has claimed it is not in contradiction with town wincon too. The point is that it leaves the following possibilities: 1. Nisani is telling the truth about having extra win/loss conditions. That seems not to jibe with Maju's role pm, so they are not scum together. 2. Nisani is lying about having extra win/loss conditions. Nisani was the FIRST to claim he had extra conditions and he has done so in decent enough detail for now. That means: a. He is scum with an incredibly lucky guess to say something that jibes with, at the very least, my own role pm (at least as far as extra loss conditions go). b. He is scum and scum was provided with full false roleclaims to use... he then volunteered this info at a time when it wasn't strictly necessary. c. He is not Maju's scumbuddy, but something else. Out of these, (2c) seems by far the most likely to me. Hmmm... interesting role claim. What is your name? Please link me to where it is that Nisani claimed his extra win-loss conditions first. Show me where it actually happened.
You could just go over his filter, it's not that hard, but okay:
+ Show Spoiler [Here] +On June 19 2012 05:10 Nisani201 wrote:Alright so I've just read through the thread and I have no idea why people are saying that my play is strange or weird or whatever. I don't know why people are getting away with soft-calling me scum (I'm looking at you, talis) and no one is really posting reasoning There is Hyaach's analysis on me, which is pretty bad. Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 16:23 Hyaach wrote:Nisani201. People find it wierd to ally so fast with a house without any information from it? On June 17 2012 05:00 Nisani201 wrote:On June 17 2012 04:47 talismania wrote:
KharadBanar and Nisani206
Why did you ally with HiroPro? Because I prefer to make friends, not enemies. Only people that wants friends are scum/third parties. Towns can credit themselves cred by scum hunting. Scum/third parties are lazy and lack this advantage. Alright, I agree that I didn't explain myself very well in that post and it looks pretty bad, but I'll try to explain it now. My main understanding of the "house chezinu" mainly came from Merc Mini 2 where I played with Chezinu, and he was acting very similar to Hiro's play in this game. In that game Chezinu was a bulletproof SK and I figured that it was very likely Hiro had a lot of power. I didn't want to get stuck in some stupid feud with a third party when I could have been scumhunting. Furthermore, I didn't really see any downside to allying with the House... and no one has pointed one out; people have been saying that this kind of affiliation with it is scummy but I don't really see why that is. Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 16:23 Hyaach wrote:On June 17 2012 07:22 Nisani201 wrote:
I highly doubt that there are any vanilla roles such as "serial killer" in this game. Why discredit the existence of a 3rd party be it a group or 1 single individual? This is a crazy game and it has crazy roles... I know that I have a crazy role, not sure about others but my experience with crazy games suggests that most people are going to have crazy roles as well. Why the hell did you include this in your analysis? Did you run out of posts that you thought were actually scummy? This entire case is forced, and this part of it proves it to me. Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 16:23 Hyaach wrote:On June 18 2012 06:43 Nisani201 wrote:
Some other points to make:
If you are the "king" then you should claim that you are, as well as the powers you have.
I also don't like the case on Maju On June 18 2012 07:19 Nisani201 wrote:
I think the source of a lot of confusion surrounding the monarch stuff is because talis/acro aren't making good distinctions between what is fact (established in the role pm) and what is speculation. Could you two be more specific? Why are you so interested in the King and the specific set up? Do they have anything to do with your win-con? Once again more blatant and pointless speculation. A lot of people are talking about the king. Because 2 people (and probably more) already have information on it it seems like it's a very important mechanic in this game. Information is especially important in a game like this where we have so little information about the setup and anything can happen. Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 16:23 Hyaach wrote:On June 17 2012 10:09 Nisani201 wrote:
What information is revealed upon death? With 0 KP last night and KB who is buddy-buddying you is in the spotlight. Are you afraid his death will reveal existence of your 3rd party set up? What the hell is this? I ask a question to the host and now you're spinning it and making up bullshit. There are a million reasons why I could have asked this question, and you pull one out of the hat to match the opinion of Hiro and a few others that I am 3P.
On June 19 2012 05:18 Nisani201 wrote:
Why do you want me to claim?
I have a crazy role, not alignment. I do have an opportunity for an "extra win" and an "extra loss," but you guys don't have to worry about those because they are pro-town objectives.
This is after knowledge of the MA and king was given out, but nobody had mentioned alternative wincons, except deconduo's speculation on kingmaker + assassin.
As an extra crumb we have this:
On June 19 2012 05:46 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 05:44 talismania wrote:On June 19 2012 05:39 Nisani201 wrote:
Why do you keep asking me these questions? Because I want to know? And I have a gun? Do you know of any other factions? If your wincon is town-aligned, then maybe us in town can help you out. Did your pm contain any info on the king and MA at all? No I don't know about any other factions, and my role PM didn't have any information about monarchs or monarchist activist.
So he claims his extra wincon/losscon are independent of the M.A. and king mechanic in the game. I am very hesitant to believe this bit, though.
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Yo DropBear, mr vengeful townie (don't believe you). What is your name?
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On June 19 2012 22:54 strongandbig wrote:
He means your role name herp derp
Fairly certain this is him claiming he doesn't have a role name... which cause me to not believe his claim. But we're losing track of the bigger picture.
SnB: what do you think of Nisani? You say you don't think he's Maju's partner... so is he some 3rd party? Or town? Same question regarding KB.
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On June 19 2012 20:49 EchelonTee wrote:
Vote Count: (in order of voting)
Nisani (5): dropbear, xsksc, hiropro, deconduo, Hyaach
xsksc (3): nisani, tali, ET
DropBear (4): Drazerk, Acro, KB, SnB
KharadBanar (1): BioSC
EchelonTee (1): FourFace
Updated.
HiroPro, xsksc: why are you voting for Nisani?
FourFace: do you think your vote on ET is doing any good? Out of the realistic lynch candidates (hint: they are Nisani, xsksc, DropBear and I'd see KB as an outsider candidate) who do you want dead?
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On June 20 2012 01:52 talismania wrote:
so.
anyone else think kb and nisani are both third party and have some sort of immunity against this possible vengeance thing?
No, I think the lack of a name is because DropBear is LYING about his roleclaim and nobody is afraid of getting avenged.
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On June 19 2012 21:54 Acrofales wrote:
Was scum provided with false roleclaims?
Also Votecount please?
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On June 20 2012 02:16 Drazerk wrote:
Wait why do you guys have names?
Drazerk, you have your vote on DropBear and I'm too lazy to look through your filter for a motivation. What made you think he's scum before his bogus roleclaim?
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WTF are these shenanigans:
On June 20 2012 02:59 KharadBanar wrote:##Unvote: DropBear##Vote: KharadBanarHello Nisani 
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Lol. So why the hell are we voting?
Also: great job, Mr. King! Killing anti-town 3rd party is awesome. This also gives us more info on the MA and king deal!
Now, can we kill DropBear please?
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On June 20 2012 03:06 talismania wrote:
Uh.
How does vengeful townie work again? I was under the impression that dropbear was supposed to die.
Or else a vote manipulation power was employed.
Fairly certain that what happened is the vote was a completely bogus mechanic that had us running around in circles.
It also makes it DOUBLE CONFIRMED that DropBear's roleclaim was completely bogus: if there's no lynch, then there's also no vengeful townie mechanic.
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On June 20 2012 03:06 HiroPro wrote:
So, this means the king and MA are probably on our side I think. And a new king gets picked every day?
That's what I said in N0 based on my role pm, but then nobody believed me.
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On June 20 2012 02:57 FourFace wrote:
FourFace to the rescue. I am If you guys have read the pre-game discussion it should come as no surprise that I'm bulletproof. Well, I'm the Insane Bulletproof Detective, at least that's what I think because Hiro returned anti-town.
I am offering you guys my service in the form of a shield, meaning i'll be the last one to vote DropBear. My role PM clearly states that I can only be killed as the consequence of a lynch and another thing which I won't tell for the sake of my own safety.
I am claiming now because this role is imba and scum can't touch me.. it is a bit gay actually but I'll make the best of it.
##Vote: DropBear
I don't have a strong scum read on him but he's going to get lynched anyway.
If your sanity is in question, I suggest you check DropBear tonight... that should give you more info on whether you're sane, insane or paranoid.
Of course, I'm not sure I believe this roleclaim. A bulletproof cop seems retardedly powerful.
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On June 20 2012 03:10 FourFace wrote:
KB was the king obviously .. king dies every day. Sad
In that case KB's role pm is a bit strange. But it is a possibility... but only if the MA is not town, but a survivor-type deal. It doesn't go specifically against my role pm for that to be true, but it would be a VERY strange setup.
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On June 20 2012 03:18 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 03:16 Zephirdd wrote:
Every flavor is just flavor.
Also Drazerk, you did not. So the king didn't decide the lynch??? But then why did KB die...
Hrmmm... canthe now ex-king please speak up? I presume you are no longer in danger of evil assassins, because you're no longer king...
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Can we get the final votecount please? Will this show any voting shenanigans such as politicians or double voters?
It would be hilarious if KB's voteswitch caused him to get himself lynched.
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