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Nisani, please vote for DB now! | ||
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Damn it, Nisani. Why are you afk. | ||
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Oh, DB, please be scum. | ||
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On June 23 2012 02:13 talismania wrote: It would be hilarious if deconduo is scum and almost completely got himself killed by asking me to post what I posted. Maybe that's how you win with scum, do something incredibly stupid and against your wincon, have it fail for completely accidental reasons, and then get enormous towncred when everyone figures out why you couldn't have done what you did if you were scum. Regardless it feels like we're lynching a townie but at least we get to see what nisani's role pm is I guess. It would actually be really funny if the game just ends because nisani already met a wincon once he dies O.O Maybe that's why he's keen on being offed. Agreed, but lynching Nisani is a waste of a lynch, other than discovering his role pm and getting rid of someone who can completely screw over town. He's playing like a 3rd party and I don't trust him to nominate a king in any way that helps town. So that means Maju's scumbuddy is hiding in these 4 people: DB, hyaach, ghost and xkslskls We HAVE to narrow this group down asap. As you said, the happy 3rd parties could flip to help scum at any time it suits their wincon better. The easiest way of finding scum in a group of scummy people is by lynching into them. In this case, it's basically a "free" lynch, because we HAVE to kill Nisani (or scum). If, at this point, Nisani was already dead, I would probably prefer to lynch ghost than any of the other people in the group (including DB), but killing ghost might just give us a survivor kill and leave Nisani alive to wreak havoc. I also have a tricky plan on how to narrow down the options at night, using the claimed roles. I need to think through all the implications, but I think it works out pretty well. I'll think it through and post it after the nightpost. And yes, DB, my reads tend to be pretty hit and miss. I'm working on learning to read people (in HR I was pretty good (except for Drazerk), in Newbie VIII I was terrible, as Hiro can attest. Those are my 2 most recent games). | ||
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So the following night actions allow us to eliminate some of the possibilities: xkksslsls checks Hyaach Hyaach roleblocks Ghost Lets go through the possible outcomes: If ghost is scum, then the NK is roleblocked (unless he's extra-lying about his role and he has an action in addition to his role, but this is true regardless of who is roleblocked. Regular scumhunting has to augment the role-based reads) If Hyaach is scum, then he is getting checked. If xksksksksc is roleblocked then Hyaach gets lynched, otherwise we take the cop info along in our scumhunting. That eliminates a number of scenarios. Lets go through the outcomes: 1. xllslsks says Hyaach is red and there is no NK: WIFOM central! Ignore everything and back to scumhunting 2. xñsñslñss says Hyaach is green and there is no NK: we lynch ghost and win the game 3. xkxklxlks says Hyaach is red and there is a NK: Hyaach and xksksks are prime suspects, ghost less so (but still possible) 4. xlxlxlx says Hyaach is green and there is a NK: WIFOM central! Ignore everything and back to scumhunting As far as I could figure out, this combo of night actions gives us the best shot at downright nailing a scum and a decent shot at narrowing down the options. Not saying it's the best, just that I can't think of a better option. | ||
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On June 23 2012 03:07 Drazerk wrote: No it was a pretty big scum role even if he did win with town No. He could have used it as either. Him being town he could have used it as town. The AMA was DEAD. We could have discussed who should be king the next day. It's like having a mayor election every night, except Nisani gets to decide if town is being derps. Even if scum keeps hitting the king, it reverts to plurality lynch, so /shrug. | ||
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On June 23 2012 03:10 HiroPro wrote: Did Nisani even get an extra win? Cause KB wasn't technically anti-town. KB was technically anti-town. Read his role pm. | ||
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On June 23 2012 03:12 talismania wrote: does RB block night kill? I would think it would just block the bulletproof. Also, do you really think maju was bussing when he posted his case on fourface? Was he just being clever, hoping that the case would never build any momentum? Third party people: will you help us if the last scum claims? It will end the game much more quickly and you still get to win :-) :-) :-) Mods obliged us with an answer On June 22 2012 05:25 Zephirdd wrote: Only if said scum does not have/does not use another action that night. In essence, a roleblocker stops One ability, where "Role" ability takes priority over "Faction" ability. | ||
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The other scumteam wasn't much better. They didn't start D1, but left it for later in the game, with Drazerk being a good little town helper and ratting out his scumbuddies in our mason circle at the slightest suspicion from either me or Hassy. He went hardcore bus mode on prplhz and layabout, using his public DT check to modconfirm them as scum. So yeah, Maju could've been bussing. However, the case does not look like a typical bus case, nor does 4F look like typical scum. Nevertheless, that leaves Hyaach and xslskksls, unless someone proposes another suspect (deconduo is an outside possibility, but it would be sooo weird, I don't think even Drazerk would pull that stunt). Having Hyaach roleblock xsksks could work, but the only chance of it giving any info is if there is no NK, which, unfortunately might still be just due to xksksks's second role being blocked and his KP going through. | ||
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On June 23 2012 03:27 ghost_403 wrote: @Acro: Isn't that plan based on xbard being town? You've stated a couple of times that you don't buy his roleclaim. What's up with that. It is based on information. It is based on me assuming an equal likelihood of all three of you being scum. I don't buy his roleclaim. I don't buy Hyaach's alignment claim. And I don't know what to think of you. The night action plan therefore assumes any one of you could be lying and is aimed at getting as much information for town as possible. There are myriad ways of it going wrong and it all needs to be backed up with proper scumhunting, but any other combo of night actions I came up with gives less info. Oh, and if you're afraid of your bulletproof getting roleblocked, think of it this way: if scum kills you and you're real 3rd party, YAY us, it's a day longer until lylo! Your death will be helping town! | ||
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On June 23 2012 03:32 ghost_403 wrote: Wait. So your theory on me being scum is that the dead guy was once on a team with someone who liked bussing his scummates, and the deadguy also thought that the guy I replaced was scummy, so I must be scum. Have you actually read 4F's posts? There is nothing townie about them. | ||
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