Bastard Mafia 2 - Page 2

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 16 2012 22:13 GMT

#232

PS. If you want my paypal account to send me some of this weird thing you call money, so I can try it out some day, I will be happy to oblige.

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 16 2012 22:13 GMT

#233

On June 17 2012 07:12 talismania wrote:
I have some setup info in my role PM that I can't figure out why I shouldn't share:

(1) There is a "King"
(2) There is a "Monarchist Activist"
(3) Several others of you know there's a Monarchist Activist, and some of you want to kill him. (so there's a wincon involving the death of the Monarchist Activist I'm guessing).

Anyone have anything else?

That was the weird stuff I was talking about that I didn't really want to speak of at night.

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 16 2012 22:15 GMT

#236

Mainly because I didn't want to even mention the monarchist activist while unknown people with KP are running are running around and probably trying to find him to shoot him.

Insofar as I understand there is no king "yet", but the monarchist activist will make someone king at some point.

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 16 2012 22:17 GMT

#238

On June 17 2012 07:14 HiroPro wrote:

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Money lets you buy stuff and change rules. If you have some, you should send it to HiroPro, Director of Recruitment/Funding for House Chezinu, 5th Party.

This game has rules? What rules? What does money change about them?

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 16 2012 22:31 GMT

#248

Yeah, insofar as I can figure out, killing the MA would be a bad thing for town. I have no clue what he or the king are supposed to do. I am not going to discuss this further at night either.

In fact, I'm going to bed.

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 17 2012 06:32 GMT

#285

On June 17 2012 14:06 EchelonTee wrote:
Isn't House Chezinu that 5th party mason circle from Aperture Mafia? Which means they are the good guys?

As far as I know they were an actual scum faction before that. House Chezinu has been used for various different purposes in TL Mafia history, but I have not been around long enough to be able to say what its various uses have been. In any case, Chezinu being town in Aperture says nothing about their alignment in this game: it's a bastard game and equating roles with alignment is a bad idea.

So yeah, I don't trust House Chezinu and want more information about them.

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 17 2012 14:59 GMT

#315

On June 17 2012 22:55 EchelonTee wrote:
I'm not feeling KB quite yet, I'd say 201 is a better lynch. Thoughts?

Why? I'm not sold on a KB lynch... mainly because it's NIGHT, I don't see much of a reason to lynch Nisani except for his alliance with House Chezinu. Plenty of reason, but if that's what we're lynching for, KB allied AND gave a shitty scum-backpedalling explanation for why he did it.

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 17 2012 15:00 GMT

#316

On June 17 2012 22:58 EchelonTee wrote:
well, I'm not sending my alignment to anyone as an application or whatever the hell, so if that's the actual way to join, then I'm not joining. If it's a mason circle, I want to be part of it. Simple as that. Call me scum for that if you want, I want more info on this whole she-bang.

I also want more info. Hiro has promised to post more info at the day post. Why would you join before then?

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 17 2012 15:04 GMT

#317

On June 17 2012 23:45 strongandbig wrote:

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However, house chezinu was not a cult.

I don't see why you're so worried about this being a cult. Announcing their existence publicly would make no sense whatsoever, IMO.

The same holds for a mason circle: why claim at night? (and no, I don't buy the "it's mandatory" cop-out. Seen too many fake posting restrictions and other such shenanigans)

All I get from House Chezinu is extreme weirdness. Weirdness is stuff towns generally deal badly with. Hence House Chezinu is anti-town. They don't need to be a cult to be a crappy anti-town thing. HiroPro had better clarify what the fuck he's up to.

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 17 2012 16:02 GMT

#332

On June 18 2012 00:50 Drazerk wrote:
Oh and that my role will be changed at some point during the game because mods love doing that to me >.>

Stop working yourself into the pity role. You're scum and you know it.

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 17 2012 16:07 GMT

#334

On June 18 2012 01:04 Drazerk wrote:

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Maybe... who knows

You do.

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 17 2012 16:29 GMT

#336

I have a way to find out. We lynch you tomorrow. That way we know for sure that you're scum.

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 17 2012 17:34 GMT

#353

On June 18 2012 02:27 BioSC wrote:
Is it just me, or did the bastard voting thread say "votes before and after the deadline don't count"? *Phoenix Wright Point* I spy a conundrum!

You're right. I think what Zephirdd is trying to say is that votes don't count. I think Forumite may have gone wild with the part of Holy Roman where blue roles didn't have voting power (but did have to voice their vote). Hopefully they daypost will clarify what the hell is going on.

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 17 2012 18:00 GMT

#361

Okay. I will either be dead in 2 minutes, or I want to hear from you people! I'm quite happy with general activity so far: everybody has posted something and most people have actually commented on things pertinent to the game. This is actually better than 100% of the other games I've played in here!

That said, I have some specific problems that I want clarified!

BioSC:

On June 17 2012 04:39 BioSC wrote:

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If the last Bastard game was any indication, this will be a bit stranger than a normal game.

Speaking of this House Chezinu... You "guys" want a lot for giving not so much. Are you a mason group? Can you recruit?

I'm staying cautiously positive atm. Unless you guys have cupcakes to offer, then I may change my stance =D

This is a non-opinion wrapped in fancy text. Now that HiroPro has been posting a bit more, what do you think of Chezinu? What do you think of KB and Nisani's "alliance" with them? What do you think of Drazerk and my stances versus them?

Dropbear:

On June 17 2012 11:47 DropBear wrote:

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On June 17 2012 05:15 KharadBanar wrote:

On June 17 2012 04:50 DropBear wrote:
Something about this post from KharadBanar seems a bit off.

On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:
If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.
By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason.

This is a whole bunch of filler really. You can say I don't want to join cos of lack of trust, why bother with the extended spiel about how giving info to scum is bad? Why crap on about how they can't tell everything? Are you trying to look like you are contributing?

You also don't seem to be including yourself in the townies you speak of, are you a third party KB?

Welp, there goes my "ignoring The HOUSE" stance, because I want to explain myself:
I bother with the extended spiel about giving info to scum because I do not think everyone in this thread had realised this by then. The scum team would presumably be very interested in getting one (exactly one) of their players into The HOUSE so they can use him as an information link between all the players in The HOUSE and their own team. We (the town players) are all on our own until we join The HOUSE, but when we join The HOUSE to have a side conversation in there, that one scum player will be very happy to listen in on that and pass it on to his team mates.
This is why I don't think that joining The HOUSE is advantageous to us. Finally, if we look at the extreme case where everyone but the anti-HOUSE players joins The HOUSE, we have a very weird situation where (I think) the Board of The HOUSE knows everyone's alignment but everyone else doesn't, and I have no idea who would profit from that but I don't want to try it out.
I just wanted to "crap on about how they can't tell everything" because I thought about the issue and wanted to share my thoughts about it with you, which doesn't strike me as a very bad thing to do.

Oh wow words words words this makes me think something is off about you even more. If we have any blues please kill/check him tonight.

Talismani, I don't have this information so are this king and monarchist activist person you speak of related or unrelated? My wikipedia search of what a monarchist activist is says that they support the crown, but may also support someone who has been deposed or rightfully belongs there

Does the monarchist activist support the current King or another one? I am guessing another one, as you say some people need to kill the activist. It makes sense that the current King and his subjects would want any challengers dead.

Furthermore, HiroPro I'm guessing you aren't the king himself but are allied with him/her?

Did I miss something? What does HiroPro have to do with the king? Did he say something I missed?

What is your opinion on Chezinu? So far you've posted a lot of speculation about stuff and a light accusation of KB being "slightly off". Do you still have that opinion? Who do you think we should lynch D1?

Run out of time. KB and Nisani, I think both of you are scum.

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 17 2012 18:03 GMT

#363

Oooh, I just saw Hiro's post. I like the plan. I also like the Maju case.

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 17 2012 18:04 GMT

#365

We have a king! Who is king?

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 17 2012 18:05 GMT

#366

Unless the PM is late, I am claiming loyal citizen and not monarch (thank god... one bastard game of being king is enough).

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 17 2012 18:46 GMT

#375

Too early to tell. They might have limited KP like in the liar game. It definitely doesn't look like they used any KP last night... either there's a jailer/roleblocker who got incredibly lucky, Talismania got medic'd and shot, or mafia didn't shoot.

Now going to watch the match. GO HOLLAND!!!!

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 17 2012 20:40 GMT

#382

God. Holland is fucking terrible. What really galls me is that they didn't even manage to take the Portuguese with them on their way out. Thank god my new home is gonna rock this Eurocup and become the first team ever to win 2 euros in a row!

Anyway. Lets find some scum.

Someone asked about the monarchist activist/king thingy: I have said everything I know about the mechanic. I would really like to know who was made king.

Acrofales

Spain18100 Posts

June 17 2012 20:41 GMT

#383

@KB: I don't much like your case on Hyaach. Basically what you're saying is that he had the same ideas as you had, therefore he's scum, but you aren't. How about you are both scum?

And throw Nisani in there too: he did the same alliance crap build, transferring into lurking.

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