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On June 18 2012 06:44 FourFace wrote:
Well how would you have done that anyway.. You wouldn't have known who tried to join in the first place (probably no one, evidently) but how exactly would you have kept the illusion of House Chezinu alive without any sort of palpable change like a mason circle or host confirmation or anything? I'm not saying you weren't scumhunting.. I'm not even saying you're anti-town. I just think you lied to us at least twice, that's all.
It was a one-way street: the applicants submitted information but I wouldn't actually have had to do anything with them. I could be free to just post random flavor and talk about how certain people were enemies of House Chezinu and needed to be exterminated. As scum, I would probably have gotten access to certain information, which I could talk about as being from the Knowledge Archives. Would people have eventually caught on? Sure, but it wouldn't really matter if I screwed up the game enough.
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On June 18 2012 07:09 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 06:42 HiroPro wrote:
deconduo, what do you think about KB and MajuGarzett? I think Hiro pointed out that people who allied with Chezinu were probably scum/survivors but I disagree. Wanting to increase your survival chances is a town trait for people who feel they have a good blue role, especially docs/cops. As for the individual people: Maju hasn't posted a whole lot but I see nothing wrong with what he's said so far. His response to Hiro's accusations made sense, and he seems pretty solid so far. He hasn't set of any alarms on my end anyway. KB on the other hand isn't looking so hot. Apart from the initial stuff with House Chezinu, his response to suspicions has been textbook newb scum, apologetic and non-confrontational. Townies tend to be more agressive against accusations because they KNOW they are innocent, whereas scum tend to try and compensate because they feel inherently guilty. Show nested quote +SO. I'm back.
Yesterday, I basically did a huge derp and didn't think about the consequences of joining House Chezinu. I did this not once, but on three different occasions. I realise this makes me look really scummy, so I'm going to explain again my whole train of thought why I did what I did.
I never considered the House to be made up by HiroPro although in hindsight it seems kinda obvious the mods wouldn't have made a faction that hard to balance. Definitely red flags going off here, one to watch out for.
Hm, I didn't think of it like that. Nisani may not be a third party/survivor then.
Yea, I agree with you that KB looks really defensive. And he didn't really push his hyaach read at all. talismania, do you want to shoot KB for us?
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There are some people who are saying that we should be focusing on lynching third parties. This is flat-out wrong and blatantly anti-town. This is what scum want - they want us to lynch third parties during the day and then they can night-kill townies.
Third parties would be neutral in this setup; it doesn't matter how many of them are alive as long as we kill everyone who is anti-town.
Anti-town will have a clear motivation (to focus the lynch on townies or third parties). Third parties will only care about whatever their objective is and their own life.
I think KB and Nisani201 are linked survivors of some kind (if you look at Bastard 1, the survivor roles could win by not only surviving themselves but also having someone else live). This would explain why they are so close together (KB decided to form an alliance with House Chezinu right after Nisani201, while Nisani201 has defended KB in a nonsensical manner) and why the cases they have put forth have been short and never followed up on (they simply don't care who gets lynched). And ultimately I don't see a reason why as scum they would be so open to forming an alliance with House Chezinu.
If someone wants to shoot them, go right ahead. They're clearly not helping town. But I think we should be focusing on other targets for our lynch.
On June 18 2012 20:59 FourFace wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Reflections regarding EchelonTee; 1) ETs first 11 posts are all about House Chezinu cheers, more specifically on and off about it being a cult or not.. like playing ping pong with my patience = the ball, and him and Drazerk the players. I call it scum pong that can, at it's finest, make you want to slit your wrist while trying to read the thread like in LVI Toad vs VE. He says he called it as trolling but he simply enumerated all the possibilities not definitely opting for either. He also states the intention of being part of a mason circle that anyone can join and is being established on n0 - which means you have no clue about the alignment of the players yet and thus it's very likely that scum join the circle. Technically it's not a mason circle and one is supposed to be weary and cautious upon joining under these particular circumstances but the fact that he takes the words mason circle in his mouth and repeatedly chews it over is scummy imo A town player would see the lack of benefit in this whole endeavor and stfu about it. 2) On June 17 2012 22:55 EchelonTee wrote:
I'm not feeling KB quite yet, I'd say 201 is a better lynch. Thoughts? That's pathetic 3) 13th post About House Chezinu (hiccup+burp, excuse me) again but this time pay attention and think for a minute On June 17 2012 22:58 EchelonTee wrote:
well, I'm not sending my alignment to anyone as an application or whatever the hell, so if that's the actual way to join, then I'm not joining. If it's a mason circle, I want to be part of it. Simple as that. Call me scum for that if you want, I want more info on this whole she-bang. ET is so into mason circles, right? But here is the perfect opportunity to have a clean mason circle with no scum in it unless they claim scum via the application. I mean you send your application to the mods.. they announce your role and wincon in the circle and then you're good to chat among fellow confirmed townies but instead this is exactly what he doesn't want because as scum he would drop his disguise for what? A couple of third parties and townies because the MA wouldn't be so stupid to join and reveal himself like that and at this point ET must've also come to this conclusion. TL;DR: ET says he wants in on a potentially corrupted to hell mason circle but when the perspective arises to be in a perfectly sanitized pro-town mason circle he changes his mind. 4) projected moraleOn June 18 2012 00:17 EchelonTee wrote:
this game was a lot more fun about 8 pages ago, sad I missed out I've read somewhere that scum always points out the negative aspects is one of those times. He's saying this game sux, you all suck you are boring for fucks sake entertain me. This + the scum pong with Drazerk is reason enough for me to vote for you, because these passive and subtle blows to morale outweigh any active trolling attempts in harmfulness. 5) there is no mafia faction lolololo - which someone said scum would want town to believe and I agree. Also in the same post a half-ass accusation of Maju because he is trending. On June 18 2012 03:10 EchelonTee wrote:
if no one claims save, then I guess no mafia faction lolololol
totally called it that Chezinu was fake :p
Maju looks scummy, yah; he looked a lot like that in TL LV. I needa see if he has any older games where he's town.
-His first newbie scum game when he was town, he was more forthright and called people scum and stuff, unlike this game. Not a bad lynch, looks scummy. 6) So basically he thinks he can get away with voting for those who other made cases against and are the most talked about suspicion-wise. On June 18 2012 11:29 EchelonTee wrote:
I support either a KB lynch or a Maju lynch. I read one of KB's newbie town game and he actually sounded townie and stuff.
Do people not think Maju is scummy?
Gay, and lazy and careless imo. ##Vote: EchelonTee
This is a good case against ET. ET obviously cares about the lynch as he is comfortable throwing out a list of people he finds weird. But he doesn't pressure these people, he doesn't make any substantiated reads on any of them, he doesn't make cases.
In the beginning of the game he tried to lead the discussion into useless stuff about the way Toad played in LV. He says that he wants to join a mason circle without revealing his alignment. This is scummy; all he wants is to influence others. He speculates that there may not even be mafia in this game: S&B and FourFace are right: this is what mafia want us to think.
He talks about fulfilling his town meta by being accused. He's trying to defend himself without actually saying anything or without going after FourFace.
This is not town play at all, especially for ET. Look at his filter in Magic:The Gathering Mini Mafia. ET is very aggressive early on, extremely keen on pressuring people, and actually provides reasoning when he calls people suspicious. That is not how he has played this game.
##Vote: EchelonTee
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MajuGarzett, get in here and give me some reads. The way you responded to me was townie, but that doesn't mean you can just lurk all day and avoid scumhunting.
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On June 19 2012 02:08 Drazerk wrote:
Focusing on third party != focusing on lynching third party
That is all
On June 18 2012 23:29 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 19:25 Acrofales wrote:
as I am leaning increasingly towards some third party role for KB, which may or may not be anti-town, but is probably not (pure) scum.
In this sort of game, I want to kill 3rd party even more, given that to win we have to remove all anti-town elements, which 3rd party/SK definitely falls under. For all we know, there might not even be "pure" scum in this game.
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Who do you think is scum in this game, Drazerk.
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On June 19 2012 03:22 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 03:15 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2012 03:14 Acrofales wrote:
That you haven't read your role pm is about as true as that you had to sheep my vote in Holy Roman. I really dislike the way you're playing and you are definitely not helping town with it.
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##vote Drazerk You keep mentioning holy roman Read all my games Realize what meta is going to do for you Point me to a recent, relevant, game in which you were town. I have read WaW2 and you played very differently. For one, you were verbose and not posting irritating 1-liners. I have read Aperture, but you weren't town and were killed D1. So yeah, start pointing. Also, lets assume you're telling the truth and you haven't read your role PM. We know you're not the MA, because a king was chosen. If we assume the MA is town, that makes you by far the best option for a RNG policy lynch, because the odds of you being town are less than for anybody else. Given that you are ensuring that any read on you is about as useful as a RNG policy lynch on you would be, this is an excellent choice for us D1! Added bonus: we get rid of a confirmed troll, who is clearly not intending to contribute this game.
We lynch people who are scum. Drazerk may be a troll but I agree with most of his reads, and he is clearly reading and giving out his opinions.
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I made the case on Maju lol. I've read his filter; but he responded okay to me, and I think it's more likely that he's a survivor than scum.
And we played together in MTG. That's not the way you're playing this game.
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On June 18 2012 06:31 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 06:13 HiroPro wrote:On June 18 2012 05:59 MajuGarzett wrote:On June 18 2012 02:59 HiroPro wrote:MajuGarzett:If you look at MajuGarzett's filter, he's posted several times throughout the game. He's not actually concerned with finding scum, though. He spends almost all of his time asking about what abilities and information you can get from being a member. He doesn't try to determine my alignment; all he's concerned about is what he can gain from joining. On June 17 2012 11:07 MajuGarzett wrote:On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote:On June 17 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote:
I should read the thread but that is too much effort ... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_- Is anyone else around atm? The thread's gone pretty quiet, let's try and get some constructive discussion going. I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game. Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear. Well allying such a shady group is weird but there's no real downside to it as the alliance is so far just empty words. I can see why they did it. Honestly I think that the house won't really do anything to help Nisani and KB. The most telling part of MajuGarzett's filter though is where he responds to xsksc. MajuGarzett doesn't try to analyze the behavior of Nisani or KB. All he does is say "Oh, I don't think the house will help them". He's not interested in making a clear statement on what he thinks about House Chezinu (beyond trying to quietly discredit it). He's posting for the sake of posting. MajuGarzett isn't scumhunting; he's only concerned about himself. He's scum.
I wasn't just concerned with what I could gain from joining. I was concerned with what anyone could gain from joining. By knowing more about the house it allows for better reads on anyone who allied with or applied to the house. On the second point by use of extrapolation, we can see that by saying "I can see why they did it" I also meant " I don't find them scummy for wanting an alliance" which is a response to xsksc's question. It wasn't just posting for the sake of posting. Explain this to me. You first say that by learning more about the house, you can make a better read on anyone. But I didn't give out anything really; so what specifically about their behavior makes you say you don't find them scummy? And those two statements are not the same thing: one is a fairly meaningless buddy-buddy statement, while the other is a clear opinion. Well I wanted to get info to make reads but obviously that didn't work out. Being bereft of such detailed info, I felt that KB and 201 being curious about the house and wanting to be privy to any resources it had without being roped into anything that could be bad for town wasn't particularly scummy as I felt scum would probably distance themselves from such a shady organization.
No but this is.
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Shoot MajuGarzett, he's not town and ET is using his existence as an excuse for doing nothing.
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Read the entire conversation - He said that he didn't find them scummy.
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No one. That's why he's a survivor, and not town.
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On June 19 2012 04:19 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 04:17 HiroPro wrote:
No one. That's why he's a survivor, and not town. How can you be so fraggen sure that he's survivor and not scum? It's not as though scum dislike making cases on people. It's not as though he acted exactly like this game in another game he was scum. It's not as though he looks like scum, and the only reason why the word "survivor" even comes up is that the last bastard game was chock full of them.
In Holy Roman, when he was accused, he called several other people scum and started voicing his opinion on lynches. He's so scared that he hasn't done anything this game; that suggests he's a survivor.
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On June 19 2012 04:29 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 04:23 HiroPro wrote:On June 19 2012 04:19 EchelonTee wrote:On June 19 2012 04:17 HiroPro wrote:
No one. That's why he's a survivor, and not town. How can you be so fraggen sure that he's survivor and not scum? It's not as though scum dislike making cases on people. It's not as though he acted exactly like this game in another game he was scum. It's not as though he looks like scum, and the only reason why the word "survivor" even comes up is that the last bastard game was chock full of them. In Holy Roman, when he was accused, he called several other people scum and started voicing his opinion on lynches. He's so scared that he hasn't done anything this game; that suggests he's a survivor. Oo meta? He acted exactly like that in TL LV TL LV: looks scummy, posts like 1 accusation in a 5 full day cycles HolyRo: looks scummy, calls people scum Bastard2: looks scummy....... Hmm, evidence suggests that when Maju is scummy.... he's scum! holy balls! Btw, you still haven't unvoted me. You really think you're going to mislynch me today?
Are you scared of being lynched? Show me that you're town.
There were no survivors in either of those games; your argument is trash. Not to mention that he hasn't called anyone scum, when he does do that when under pressure as scum.
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On June 19 2012 04:36 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 04:35 HiroPro wrote:On June 19 2012 04:29 EchelonTee wrote:On June 19 2012 04:23 HiroPro wrote:On June 19 2012 04:19 EchelonTee wrote:On June 19 2012 04:17 HiroPro wrote:
No one. That's why he's a survivor, and not town. How can you be so fraggen sure that he's survivor and not scum? It's not as though scum dislike making cases on people. It's not as though he acted exactly like this game in another game he was scum. It's not as though he looks like scum, and the only reason why the word "survivor" even comes up is that the last bastard game was chock full of them. In Holy Roman, when he was accused, he called several other people scum and started voicing his opinion on lynches. He's so scared that he hasn't done anything this game; that suggests he's a survivor. Oo meta? He acted exactly like that in TL LV TL LV: looks scummy, posts like 1 accusation in a 5 full day cycles HolyRo: looks scummy, calls people scum Bastard2: looks scummy....... Hmm, evidence suggests that when Maju is scummy.... he's scum! holy balls! Btw, you still haven't unvoted me. You really think you're going to mislynch me today? Are you scared of being lynched? Show me that you're town. There were no survivors in either of those games; your argument is trash. Not to mention that he hasn't called anyone scum, when he does do that when under pressure as scum. META CAN CHANGE
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On June 19 2012 04:37 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 04:35 HiroPro wrote:On June 19 2012 04:29 EchelonTee wrote:On June 19 2012 04:23 HiroPro wrote:On June 19 2012 04:19 EchelonTee wrote:On June 19 2012 04:17 HiroPro wrote:
No one. That's why he's a survivor, and not town. How can you be so fraggen sure that he's survivor and not scum? It's not as though scum dislike making cases on people. It's not as though he acted exactly like this game in another game he was scum. It's not as though he looks like scum, and the only reason why the word "survivor" even comes up is that the last bastard game was chock full of them. In Holy Roman, when he was accused, he called several other people scum and started voicing his opinion on lynches. He's so scared that he hasn't done anything this game; that suggests he's a survivor. Oo meta? He acted exactly like that in TL LV TL LV: looks scummy, posts like 1 accusation in a 5 full day cycles HolyRo: looks scummy, calls people scum Bastard2: looks scummy....... Hmm, evidence suggests that when Maju is scummy.... he's scum! holy balls! Btw, you still haven't unvoted me. You really think you're going to mislynch me today? Are you scared of being lynched? Show me that you're town. There were no survivors in either of those games; your argument is trash. Not to mention that he hasn't called anyone scum, when he does do that when under pressure as scum. My arguement that when Maju is scummy he is likely to be scum is trash, right. Scared of being lynched? Lmao, you couldn't lynch me even if you were trying. It's funny how you try to sound confident and stuff, it's really cute.
You still haven't explained to me why he's scum and not a survivor.
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On June 19 2012 04:41 EchelonTee wrote:
I don't know whether he's scum or survivor. Usually, I just lynch scummy people when I see them. That a bad playstyle?
When you're not explaining anything, when you refuse to make proper reads, when you advocate scum positions, when you lightly defend yourself without saying anything, I call that being scum. Because this is clearly not the way you play as town.
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On June 19 2012 05:12 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 03:33 HiroPro wrote:On June 19 2012 03:22 Acrofales wrote:On June 19 2012 03:15 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2012 03:14 Acrofales wrote:
That you haven't read your role pm is about as true as that you had to sheep my vote in Holy Roman. I really dislike the way you're playing and you are definitely not helping town with it.
##unvote
##vote Drazerk You keep mentioning holy roman Read all my games Realize what meta is going to do for you Point me to a recent, relevant, game in which you were town. I have read WaW2 and you played very differently. For one, you were verbose and not posting irritating 1-liners. I have read Aperture, but you weren't town and were killed D1. So yeah, start pointing. Also, lets assume you're telling the truth and you haven't read your role PM. We know you're not the MA, because a king was chosen. If we assume the MA is town, that makes you by far the best option for a RNG policy lynch, because the odds of you being town are less than for anybody else. Given that you are ensuring that any read on you is about as useful as a RNG policy lynch on you would be, this is an excellent choice for us D1! Added bonus: we get rid of a confirmed troll, who is clearly not intending to contribute this game. We lynch people who are scum. Drazerk may be a troll but I agree with most of his reads, and he is clearly reading and giving out his opinions. Wait. What reads? You mean this: Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 02:16 Drazerk wrote:
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Acro Hiro Dec xsksc Hyaach This is not reads, this is looking through the thread and having a modicum of skill in picking up who looks scummy and who doesn't. This kind of post is a dime a dozen for scum. Other than that, what reads are you referring to?
Read his posts on S&B. He's spot-on. And I do agree with most of the categories he put people into.
On June 19 2012 05:17 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 03:39 HiroPro wrote:
I made the case on Maju lol. I've read his filter; but he responded okay to me, and I think it's more likely that he's a survivor than scum.
And we played together in MTG. That's not the way you're playing this game. I have no idea how Maju plays as town, but his defense to you was not decent. It gave a rather thin explanation for why he fired off questions at night, but he failed to do anything useful. Maju is looking scummy to me.
Fine, if you think Maju is scum, then lynch him. But I think he's a survivor.
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On June 19 2012 05:26 EchelonTee wrote:
DropBear is my secondary lynch preference.
Mind explaining?
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On June 19 2012 05:28 Nisani201 wrote:
So no one wants to share their opinion on xsksc?
No. Your case is bad.
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