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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:39 Acrofales wrote: No. Because it would tell you your scumbuddies and Talismania would NOT be among them, therefore with that wording you would be completely safe. That logic makes no sense | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18064 Posts
I missed that. Okay, that means we learned even LESS than I thought from that pointless exercise in futility. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:40 Acrofales wrote: I missed that. Okay, that means we learned even LESS than I thought from that pointless exercise in futility. If you think we learned nothing you really need to learn how to play mafia. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
Ok given what deconduo wanted me to originally post, he can't be scum. Otherwise it would have come back a lie, and I would have shot him (and he would know that) in order to prove that he was the liar. So he is town. Drazerk could be anything still. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:34 deconduo wrote: As I said I'm pretty sure all 3 of us are town, assuming talis actually uses his shot before we all die of old age. There is a good chance all three are town. However - none of you are 100% confirmed, which you could be. I was just thinking about this again. Look at it using logic. If one of the statements is false, then knowing that the overall statement is false, gives us literally no information about the other two statements. Based on the way you all acted around the time of the statement, I think you are town. However, either Talismania or Drazerk could be scum. Look at their actions: - Drazerk was being a troll and a moron, and hadn't read his PM apparently. Therefore, his actions give us no information about his alignment. - Talismania wouldn't just post the thing you wanted him to, even though it was painfully obvious what was going on. Other than that, I think Talismania is probably town, but he or Drazerk could still be scum. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:41 deconduo wrote: If you think we learned nothing you really need to learn how to play mafia. We learned something decon, but that was not the best way to use that power. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18064 Posts
It does. If you were scum and Tali were town, you would know Tali is not on your scumteam and hence probable town. A tiny bit of looking at the thread would make that even more probable. Now lets go back to the logic: Statements: A = drazerk is town B = deconduo is town C = talismania is town Theory: A & B & ~C Theory is FALSE, so we know: ~(A & B & ~C) = ~A | ~B | C This statement is true if any one of the following is true: ~A = Drazerk is not town ~B = Deconduo is not town C = Talismania is town Because you would already know C, that would make it completely safe for you. If it's still not clear, replace "Talismania is not town" in the checked post with "Pigs can fly". Because pigs can, in fact, not fly, anything else in the post is irrelevant: it will be marked as false. However, this is all academic, because Deconduo derped even more than I thought and we learned NOTHING from the whole ordeal. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:47 Acrofales wrote: It does. If you were scum and Tali were town, you would know Tali is not on your scumteam and hence probable town. A tiny bit of looking at the thread would make that even more probable. Now lets go back to the logic: Statements: A = drazerk is town B = deconduo is town C = talismania is town Theory: A & B & ~C Theory is FALSE, so we know: ~(A & B & ~C) = ~A | ~B | C This statement is true if any one of the following is true: ~A = Drazerk is not town ~B = Deconduo is not town C = Talismania is town Because you would already know C, that would make it completely safe for you. If it's still not clear, replace "Talismania is not town" in the checked post with "Pigs can fly". Because pigs can, in fact, not fly, anything else in the post is irrelevant: it will be marked as false. However, this is all academic, because Deconduo derped even more than I thought and we learned NOTHING from the whole ordeal. Yea but ultimately Drazerk and decon both acted townie (I find it really hard to believe that a scum Drazerk would actually risk having a power like that used on something he said). And thus the logical assumption is that talismania is also town. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:47 Acrofales wrote: It does. If you were scum and Tali were town, you would know Tali is not on your scumteam and hence probable town. A tiny bit of looking at the thread would make that even more probable. Now lets go back to the logic: Statements: A = drazerk is town B = deconduo is town C = talismania is town Theory: A & B & ~C Theory is FALSE, so we know: ~(A & B & ~C) = ~A | ~B | C This statement is true if any one of the following is true: ~A = Drazerk is not town ~B = Deconduo is not town C = Talismania is town Because you would already know C, that would make it completely safe for you. If it's still not clear, replace "Talismania is not town" in the checked post with "Pigs can fly". Because pigs can, in fact, not fly, anything else in the post is irrelevant: it will be marked as false. However, this is all academic, because Deconduo derped even more than I thought and we learned NOTHING from the whole ordeal. Statement C was "talismania is not town" btw. It's clear to me that deconduo should be town unless he's really dumb. Drazerk did initially write three statements that said he was town, dec was town, and I was a day vig, but deconduo did not elect to do that, and instead made him type what he did. Drazerk's statement if checked would have been incredibly incriminating against him had it come back a lie, and I would have shot him. So it makes the most sense that he is town as well. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18064 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:45 strongandbig wrote: There is a good chance all three are town. However - none of you are 100% confirmed, which you could be. I was just thinking about this again. Look at it using logic. If one of the statements is false, then knowing that the overall statement is false, gives us literally no information about the other two statements. Based on the way you all acted around the time of the statement, I think you are town. However, either Talismania or Drazerk could be scum. Look at their actions: - Drazerk was being a troll and a moron, and hadn't read his PM apparently. Therefore, his actions give us no information about his alignment. - Talismania wouldn't just post the thing you wanted him to, even though it was painfully obvious what was going on. Other than that, I think Talismania is probably town, but he or Drazerk could still be scum. To be fair, I also wouldn't have copied what he posted blindly. Unfortunately I have more reservations about Drazerk, ESPECIALLY if he, as claimed, has not read his role PM. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18064 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:51 talismania wrote: Statement C was "talismania is not town" btw. It's clear to me that deconduo should be town unless he's really dumb. Drazerk did initially write three statements that said he was town, dec was town, and I was a day vig, but deconduo did not elect to do that, and instead made him type what he did. Drazerk's statement if checked would have been incredibly incriminating against him had it come back a lie, and I would have shot him. So it makes the most sense that he is town as well. Hence the squiggle: it means strong negation in logic. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
I was pretty sure talis was neutral or 3rd party. None of his actions pointed towards him being town. If the statement showed up as true, we had 2 confirmed towns and we killed talis. If instead I had posted that all 3 of us were town and it turned up false, we would be in the exact same situation. We would lynch talis, and assuming he flipped non-town, it would give no information on either mine or drazerk's alignment. Operating on the assumption that talis was not town, given how he was avoiding posting what I had asked, the statement tested was the best one to go for. And yes, while none of the 3 of us are 100% confirmed, we are 95% town. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
Deconduo, who should I shoot? | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote: Who ever you shoot I am placing a 30 min clock on it T_T Relax as much as I hate to say it I don't think I'm going to shoot you. God if you're scum... | ||
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