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On June 14 2012 13:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
What are your thoughts on Palmar?
Okay, good we can always use the time to talk about Palmar..
...but I'm lazy right now so I'll just paste the notes I made in that reanalysis of the thread a while back >_>
Thread Analysis:
Page 9: I don't like his post here. He basically discredits me, my case on Grey, and says I was doing something similar on
Cephiro in Liar Game. Now that I think about it, him going against MZ doesn't seem so scummy afterwards, although a little bit
'd say he's null for now (but could be SK/scum though).
Page 11-14: Was absent, said he was asleep.
Page 15: I don't see anything inherently scummy about him. He explains his RNG action, he still goes against MZ but he backs it up with reasoning, and even comments on VE. Hmm, seems slightly town because of it
Page 16: Gets active in conversations, get's "enraged" and arrogant. Hmm, slighlty town treats
Page 18: Hmm he defends himself okay against BB
Page 20: Hmm I see he's active in discussion as well
From what I can remember of what I read of him, he actually have good explanations for the things he did and said. He thoroughly explained the reasoning behind his RNG thoughts, thoroughly explained why he was voting MZ, answered questions when asked, and I didn't see him try to shit up the thread when BB went full throttle against him (if he was scum it would be a golden opportunity to do so).
Like I said there, I think of him as slightly town, but I can't discard the possibility of being SK. I don't think he's scum though.
About his behaviour this day:
EHmm, I guess he's being retarded thinking I'm scum and voting me but never mentioning me at all or explaining why he thinks I'm scum...but I guess he's doing it on purpose like a "gambit" or something. Even if he doesn't I don't see why he would do that as scum, since it's just something so obviously anti-town he'd instantly know he'd get flak for it sometime.
I find him being so defensive of Radfield and arguing with you odd though.
Hmm, I'm not so sure, but if I had to guess he's town (mostly based on process of elimination).
Like I said before (I think), until both scum are dead I'd mostly refer to everybody as town and just forget about finding the SK, so yeah Palmar could very well be SK (although I dunno why I think he'd be more pro-town if he actually was SK, kind of how he played Arkham Asylum).
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On June 14 2012 18:56 Palmar wrote:
Just because people mentioned it, my stance on Radfield has changed.
I'm not 100% certain he's scum, but he's looking really bad. Anyone with half a brain would see VE is town now, and Radfield has at least three quarters of a brain.
I'm not sure I like the hesmyrr lynch. The fact that I forgot about him in my nightpost means that he's not doing anything of value, or I'd remember, and he seems to kinda avoid confrontations, but he was also stupid in a pretty townie way early in the game.
I still think gonzaw is scum, I don't think BB is scum anymore, mostly by virtue of almost everyone else looking worse than him. If I was playing resistance I'd be suggesting a team that doesn't include gonzaw/rad/wiggles/chaoser, picking from the other players instead. For safety I'd probably not include hesmyrr either.
I'll make the case on gonzaw when I have time today, I was hoping people would just bandwagon me, but alas...
So you actually think I'm scum? 
Well that was unexpected....
...but whatever tough luck.
@Hesmyrr: What about VE? Would you have considered a VE lynch if VE had more votes on him?
Damn I guess you just disappeared again so you won't answer.
If Radfield doesn't reread the thread, and "take some time" to analyze people soon then I'll get extremely worried.
His last 10 posts or something have been him telling us "I'm not really sure I'll take some time and analyze him later", making promises, but then he just drops off with "Yeah I suck I won't make any analysis".
I'm still more confident in a Hesmyrr lynch though (but damn I always hate when I get indecisive  ).
Wiggles and chaoser are still inactive as fuck, great.
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@Grey: You posted this earlier:
Radfield is also pretty null for me at the moment, and im going to need to see some genuine scumhunting out of him. overall though, I can't see his motives as scum right now.
Right now there have been quite a lot of cases and accusations against Radfield, and defenses of him as well.
What are your thoughts on those? Is Radfield still null to you?
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On June 15 2012 04:32 GreYMisT wrote:
and Gonzaw, I read the cases and I think rad looks a bit bad, but not worse than hesmyrr looks to me.
Could you explain why "rad looks a bit bad" then?
@Palmar: You didn't unvote (it doesn't count...I think).
Hmm, I agree that VE is pretty townie and Rad would easily catch it...but he did say that "after rereading VE doesn't look so bad", so I'm not sure if he's being "blatantly and probably maliciously wrong".
What I'm concerned about is how he spent all Day 2 making promises and only defending himself but then he imploded and said he wouldn't do shit.
CHAOSER WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU?
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What is it with people just disappearing before the deadline?
*sigh*
Like...I think only me, VE and Grey are even active at all and will be until the deadline...that's bad.
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Stop promising and get to it.
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VE, if you explain to me why Hesmyrr might be town I may vote Wiggles.
I think both are scumbuddies....but I'm more certain Hesmyrr is scum and if he does indeed flip scum it'd make me more certain Wiggles is scum by their interactions.
Wiggles acted similarly (wishy-washy and stuff) in Liar Game and was town there, hence why I'm a little bit more hesitant to lynch him instead of Hesmyrr.
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VE, you had posted this before:
Also Wiggles towntold Gonzaw, back up off him. I'll leave him alive today based on what I've seen. Focus on Hes.
What changed your mind? (I guess you meant you thought Wiggles is town...I don't really get what "towntold" means )
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What have you concluded about Greymist and Wiggles so far Radfield?
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chaoser seems to be legitimately inactive I think.
I don't think he'd purposefully lurk like this as scum, considering that he hasn't been lurking at all on D1/N1 either.
If he doesn't show up he'll get modkilled as well, so he HAS to show up if he was indeed lurking as scum, and he'd get insane pressure on top of him after doing so.
It still bothers me that he isn't here, specially when half the players in this game disappear as well.
@Wiggles: What in particular makes Hesmyrr your 2nd preferable lynch than, say, Radfield or someone else?
You only mentioned him not committing his stance on D1 with a vote and you not liking his case on VE.
What else?
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Wait..that wasn't MZ's fail post?
I think chaoser is town based on his D1 behaviour, here:
Thread Analysis:
He was the 1st to post and seemed non-chalant about it. He jumped on the RNG thing without fear or hesitation, just like a bored townie trying to pass time with that thing. I think he's town for now (page 11).
His suspicion of Grey is not that good...but the way he pulls it off seems townie to me. Yes, he ignores my case, and the rest of Grey's behaviour, but I don't think he'd do that as scum, if he was scum I think he'd take the safe way out and refer to my case, or talk more about Grey instead of just risking getting attention onto him by FoSing him over some wording and his reaction to it.
For now he's active in the thread. When MZ says something about Rad, he immediately steps in and asks for reasoning. Seems townie.
Page 14: The fact that he is willing to give Grey the benefit of the doubt makes me sure he's town. There'd be no reason for him to do that as scum. He is stil part of the discussions and cares about town
Page 16: He's still active in conversations and in discussions. Yeah most likely town.
Page 19: I agree with what he says about Palmar. Makes sense, is not disruptive.
If you just look at his accusations of Grey and MZ perhaps..yeah they don't look too good.
But if you look at his attitude and "committal" (sort of speak) it doesn't seem very scumlike.
This is why I don't like Wiggles' case on him. Wiggles' case just hinges on specific things chaoser said or did. Like it deals with chaoser voting Ace based on the RNG bit, or chaoser accusing Grey of just the "VE scumslip" issue, etc.
But it doesn't deal with chaoser's behaviour at all, just with little things that he could have easily done as town.
Not only that, but he seems to be playing more like in BBM2 (just flipped town), and not like...let's say Liar Game (where he just lurked and occasionally posted about plans and nothing else).
I noticed he played similar in BBM2 when he was still alive, which is what made me think he was most likely town in both (but of course can't use that as an argument since one can't talk about on-going games >_> )
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On June 15 2012 08:06 Radfield wrote:
I also liked how he backed off Greymist.... but then he goes right back onto him. Yes, the time that Chaoser allotted Greymist passes(he gave him X amount of time to step up his game), but in that time Chaoser makes no attempt to move his focus off greymist, or to look for scum elsewhere. In fact, if you read his filter chronologically he never really skips a beat in his Greymist condemnation.
I also don't really mind his RNG stuff at all, even though it's a bit strange. If anything, it's the strangeness that makes it seem townie, as it had potential to throw unnecessary suspicion on him, yet he did it anyways. Generally scum avoid stuff like that.
Hmm, I see he did back off Grey, but still thought he was scum because Grey didn't actually contribute.
I don't find anything inconsistent there, he'd still be suspicious of Grey (I was suspicious of him as well even though I "backed off", you can see I had my vote on Greymist the whole time as well), but he stopped harrassing him like I did.
Yes, I suppose he didn't really make attempt to search scum elsewhere (even though he said he'd be ok with a MZ/BB/Wiggles lynch)...but the other stuff still makes me think he's town.
On June 15 2012 08:07 Radfield wrote:
MZ's fail post was saying that he found VE scummy but didn't want to lynch him because of previous mislynches.
Didn't that happen later though?
Palmar posting about MZ's "fail": http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558¤tpage=9#172
chaoser posting about said "fail": http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558¤tpage=12#223
The MZ "fail" you talk about: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558¤tpage=14#272
All those are in cronological order, the mention of the "fail" happens first, then chaoser mentions it again, then MZ makes that post you mentioned.
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Maybe I'm biased because chaoser did almost the same things I did (find Grey suspicious, back off him but still kept his vote on him, didn't actually try to "find" another lynch candidate since he'd still prefer a Grey lynch, keep his vote on Grey, etc).
Although I didn't think MZ was scum and supposedly he did, but still I don't find him suspicious for that because it's almost exactly what I did.
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Hmm....well, I think we can all agree on these things though:
1)Today we lynch Hesmyrr
2)We should patiently wait for chaoser to come back and express his thoughts, but not forget about him if he doesn't.
3)Maybe chaoser does fail to vote and gets modkilled, so you guys get your wish.
Okay going to gym be back in 2 or so hours
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Back
I'm still confused by the deadlines.
Like, in some games they state the deadline in KST, then in other games (or even in the same game) they state it in EST, then in FNT, and then in GMT.
It's a fucking nightmare to even comprehend when the hell the deadline is mentally without the aid of a time-zone conversion website....why aren't they all stated in GMT or something?
Yeah I don't know when the deadline is today, it already passed?
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Damn damn damn.
Okay, if tonight's kill goes through (scum don't target SK), then we'll be 4-2-1 tomorrow.
I guess it would be MYLO. Let's see.
If lynch town: it's 3-2-1, then if scum shoot town it's 2-2-1. If the SK plays for town there we can lynch one scum, make it 2-1-1, but then it's a stalemate at 1-1-1. If scum shoot the SK there, it's still 2-1-1, but if we lynch the SK scum shoot and make it 1-1 GG; if we lynch scum SK shoots and makes it 1-1 GG.
If we lynch SK: It's 4-2, then scum shoot and make it 3-2, which are 2 consecutive LYLOs
If we lynch scum: It's 4-1-1, scum shoot 3-1-1. At worst if we misslynch there it's a draw at 1-1-1, if we don't then it's a 2-1 LYLO the next day (with either scum or SK).
So yeah, effectively tomorrow is MYLO
Fuck, why the fuck did I go through the trouble of wasting like 2 hours rereading the thread
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Yeah fuck we might as well used Palmar's site and RNG now.
I think I might try to find townies instead of scum and get better results
I'll take a wager and assume BB and VE are town for now.
That'd leave Palmar, Greymist, Wiggles, chaoser and Radfield, with 2 townies in that group.
Well, if I had to take a blind guess I'd choose Palmar and Radfield as the 2 townies there.
Aw fuck, I need to reread everything again
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Actually, scratch that, I'd say BB, VE and Rad are town and Wiggles is scum.
Then we figure out the scum/SK out of Palmar/Greymist/chaoser later.
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lol I do really wonder if we could have lynched some scum had we followed the RNG idea 
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