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Ace
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Radfield
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Who would you have voted for yesterday. Who do you think is playing scummy. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 12 2012 16:54 Ace wrote: What did I miss? You missed iGrok's Good Clean Old-fashioned Mafia. What are your goals this game Ace? We have no roles, so any type confirmation is impossible. This is also a fairly high level game, which means our primary means of finding scum is going to be townies differentiating themselves from scum and playing a strong game, or townies laying down some solid analysis. You need to up your activity and pitch in, because right now you're giving us nothing to work with. | ||
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Ace
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Ace
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Ace
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Then I've gotta group everyone's votes into categories: "legit", "lolhehasdadumbs", "bullshit". THEN I've gotta check those votes against the one person I feel is surely Town and draw comparisons. But I'd rather not. Too boring. I'm voting for Radfield tomorrow, or shooting him tonight. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 11 2012 09:29 chaoser wrote: I actually wasn't even sure how RNGs really worked which is why I asked Radfield. As far as I can tell this never happened. Care to point it out to me? On June 11 2012 09:29 chaoser wrote: The fact that you show no suspicion to the usage of terms along with the rest of your posting makes me extremely suspicious of you. ##vote: greymist Can you elaborate on this? What kind of response did you expect to see from Greymist? Greymist, what did you expect to accomplish from voting Ace? That seems like a fairly lame-duck plan to generate content. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 12 2012 19:05 Ace wrote: I've got a major problem with Radfield's vote that "saved" Palmar. But now I've gotta go through the thread and check everyone's vote with their motives, and make sure they are consistent around the time they voted. Then I've gotta group everyone's votes into categories: "legit", "lolhehasdadumbs", "bullshit". THEN I've gotta check those votes against the one person I feel is surely Town and draw comparisons. But I'd rather not. Too boring. I'm voting for Radfield tomorrow, or shooting him tonight. There's the Ace we know and love. You can't shoot me though, I'm bulletproof. I like how when you are scum you find something someone has done and then just spin it as scummy like crazy. Look for an entire body of evidence.. nahh. I assume what your insinuating is that me and Palmar are scumbuddies, or that I wanted to save him for some sort of underhanded reasoning. I can assure you that if I was scum and Palmar town, I would push any lynch on him I possibly could. Palmar, like no other player on this site, correctly ID's me by Night 1 pretty much every game we have ever played. Certainly he busted me in LOTR and Arkham 2, and was on my case in Closed Casket. No way I would save him, especially when I had already given myself plenty of reason to not vote Meapak. | ||
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Ace
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Radfield
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Ace
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Radfield
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Ace
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
You getting lynched is a foregone conclusion. The question is how many cycles until that happens. I'd place the it at 2. I assume you'd take the over on that bet and leave me with the under. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On June 12 2012 19:50 Ace wrote: Pretty much since I'm not getting lynched at all this game. challenge accepted. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On June 12 2012 19:10 Radfield wrote: As far as I can tell this never happened. Care to point it out to me? Can you elaborate on this? What kind of response did you expect to see from Greymist? Greymist, what did you expect to accomplish from voting Ace? That seems like a fairly lame-duck plan to generate content. Really just wanted to see Gonzaw's reaction in particular. I had hopes that it would draw Ace or other players out, but that was secondary | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On June 12 2012 11:06 gonzaw wrote: You answered your own question. Sorry I'm too lazy right now to reread the thread looking for them. But chaoser and I posted about Greymist Hesmyrr posted about VE VE and MZ posted about Radfield Just check their filters (and of course read the thread in it's completion) I don't really like the Chaoser case against GreY. I also agree with him that your reasoning for voting GreY isn't very strong, even if I disagree with him on his own case. I think it was early to pull out the "Never made any analysis" card. I explain why I don't like Chaoser's case later when I talk about why he's scum. Next, I don't agree completely with Hesmyrr's case on VE. I don't see a logical disconnect between the two posts in the second paragraph. In the first, VE says that he's afraid of trusting how we decide the RNG lynch. This implies he's afraid of someone manipulating the results or something similar. Next, he says he like Palmar's plan. There's no disconnect, because Palmar's plan is essentially random, and isn't decided by one person, as it would be verified by multiple people. So, it's something that's not open to manipulation. Therefore, the change in stance makes sense. The part I do agree on with Hesmyrr is that pushing the RNG talk to continue doesn't look that great. However, I don't think that's enough to call VE scum on. I'll respond to the Rad case later. On June 12 2012 18:43 Radfield wrote: Wiggles, that's all well and good, but those posts are startlingly neutral. Who would you have voted for yesterday. Who do you think is playing scummy. Between MZ and Palmar, I would have truthfully voted for MZ. Out of other people, I would have voted Chaoser. The reasons for this are that he's done about three things that make him look off to me. First, he did that weird thing with the RNG. I have no idea how that was supposed to work though, because RNG doesn't work with just someone posting a number and saying that's who we're lynching. But, after not enough people supported him, and I called him out on it, he says that it was for pressure and to see how Ace reacted. That sounds silly though, because the pressure would always be weak, and Ace didn't back off RNG but Chaoser still pushed him for it. Like I said, false pressure. Second, I don't understand his initial case on Grey at all. I don't know what he means by "you show no suspicion to the usage of terms", but I guess he's saying that he's not suspicious of different names and that makes him scummy? But this is an iGrok game. I lost Sleeper Cell I because I lynched a guy for having a green bolded name when no one else did. I learned my lesson, and I know iGrok has done similar things in lots of his games since then with regards to flavour and role name, because flavour hunting is just stupid. So, it makes sense for GreY not to necessarily question that they have different names, which makes Chaoser's accusation weird and off-base. Then he calls out GreY for wanting to lynch me and not MZ. The thing is though, there's nothing stopping GreY from thinking I made a bad post even if MZ made a worse post, so that's not really a valid for saying he's scum. Just because something is worse than something else doesn't mean that other thing can't still be bad (On a side note, I don't think my post was bad, this is from GreY's PoV :p). So again, I don't like Chaoser's reasoning for voting GreY. Third, Chaoser didn't change his vote from GreY to MZ. There wasn't enough support for the GreY lynch it seemed, and the votes between Palmar and MZ were very close. Chaoser said he'd prefer an MZ lynch after a GreY lynch, and that he thought Palmar was playing well. However, he never ended up changing his vote to ensure someone he thought was scummy would get lynched instead of someone he thought was playing well. That stinks. So, these three things together lead me to think Chaoser is scum. It's a lot of little things that I find off or pushing from an insincere direction that add up to that conclusion. On June 12 2012 19:17 Radfield wrote: He can't shoot you because if he did that would make him scum There's the Ace we know and love. You can't shoot me though, I'm bulletproof. I like how when you are scum you find something someone has done and then just spin it as scummy like crazy. Look for an entire body of evidence.. nahh. I assume what your insinuating is that me and Palmar are scumbuddies, or that I wanted to save him for some sort of underhanded reasoning. I can assure you that if I was scum and Palmar town, I would push any lynch on him I possibly could. Palmar, like no other player on this site, correctly ID's me by Night 1 pretty much every game we have ever played. Certainly he busted me in LOTR and Arkham 2, and was on my case in Closed Casket. No way I would save him, especially when I had already given myself plenty of reason to not vote Meapak.  Then again, if you're bullet-proof that makes you the SK too. Hey, this scum-hunting thing is pretty easy! | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
 ok, ok, i know that isn't true. Anyway... On June 12 2012 19:17 Radfield wrote: I assume what your insinuating is that me and Palmar are scumbuddies, or that I wanted to save him for some sort of underhanded reasoning. I can assure you that if I was scum and Palmar town, I would push any lynch on him I possibly could. Palmar, like no other player on this site, correctly ID's me by Night 1 pretty much every game we have ever played. Certainly he busted me in LOTR and Arkham 2, and was on my case in Closed Casket. No way I would save him, especially when I had already given myself plenty of reason to not vote Meapak. Something about this passage seems off to me. Radfield addresses ace's insinuation that he's scumteam with Palmar by talking about a hypothetical situation in which he isn't scumteam with Palmar... am I missing something, or does that smell kinda fishy to me? | ||
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BrownBear
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