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On June 04 2012 17:16 EchelonTee wrote: That's pretty poor ettiquete, I would say, and isn't optimal play either.. Scum COULD do that, but realistically, the SK wants the scum to live so that they will shoot up town for them. Therefore, scum benefit from having SK around. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10437464 | ||
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If needed I can write a simple bash script that randomizes our names every few seconds and displays them on a webpage or something, then we just need someone else to select a random time (maybe when I'm asleep or something?) and we'll screenshot the page at that time, lynching the first player. | ||
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Now, there's an actually relevant sports event going on, the EU cup, but I don't think football would work very well for randomizing stuff. | ||
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it's not set to autorefresh, so to get the latest result you need to refresh the page. Every minute crontab will run this script: cat /var/www/mafia/playerlist.txt | sort -R | cut -f2- > /var/www/mafia/random.txt And that's the result you're seeing on the page. Now just screenshot at random pre-determined time, and voila. | ||
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Last game you played as scum you started tunneling someone that was not too far in the spotlight very early in the game. Your entire case on Greymist is that he "posted fluff" which can be said about half the players in the game. Discussing a RNG lynch is by definition fluff, it's only what you do with the information that results from it that can be very helpful. Do you believe that Greymist has more chance than anyone else in the game to flip scum gonzaw? What do you think about Radfield? | ||
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On June 11 2012 05:34 VisceraEyes wrote: There's a happy coincidence - when I came into the thread and expressed my willingness to follow Palmar's algorithm, I refreshed his page and I was on the top of the list. The moment chaoser did the same, I went and refreshed the page and HIS name was at the top. Fweeaky. Anyway, hypothetically what would your thoughts be on using Palmar's program as a means to arrive at two CANDIDATES for lynch (the top and bottom of the list it generates) and lynching between them? In that way, we arrive at the two candidates randomly and we still get to pick the scummiest of two candidates rather than lynching truly randomly? Or does that remove the point of the RNG lynch entirely? 1st part is hilarious. Anyway, your alternative is far worse than just RNG lynching. What you're suggesting basically removes the entire point of random lynching and introduces a terrible alternative to just analysis lynching. | ||
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Piggybacking on Greymist's thoughts on RNG to express your own thoughts while making sure you're not the original argument for the idea is terrible. Let's do this. | ||
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On June 11 2012 11:00 GreYMisT wrote: In any case, I am very worried about Ace after rereading. Particularly his post asking for caoser to respond to something someone else said without providing us anything, as well as saying he is down for an RNG lynch and then disappearing without again, giving us anything. ##Vote: Ace That's not a scumtell. What makes you think Ace is scum because of this? Take note that I'm not saying he's town, I'm just saying that this particular argument tells us nothing about his alignment. Supporting an RNG lynch is not a bad idea. It's a net gain for town, as long as you settle the target early enough. It will actually help a lot trying to figure out what really is going on in the game. It creates an unusual situation that most people aren't sure how to react to, and it's in an unstable environment it's easiest to catch mafia. The point is that you can't really explain that in the thread (hence why I didn't) because as soon as everyone realizes you're meant to argue about whether you actually follow through with the random lynch, instead of just executing it, everyone will start thinking about it like a normal case based on analysis, and the advantage will have been lost. I'm hoping some of you remember this for future games, I've yet to successfully push through the idea of a RL because of it's inherent flaw that you can't explain it. It's like why arguing about LAL is dumb as shit. As soon as you argue about it, you've given people an excuse to lie. You just shut your stupid face and say that it's a 100% solid policy and liars WILL be lynched, while secretly keeping yourself in check and being ready to go against that position. Anyway, enough about how to play mafia. @BrownBear, The information I withheld is crucial to the execution of the plan, as I explained above. You seem to be going after a pretty easy reason to lynch someone, is this because you're being lazy or cause you're scum? | ||
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On June 11 2012 13:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: What is it with people absolutely losing their heads when they get accused these days. Grey please just take a step back, though you may not think you are, you're coming across very defensive. Also I'm just gonna say right now I'm EXTREMELY wary of lynching VE. He's been mislynched two games in a row (I was directly responsible for one of them). While that does not excuse him from scrutiny, I'm gonna have a hard time voting for his lynch. hehehehehhe. So who's up for lynching meapak with me? | ||
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Meapak is just being a scared little pussy, read his posts through, time to kill. | ||
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The point is that he's using bad logic to avoid reaching a conclusion. If he was using bad logic to actually do something with it, like conclude someone he wanted to lynch, or decide that someone is town, I'd not be so eager to kill him. It's the fact that he's basically saying nothing for no reason that makes him scum. Now, about VisceraEyes, there isn't a case against him yet, and meapak is much more likely to flip scum anyway. VE has a nice habit of looking ridiculously much like town when he is one, so we'll know soon enough. The reason VE has been getting mislynched is because mafia has been pushing the idea he's scum, not because he has been scummy, or that was at least the case in Liar Game. I was scum myself and just chose to ignore the fact he was looking pretty towny. | ||
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b) I'm perfectly aware what you were responding to, that doesn't make what I said untrue. | ||
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On June 12 2012 02:11 GreYMisT wrote: Palmar why havnt you voted MZ yet if you want to lynch him? I have. | ||
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On June 12 2012 02:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol what you said is untrue. Direct quote: . So does hesmyrr not count? I await with baited breath for you to explain to me how it doesn't count... probably should add in a reference to how stupid I am as well eh? When I say "there isn't a case on X" it means that I don't think there is a valid case to be put forth against that person. For example BrownBear and Ace, while both completely fucking useless so far in the game, neither has a valid case against him. That won't change even if some internet warrior writes a "case" on them. | ||
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On June 12 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote: @Palmar: So, do you plan on commenting on this shit we've been doing these past few days or will you just try to live in your own little world up there? Radfield is still disappeared...interesting. What is it that I should comment on? Can you stop being an asshole and acting as if I'm not playing the game wtf is this shit, I've commented on just about everyone and everything in the game, why do people keep saying I'm not playing. fuck off. | ||
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On June 12 2012 04:01 gonzaw wrote: It was sarcasm (lol I can't believe you guys keep falling for it). You didn't post any thoughts about Greymist nor Wiggles, and the discussion pertaining those 2, for instance @Meapak: I don't see you doing shit, I may end up supporting your lynch after all. All these past few posts of you have been you bickering against Palmar and other people and not contributing at all. Wiggles said he was afk. I don't condone shit like that (I think it's cheating to explain your in-game actions with out of game actions), lynching him would basically be a lurker lynch. If we had nothing better, then sure. I think you're more likely to be scum than Greymist gonz, and thus I don't want to lynch greymist right now. | ||
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On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote: I hate plans that rely on "withholding information from town" because it casts doubt on the guy who's doing the withholding. Which would be you. It's great you have this awesome plan and all, but as far as I'm concerned, you could be scum trying to mislead the town, you could be a townie with good intentions but a shitty plan... any plan we take should be out in the open for people to discuss, dissect, and modify, because even the act of discussion around the plan forces scum players to come out into the open and argue against it (if it's a good plan) or for it (if it's a bad plan). The reason PMs aren't in this game is so that information stays in the thread. You're trying to keep us in the dark. For what reason? This is a dramatic misinterpretation of what I did, no information is hidden, the plan just requires people to use their brains, just like LAL which is basically an accepted policy. Did you even bother to read my explanation? On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote: Also, you still haven't addressed the issues I have with the inherent shittiness of RNG lynches. If you did post about it and I missed it, could you enlighten me? If you did not understand it from my explanation, you're probably not going to get it. I explained pretty well why they're good, but only if people use their heads, which is rare. On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote: Palmar, I get that you like to play aggressive and by your own rules, but everything you've done so far this game makes me suspicious of you. Not to mention you've insulted me directly several times. As far as I'm concerned you're a cancerous influence on this town, and we need to either lynch you, or decide that you're just frustrating townie and ignore you. So you're fine with killing me even if I'm town cause you don't like how I play? I have only insulted you once when I called you "fucking useless so far", but for someone that just claimed to have been inactive due to out of game shit, I think it's a pretty fair portrayal. Or are you going to argue that you've been helpful? several times seems a bit dramatic. | ||
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I don't think anything wiggles said is irrelevant. He's usually pretty easy to figure out when he's scum so... dunnoh. I'm not sure about you as I haven't played with you enough to know the difference between your scum and town play, all I know is your scumplay is pretty good. I would be willing to lynch BB now though, but I prefer meapak. | ||
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It's not what he's doing, it's the purpose of what he's doing. | ||
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I was just pointing out in response to your idea of lynching hesmyrr, that I don't think he's scum. BB and Meapak are good lynches. | ||
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On June 12 2012 19:50 Ace wrote: Pretty much since I'm not getting lynched at all this game. challenge accepted. | ||
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Also, in case I die, this is the list of town from towniest to scummiest. Radfield VisceraEyes Greymist Ace chaoser mrwiggles gonzaw BrownBear | ||
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##Vote gonzaw I think you're scum bro, what do you think about that? also I told you, radfield is doubleconfirmed town. | ||
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On June 13 2012 12:24 BrownBear wrote: Also, Palmar, srsly you think I'm scum every game. Find a new target to tunnel bro. Not my problem you roll scum every game I'm in with you. I haven't been wrong so far, have I? | ||
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On June 13 2012 18:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Cue Palmar waltzing into the thread, telling VE to shut up and voting for BB. I want to lynch gonz. I very much don't want to lynch radfield. | ||
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On June 13 2012 18:17 BrownBear wrote: Secondly, do you have any reason for thinking Radfield is town other than "he agrees with me"? If so, please say it. Radfield gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. His entire demeanor looks like townie Radfield. He wasn't lying when he mentioned that I generally had a good read on him early in games. I can usually tell when Rad isn't being townie-Rad, there's just something about the way he's posting that feels strange, but I'm not seeing much of that strange this game. I'd prefer if he started posting more decisively, but I don't think he's being indecisive in a scummy way. The reason I think/thought you're scum (bb) is not that you disagreed with me about the RL. While historically it's mostly been scum who has opposed a RL, it's in no way proof that someone is scum. And it also seems strange (if you're scum) to be so willing to reconsider your position on people, that's fairly unusual. The reason I was out for you was mostly your overreaction to me calling you useless, which you in all honesty were at that point in the game, you even made excuses for your inactivity, so it seems like a really defensive and self-aware move to actually become insulted when someone calls you useless when it's true. I'm not sure, what are your thoughts on gonzaw BB? | ||
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On June 13 2012 18:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Enlighten me now that it's day Palmar. Why is Radfield doubly confirmed? read post above. I think it's very unlikely Rad is scum. btw, I noticed I actually forgot about Hesmyrr in my night post... that's not good for him. | ||
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On June 13 2012 18:43 VisceraEyes wrote: For the record, I think this is bullshit. Its 5:44am here. I stayed up SPECIFICALLY to discuss shit with you, because I thought you were town. I can't discuss with you if you've decided my strongest townread is scum. Also, you've played with me often enough as scum to know that your conclusion is very unlikely, as you know my default scum strategy is bus my entire team from day 1. It's sort of reasonable, but probably wrong, to think Radfield is scum, or that I'm scum. But it's very strange to think we're scumbuddies. There isn't even a reason for me to defend him unless I genuinely think he's town, as if we were mafia buddies, your case wasn't gaining any traction yet, compared to people wanting to lynch for example Hesmyrr. You can think I'm scum and that I'm defending Radfield to make him feel warm and fuzzy You can think Rad's scum and that I'm just plain fucking wrong You can hardly think we're both scum, especially in a game where all it takes is a random SK shot to flip one of us, incriminating both. The simple solution is that we're both town. | ||
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You read his first post suggesting we lynch Ace and think "that's a bad suggestion, why would town radfield do that? He's better than that". But you forget about the alternative, there is also no reason scum radfield was going to do do that. Do you think Scumfield thinks he can get Ace lynched by this logic? Do you think scumfield is dumb enough to do that shit with no chance of success? Arguing with Ace is also kinda reasonable. Ace is always useless and takes stubborn asshole stances early in the game. Loads of townies argue with me all the time because I'm an asshole, that doesn't make them or me scum, it simply means they've invested something in the game. In addition, do you think it's likely scum would spend the night arguing with someone they were going to shoot in the daypost anyway, thus confirming their stance of view? Risking that seems also something scumfield would have no reason to do. Now, there is a tiny chance he's the SK, I have never known how to scumhunt for SKs. But to me the really simple way of dealing with things is to assume he's town, which he most likely is. | ||
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On June 13 2012 19:19 Radfield wrote: I don't know. Other than changing my opinion of him and making me take a closer look at him. How do you think the game changed. Can you elaborate on how this changed your opinion on him? You seemed to initially think he was kinda fishy, but then you admitted to have misread(?) something he said and explained that he looked ok. What's your current stance? | ||
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hmm... | ||
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Why would scumfield be so gallant... he's not bad? maybe you're right. | ||
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I'm not 100% certain he's scum, but he's looking really bad. Anyone with half a brain would see VE is town now, and Radfield has at least three quarters of a brain. I'm not sure I like the hesmyrr lynch. The fact that I forgot about him in my nightpost means that he's not doing anything of value, or I'd remember, and he seems to kinda avoid confrontations, but he was also stupid in a pretty townie way early in the game. I still think gonzaw is scum, I don't think BB is scum anymore, mostly by virtue of almost everyone else looking worse than him. If I was playing resistance I'd be suggesting a team that doesn't include gonzaw/rad/wiggles/chaoser, picking from the other players instead. For safety I'd probably not include hesmyrr either. I'll make the case on gonzaw when I have time today, I was hoping people would just bandwagon me, but alas... | ||
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I'm very short on time this weekend. | ||
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I got modkilled in another game for simply forgetting to vote after a long day of travelling. gg everyone. | ||
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