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On June 17 2012 07:21 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 07:19 talismania wrote:On June 17 2012 07:17 HiroPro wrote:On June 17 2012 07:12 talismania wrote:
I have some setup info in my role PM that I can't figure out why I shouldn't share:
(1) There is a "King"
(2) There is a "Monarchist Activist"
(3) Several others of you know there's a Monarchist Activist, and some of you want to kill him. (so there's a wincon involving the death of the Monarchist Activist I'm guessing).
Mmm, so that's your wincon. Thanks for sharing! But you really should send stuff like that as part of your application. I'm not applying? My wincon is what I said it was, nothing more. To eliminate all anti-town forces. Nope. The Knowledge Archives say that the only win conditions people will receive in PMs is their own and those of people who share the same condition.
Oh I see what you're saying - my role PM does NOT say that there's a group of people who need the MA dead to win. It just makes it all but obvious by saying that some of the people who knows that he exists want him dead.
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On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote:
I should read the thread but that is too much effort ... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_- Is anyone else around atm? The thread's gone pretty quiet, let's try and get some constructive discussion going. I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game. Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear.
What's more interesting is that the idea of an "alliance" even existed, at least in Nisani's mind. My bet is that both of them are part of other "houses" or something. Third party, scum, whatever and knew from their role PMs that other houses exist and that house Chezinu was one of them. Dunno.
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Reading between the lines,
can we all agree that House Chezinu is supposed to be the rich merchant faction that's on no one's side blahblahblah? They probably have a vote-controlling power, given HiroPro's thing about them being powerful at lynches. So they can "buy" votes and therefore change the votecounts.
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On June 17 2012 11:47 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 05:15 KharadBanar wrote:On June 17 2012 04:50 DropBear wrote:Something about this post from KharadBanar seems a bit off. On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:
If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.
By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason. This is a whole bunch of filler really. You can say I don't want to join cos of lack of trust, why bother with the extended spiel about how giving info to scum is bad? Why crap on about how they can't tell everything? Are you trying to look like you are contributing? You also don't seem to be including yourself in the townies you speak of, are you a third party KB? Welp, there goes my "ignoring The HOUSE" stance, because I want to explain myself: I bother with the extended spiel about giving info to scum because I do not think everyone in this thread had realised this by then. The scum team would presumably be very interested in getting one (exactly one) of their players into The HOUSE so they can use him as an information link between all the players in The HOUSE and their own team. We (the town players) are all on our own until we join The HOUSE, but when we join The HOUSE to have a side conversation in there, that one scum player will be very happy to listen in on that and pass it on to his team mates. This is why I don't think that joining The HOUSE is advantageous to us. Finally, if we look at the extreme case where everyone but the anti-HOUSE players joins The HOUSE, we have a very weird situation where (I think) the Board of The HOUSE knows everyone's alignment but everyone else doesn't, and I have no idea who would profit from that but I don't want to try it out. I just wanted to "crap on about how they can't tell everything" because I thought about the issue and wanted to share my thoughts about it with you, which doesn't strike me as a very bad thing to do. Oh wow words words words this makes me think something is off about you even more. If we have any blues please kill/check him tonight.
Talismani, I don't have this information so are this king and monarchist activist person you speak of related or unrelated? My wikipedia search of what a monarchist activist is says that they support the crown, but may also support someone who has been deposed or rightfully belongs there Does the monarchist activist support the current King or another one? I am guessing another one, as you say some people need to kill the activist. It makes sense that the current King and his subjects would want any challengers dead. Furthermore, HiroPro I'm guessing you aren't the king himself but are allied with him/her?
I don't know anything other than that they exist, that other people know about the MA, and that some of the people that know about him are trying to kill him. Acrofales posted that it was his impression that the MA gets to select the king. I don't know if he just figured that out on his own or if that information was contained in his role pm.
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On June 17 2012 14:06 EchelonTee wrote:
Isn't House Chezinu that 5th party mason circle from Aperture Mafia? Which means they are the good guys?
That would explain Hiro's "portals to the past" remark.
Not sure it says anything about alignment. I'm betting neutral.
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can't decide if what I'm about to do is stupid or not. oh well. Let's have some fun!
I am a dayvig!
And I think I'm gonna shoot someone today!
Further details:
-I am a day vig, I get one shot and one shot only per game during a day phase.
-I don't expect to survive very long at night (notwithstanding the lack of KP N0) so I figure I might as well put my role to use now
What I'm going to do:
-shoot someone!
Who I'm going to shoot:
I will shoot from among the players that do not do one of the following:
(1) Make a long, well-reasoned case on a single player for why they should be lynched
(2) Provide short (two-three sentence) reads/thoughts on the other fourteen players in the game
(3) Provide some solid setup related info that can help the town. For instance - do you know who the King is? The Monarchist Activist? Speculation doesn't count for this one.
I promise you, if you decide not to comply with one of the above, you are at risk of being shot.
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My goal is simple here: get everyone to post as much solid information as possible. I don't expect to outright catch any scum with this, but I am going to make them post and make them take positions. I hope to generate a lot of information that can be used throughout the game, including information about how people react to this and who decides to participate and when.
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I will shoot whoever I think is scum. And that decision will be based on what cases and thoughts people post.
Consider this my way of enforcing policy lynching lurkers :-)
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I am claiming dayvig - I will prove it by using my ability. Rest assured of that. All you guys can do is ensure that you're not on the receiving end of my shot - can you win the game while dead? Didn't think so. So post those cases, impressions, or solid game info.
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@Acrofales: I was not made king to my knowledge. I did not survive a night hit.
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On June 18 2012 06:46 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 06:45 talismania wrote:
I am claiming dayvig - I will prove it by using my ability. Rest assured of that. All you guys can do is ensure that you're not on the receiving end of my shot - can you win the game while dead? Didn't think so. So post those cases, impressions, or solid game info.
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@Acrofales: I was not made king to my knowledge. I did not survive a night hit. Only third party can't win the game while dead Are you implying you're third party and think everyone else is?
Then I suppose the third party players should be especially worried.
I am not third party. I am town.
Point taken though I worded that sloppily - it's more accurate to say that you can't contribute to your win condition when dead.
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I've said all that I know:
Fact:
There is a king.
There is a Monarchist Activist
Others besides myself know about the MA
Some of those others want the MA dead.
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I don't know what Acro knows in addition to that. but it would be a great way for him to satisfy my condition number three if he posts it :-)
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I'm going to shoot whoever doesn't do something to fulfill my criteria. Right now that means I'll be shooting one of all of you at random.
Come on people lets see some cases/impressions/info
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People currently on my "has contributed and probably shouldn't be shot" list:
--Nisani206 for a case (albeit weak) on xsksc
--xsksc for his case on KB and defense of himself
People on my "I really want to shoot them just because" list:
--The twins of trolling, FourFace and Drazerk
People on my "hasn't met one of my conditions yet and is in danger of being shot as well" list:
--Everyone else.
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It's something I can consider. The upside is the information of who has pushed him and who hasn't etc which then informs the lynch. The downside is the loss of information by shooting early and losing the information that I would get from forcing others to post cases/impressions/info. It's not clear to me exactly what the right tradeoff is. I'm also not convinced kharadbanar is anti-town. I lean third party on him.
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On June 18 2012 10:02 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 10:00 talismania wrote:
It's something I can consider. The upside is the information of who has pushed him and who hasn't etc which then informs the lynch. The downside is the loss of information by shooting early and losing the information that I would get from forcing others to post cases/impressions/info. It's not clear to me exactly what the right tradeoff is. I'm also not convinced kharadbanar is anti-town. I lean third party on him. You think that third party =/= anti-town?
I don't know, true. But no one is distracting the discussion away from him, etc. Everyone has shit on him a little bit it seems. I think scum are happy to have him lynched. That's just my hunch.
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ET,
can you make a case on why you think Maju is scummy? I want to add more people to my do not shoot list :-)
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My impressions of everyone:
KharadBanar - third party survivor or something. The push on him has gone down way too easily in my opinion for him to be a part of moderately-large scum team. Everyone has wanted him lynched or has cast suspicion on him at some point.
Drazerk - trolls every game I guess. I want to shoot him so bad just to make a point but something doesn't seem right about that. I'm not convinced he's scum but I'm also convinced that whatever he's doing isn't being helpful. Thoughts?
strongandbig - Man I have been alternately tunneling this guy as scum and as null. Two things seem off to me. One is his change in demeanor from pregame to the actual game. He went from really excited/giddy to being sober/composed. His large posts are bit too carefully structured for my tastes. At the same time he's clearly paying a lot of attention to the game as shown by his apropos questions to people. The second thing is that I find the case on Drazerk somewhat facile.
HiroPro - lean town based on gut. He sounds genuine.
deconduo - Kinda want to shoot him too. He has been lurky, and has been only talking about game setup and past games and such. Make a case, dood.
Hyaach - Dunno. Null read but I'm wary of him.
Acrofales - Seems townie to me. The way he phrased his wincon matches well with what I would expect. That's kinda stupid I know but eh. His behavior in general does not seem scumlike.
EchelonTree - I flip between scum and null on him. He doesn't post that much but at the same time seems very comfortable. Strange.
Nisani201 - Something ain't right here. Guy does not seem townlike at all.
xsksc - Null/town. Seems to be playing from a town POV.
talismania - town
DropBear - I think acro makes a decent case against him, but I'm not completely convinced myself. Null.
BioSC - Who?
MajuGarzett - Null. I can't remember much about him other than that hiro and et have made opposition to him known.
FourFace - another trollish player. Also rather conspiracy-minded. For instance, assuming that I knew my plan would be shot down by the mods, assuming that Hiro was lying about saying that if he were scum he would have continued the House Chezinu ruse, shit like that. I think it's interesting that he cleaned up his act to make a case. Is he scared of being shot? Thoughts?
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On June 19 2012 03:57 EchelonTee wrote:
......a list? tali? .........................................................................
Did you play with me in space ship? I love impressions lists.
Working on narrowing down who I'm going to shoot now.
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People who should I shoot:
Drazerk
strongandbig
Nisani201
deconduo
FourFace
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On June 19 2012 04:10 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 04:09 talismania wrote:
People who should I shoot:
Drazerk
strongandbig
Nisani201
deconduo
FourFace
? Why Dec?
I want him to actually say something about someone in the game. Not talk about theoretical assassins and kingmakers.
People I know it's my decision to make. It was that from the beginning. All my bullshit about posting cases was just that - bullshit. But it has been useful, no? People have posted their cases and their reactions to the whole situation has been informative as well.
Right now I think Drazerk is the safe choice as his removal from the game can't really hurt even if he's medic or something because of his tendency towards disruptive trollishness etc. But as BioSC says it does seem almost like he wants to get shot. Interesting.
strongandbig is a risky shot. If he's scum, great. If he's not then we've lost a pretty engaged town player.
Nisani is a fairly safe shot but also rather lynchable.
FourFace I have found alternately scummy and just paranoid townie. The only thing he didn't get paranoid about was when I claimed dayvig (while other people were being paranoid about it). He seemed to believe it right away, and has since cleaned up his act and forced a case out. He may be the best shot.
That's where I am right now.
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On June 19 2012 04:20 Drazerk wrote:
Does anyone think Tali's answer was preprepared and possibly written for him?
TT so insulting. Do you want to be shot?
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Of course I'm trying to shoot scum =/
DropBear is an outside possibility as well. I don't think a KB shot would actually be that informative because almost everyone has put pressure on him. I suppose I can think about that some more.
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