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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 04 2012 16:50 GMT
#534
The whole "WBG was suspicious of Zephirdd and that's why he was shot" isn't something I believe. WBG only ever mentions Zephirdd once "I think Zephirdd is the only lynch with enough momentum to make it to deadline, unless we can get a switch to someone like navillus or risk.", and even then he prefers two other candidates to lynch. WBG is one of the strongest players in this game - it's not that surprising that he would get shot n1. And honestly we have no good way of finding out why he died - maybe he died because mafia thought he was blue for some reason. I'd prefer to focus on what alive people are actually posting.

For me, the lynch is between Toad and risk.nuke. Zephirdd's recent posting has been a lot better. While I think the case against Toad is strong, he has been responding in a mostly townie manner. Meanwhile, risk is walking around not giving proper reasoning or anything really.

I think I'll go through some filters during my lunch break.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 04 2012 17:55 GMT
#538
Toad, what do you think of risk.nuke so far?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 04 2012 18:10 GMT
#540
On June 05 2012 00:23 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm against lynching toad today. I don't have a good read on him and I think he will become easier to figure out later.


On June 05 2012 03:05 Toadesstern wrote:
a null and I can't really judge him because he hasn't posted yet...

The fact that he doesn't want to lynch me is nice though :3


Hmmmmmmmmm.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 04 2012 21:05 GMT
#569
Ok, I read through Toad's filter again. I am confident in him being scum. I will be voting for Toad in the real voting thread now.

I don't buy Toad's explanation on how his case against me developed. It doesn't make sense from a townie perspective even if he believed that I was a vet. This is Toad's reason for suggesting a WBG lynch: "WBG is just plain ridiculous right now and he's way better as town than what we see here.". Completely ridiculous. The general tone of his response is townie in nature which is what confused me earlier, but he avoids and sidesteps the parts of the case that he can't answer. Toad is scum; everyone should vote for him.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 04 2012 21:08 GMT
#573
On June 05 2012 06:03 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 05:53 Kurumi wrote:
Toad, I might get a vote off you if you tell me who should I kill


depends on the lynch. If risk flips red you obviously shoot rad.


This is really poor logic, especially when you consider that Toad said a little while back that Radfield is probably town.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 04 2012 21:31 GMT
#585
Aw yeah Let's kill risk.nuke next.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 04 2012 21:34 GMT
#588
Yep yep. And our list of possible mafia is narrowed down a lot. With the nature of the voting system, it's very unlikely that anyone who voted for Toad is mafia.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 04 2012 22:03 GMT
#596
On June 05 2012 06:44 risk.nuke wrote:
I've mislynched toad in every single game we played exept Arkham where he could save himself by blueclaiming. And the time I decide to tread carefully that prick is mafia. Not fair.


Don't worry, we'll help you atone for your sins


I am going to vote for majority+1. I think it's unlikely we have a vig to shoot risk.nuke and he will almost certainly be the lynch target for tomorrow. We can do mayor election on day 4 and avoid doing 24 hour day cycle.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 05 2012 03:52 GMT
#614
Toad:

On June 02 2012 08:09 Toadesstern wrote:
A zephird lynch still looks awful for me. Hiros voting him, risk is voting him, navillus is voting him. There's bound to be a mafia within those 3 and Kurumi and talis are nulls for me.


On June 02 2012 08:56 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok people I'm willing to lynch in general right now: Hiro, Prplhz, Navillus


In this first post Toad says that there is definitely a scum in between myself, Risk, and Navillus. However, a little while later after Radfield posts his case on Navillus (and a couple of other small posts by people), Toad decides that Hiro, Prplhz, and Navillus are his lynch candidates (has dropped risk.nuke from his list).


On June 02 2012 09:37 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 09:34 slOosh wrote:
Nah - let's get some thoughts on Sbrubbles. Both Navillus and risk.nuke have shown apathy and disinterest in the game and both are worth a lurker lynch. I want thoughts on Sbrubbles.

I don't think a sbrubbles lynch is going to happen and I don't think it's helpful to cluster up the thread 2 hours short of the deadline when we need people to vote someone else...


After the "hiroprotagonist-HiroPro" business, Toad tries to end discussion on Sbrubbles.

On June 02 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
got ninja'ed
About sbrubbles: I'll tell you once d2 has started for obvious reasons, sry.


Toad says here that he's going to give his opinion on Sbrubbles (he never does this). Incidentally, it kind of makes sense now why Radfield/Kurumi felt so strongly about the "d2" thing. Didn't seem important to me as a quote, but it looks completely different in context (and knowing that he's mafia lol).


On June 03 2012 10:59 Toadesstern wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

We lynch Prplhz today


Here's why:
On May 30 2012 23:16 prplhz wrote:
[...]

It's very important for town that we know what role we give them today to eliminate any sort of confusion. If we don't know what role we give them, then they can just argue as if they had any role, and town will just argue along with them. While it's very hard, I think it's very very important that we get a majority+3 on their role so we are absolutely sure what they got. This is even more important than what they end up getting.

Tracker/Medic/Roleblocker combination sounds pretty good to me. What do you mean "without fear of the tracker caliming"?



@Radfield What do you mean "scum are going to lie about their votes anyway"?


I consider that mafia agenda. "It is very important for town that we know what role we give to eliminate confusion"? Yeah we eliminate mafia confusion by telling them what they'll get so they can counter pick,


On June 01 2012 04:15 prplhz wrote:
[...]

What do you think about wherebugsgo, Navilus and risk.nuke?
On June 01 2012 21:07 prplhz wrote:
I still want to lynch wherebugsgo.

[...]

I still want to lynch wherebugsgo.
On June 02 2012 03:04 prplhz wrote:
I'm okay with lynching Sbrubbles.

[...]

On June 02 2012 08:01 prplhz wrote:
I'm up for Toadesstern since Sbrubbles isn't happening.


That's a lot of people he's willing to lynch without saying a thing about them except for wbg. The "case" on wbg was "WBG hasn't posted, therefore he has to be mafia because he doesn't care about the game" while at least half the players in this game had very few posts at that time. The rest is a bunch of mentions without actually saying why and I already said what I think about stuff like that:
Looks like people testing watertemperature with their toes to check out what can get momentum without doing something themselves.
Furthermore Navilus apparently was on his radar for not posting a lot, just like risk yet later on he says Nav not posting is a sign for townieness? Will come to that next but that's really odd.

On June 02 2012 05:27 prplhz wrote:
@wherebugsgo I don't think that Navilus is scum. First, the guy has never played scum before. Second, his only contributions on day1 so far has been a post saying what he voted, and him calling you out. It doesn't look like he's just trying to avoid mod kill and it very much doesn't look like he's scum trying to hide with only 2 paltry posts during the whole day. I don't think first time scum will not do anything during the day than pick on a town wherebugsgo (but then again, are you town?) Moreover, in the last game I played with him he was also unavailable for a part of the game. You say that he didn't comment on the lynch, one thing that all scum knows to do at all times is have some sort of opinion on the lynch. I'd very much like to keep him around for now.

How do you feel that Sbrubbles has argued in a way that's not scummy, but even townie?

Navilus defense #1
The reasoning here basicly is: "He never played mafia before. I think he would know better than to hide like that with only 2 posts."
I'd consider that a contradiction. Everyone knows people who play mafia for the first time and what's the most frequent mistake those people make? They're not posting because they're scared and trying to hide to hard. At least that's how I have seen most people play their first time game as mafia. This defense makes no sense from a townie point of view no matter who nav was talking about in his two posts.

On June 02 2012 05:42 prplhz wrote:
Read his town games, read his day0 play this game, first time scum mostly try not to stick out and he absolutely knows how to do this better than this. He is sticking out very much with his two measly posts and I very much doubt any scum would think that this would ever be enough not to get lynched. I expect him to get back and tell us why he's been playing so horribly on day1 but I don't think that he's scum right now.

I'm not saying he's new, I'm saying he's first time scum.

Navilus defense #2
Again. He says that first time scums mosty try not to stick out, as in they usually want to hide, yet he says "he absolutely knows how to do this better than this". How in the world do you know he can do better than this if he never played mafia before? How do you know he's not scared to post like most mafias are in their first game?
Again, this defense makes so sense from a town point of view.

On June 02 2012 05:44 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 04:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
[...]
I disagree with a Sbrubbles lynch for now because I think the way he has discussed things is not scummy.
His tone seems more like a townie talking about setup mechanics than a scum.
[...]


Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 05:27 prplhz wrote:
[...]
How do you feel that Sbrubbles has argued in a way that's not scummy, but even townie?


Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 05:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
As for your question on Sbrubbles I don't even know what that means


I'm really just asking if you can clarify what you said.

Remember his posts from earlier? Sure wbg is not backing up a thing but he's giving his basic thoughts. Now look back a bit and check out the posts prplhz did when he wanted to hear oppinions / accused people. He said nothing, he simply mentioned the names except for the WBG "case".
That's as hypocritical as it can get.

On June 02 2012 09:02 prplhz wrote:
Blues always say stuff like "It's really not a good idea to lynch me." and "Trust me on this one." and "Town shouldn't lynch me."

I don't know how I manage to miss it all the time.

I'm most likely joining a Navilus lynch because I want a lynch Before, he was just being afk and his day0 actions didn't look too different from everybody else. I played with him before when he was town and afk, and when he came back he was really sorry about it (and wrote a huge post explaining exactly why he was afk). He doesn't look remorseful at all here, that post looks like he wants any sort of heat off of him and hopes that I'll just keep defending him 'cause that's what I did before.

Well I'm not gonna. I'm not all convinced about this but it's the best we can realistically achieve today I think.

##Unvote Sbrubbles
##Vote Navilus


Probably the weakest explanation for a vote I've ever seen. "sup guys. THAT GUY IS TOWN SHUT UP.... Oh, I guess he hasn't said he's sorry for being afk so long. Probably means he's mafia"




Fancy conclusion:

  • Prplhz defending Nav was REALLY odd and I can't imagine someone making arguments like that from a town perspective. Yeah I know I used to use arguments like that as well. L comes to mind where I said something along the lines of "Palmar looks way to scummy to be scum, something's wrong here" but that's because the guy is called Palmar and not Nav. We're talking about some guy who never played mafia before and Prplhz defends him on the basis of "the guy would play better as mafia because he hasn't ever played mafia before"...
  • Prplhz is testing grounds before saying something all the time. He keeps asking people "what do you think about X, Y or Z?" and never says something himself and something like 30 hours later he picks one guy he feels comfortable to push and votes him with 3 lines of explanation.
  • The voteswitch is horrible. The reasoning, as already mentioning is the weakest I've ever seen and I'd say he did that because that way he can say "sup guys, I voted him to secure a lynch but didn't want to. Btw TOLD YA HE'S TOWN" for towncred.


Lynch Prplhz please, thanks.


Toad's giant big case on prplhz.

On June 05 2012 03:05 Toadesstern wrote:
a null and I can't really judge him because he hasn't posted yet...

The fact that he doesn't want to lynch me is nice though :3


Toad's opinion on risk.nuke


My conclusions from Toad's filter:

Sbrubbles is definitely worth looking at closely (he was one of the people trying to push a mislynch on me, has been extremely inactive and avoided most of the Toad-related stuff (came in late to say that risk.nuke is best lynch), and Toad avoided giving his opinion on Sbrubbles multiple times). Toad was similarly evasive on risk.nuke despite listing him very early on as possible mafia.


risk.nuke:

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 01 2012 22:02 risk.nuke wrote:
I am pleased with radfield and I no longer want to make radpie.
On the other hand I believe we could vastly benefit from shortening hiro by a head, turning sloosh into slush and murdering zepphird.


On June 03 2012 23:50 risk.nuke wrote:
I think we should lynch zephirdd for two reasons.
1. It will shed light on the voteswitch. It is infact very important that we learn zephirdds aligntment or we'll just stab ourselves in the foot if he turns out to be town.
2. Wbg was for lynching 3 people. Myself, Navillus and Zephirdd (And kurumi who he might not have pushed for because he didn't think he could get him lynched). Wbg was killed which indicates that the mafia believed he was on to something. Knowing that I am town, Navillus is town that leaves Zephirdd (and Kurumi).


On June 04 2012 00:29 risk.nuke wrote:
@Hiro: Will I need to repeat every little thing so that your tiny brain can puzzle it together. I posted additional reasons for why zephirdd is a good lynch. It was not a new case because zephirdd already had a case on him.



On June 05 2012 00:23 risk.nuke wrote:
Lets just assume we don't have a medic instead of using that as an excuse to justify scum-kills. If any of you were scum, would you give town a medic? That's like sabotaging for yourself so can we please assume the scum did not sabotage for themself and did not give us a medic.

Radfield, since you've ignored my post. Why do you think they killed wbg?

I'm against lynching toad today. I don't have a good read on him and I think he will become easier to figure out later.


On June 05 2012 05:06 risk.nuke wrote:
As for lynches I'd like to lynch kurumi. If I can't get support for that I'm torn between lynching sloosh and sbrubbles.



I'm not going to go through posts from risk.nuke's filter individually because it's so short and everyone can just read the entire thing in like 2 minutes. I've spoilered the relevant posts, though.

risk.nuke has a habit throughout this game of suggesting lynch targets without ever giving any reasoning or thoughts on their posting behavior (hiro, sloosh, kurumi, sbrubbles). His biggest push is on zephirdd, but the reasons he gives are unrelated to actual behavior or posting. When I said this to him, he responded angrily and said that there was already a case on him, so no actual need to do such a thing. The thing is risk never lists which of the many cases/reads (myself, talismania, Radfield i think?) it is that he agrees with or which points specifically that he likes. This is not a townie response at all. Risk then soft-defends Toad by saying that he doesn't have a good read (despite Toad having a giant filter, multiple cases that he pushed, and numerous interactions with various people). And of course, risk has spent a large amount of time debating what WBG's death means. The thing about risk.nuke's filter that is so damning is that he never posts anything that I see as contributing to town. He darts in, gives a few unsubstantiated opinions, and then exits without having said anything of value. Unless he claims innocent child tomorrow, I want him lynched.



HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 05 2012 05:12 GMT
#617
On June 05 2012 14:07 Kurumi wrote:
It is a happy hour !
Risk would be an awesome vigilante target. Oh wait !
Well sorry for yesterday wasn't feeling too well , going to do some work today after short school.


Are you really a vig, lol. Like really. Because then there's no point in voting "majority+1" and we should just do the mayoral election.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 06 2012 02:04 GMT
#632
Oh, risk Still giving out lynch candidates with no reasoning at all. I like the choices too. They improve your credibility greatly.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 06 2012 02:05 GMT
#633
meh, no medic.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 06 2012 02:08 GMT
#636
Claim IC or die, risk.

##Vote risk.nuke
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 06 2012 02:13 GMT
#638
On June 06 2012 04:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Sloosh, most of your post is jubjub logic.


You didn't say anything about my case. I feel left out
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 06 2012 17:31 GMT
#647
On June 07 2012 01:35 prplhz wrote:
... we could talk about how we don't have a 1-shot cop, we don't have a vigilante, and we don't have a medic so we have a tracker and an innocent child?

We also have some poisons left:
24 hour day
Secret ballot
Hidden flip
Mayoral election

I think we should pick mayoral election for tomorrow and then consider having the innocent child claim. If we find someone else that people will agree is town then I don't think we should have the innocent child claim right away because an innocent child in LYLO could be devastating for scum. We should consider if there's someone else we can agree to elect and if not, then have the innocent child can claim for instant election. Talking about who we think is town might also give us a little more content to find the last scum. If risk.nuke flips scum then there's going to be zero scum influence on the election so we don't have to worry about that.

Also, if risk.nuke flips scum then hidden flip becomes a freebie. So does secret ballot. 24 hour day isn't going to be a problem if we ever get that far. So no more poison!

+ Show Spoiler +
Also, am I the only one who thinks it's annoying that they're hosting Pick Your Poison and Pick Your Power at the same time and keeps clicking the wrong thread and thinking "since when did marvellosity play in my game?"


I was thinking about this yesterday. I still find it so hard to believe that they would give us an innocent child... But since cop still hasn't claimed, I guess you're right.

Looking at the way the thread is right now, the last scum (assuming risk flips scum) likely tried to bus risk on day 2 and save Toad. Even if risk isn't scum though, the pool of scum is still probably in that group (tried to lynch risk on day 2, not Toad)
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 07 2012 02:46 GMT
#652
I won't be doing this. Since risk.nuke is pretty much guaranteed to be lynched, this is essentially like night time, except we haven't yet seen risk flip. I have a case on who I think the last scum member is and I will post it before night is over.

As far as your post on sloOsh, you will see that he articulates his reasons for suspecting Sbrubbles on day 1. Asking questions is not really alignment-indicative, especially for a player like sloOsh who asks a lot of questions both as town (LI) and as mafia (SoAF). Additionally, sloOsh was one of the first people to support Radfield's case on Toad. I see very little reason for mafia to support Toad's lynch at that point, when risk.nuke is a much better candidate to bus, or mislynch (in the unlikely case he is town).
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 07 2012 05:10 GMT
#654
The reason why I'm not posting it now is that it will not influence the lynch at all, but it does help mafia in their decision for the night kill.

Risk's flip does not affect my case at all, as everyone in the game has said that they want risk to be lynched.

While it is true that discussion has stalled, I don't think this will carry over at all as a mayor election will come up and the last mafia still needs to be found (assuming risk is scum).

I'll have my case and full list of reads out before the end of night.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 07 2012 17:25 GMT
#662
Might as well post my case now then. My full reads will be end of night though.

Case on Sbrubbles

On June 01 2012 21:09 Sbrubbles wrote:
The case on Kurumi is partly based on his meta and I don't trust cases built solely on meta. What is interesting is
that he makes his whole argument with basis on game mechanics (better yet, his opinions on game mechanics), which
would be the "safest" way for mafia to be pushing for a mislynch at D1. It feels a bit scummy, but I'm still mostly null on him.


The first thing that popped out to me from Sbrubbles's filter is this statement. Sbrubbles says here that Kurumi's case looks like a mafia one because it's based mostly on game mechanics. While this is going on Sbrubbles is pushing a case on me based entirely on me voting for GF instead of framer...

On June 02 2012 09:30 Sbrubbles wrote:
Bah ... I'm not sure anymore. Bugs/Toad/prlhz, why Navillus over risk.nuke?


On June 02 2012 10:24 Sbrubbles wrote:
I'm switching my vote to guarantee the Navillus lynch.

##Unvote: HiroPro
##Vote: Navillus


Sbrubbles makes a vote to guaruntee a lynch without ever giving his opinion on the person's play or whether or not they are scum???

Miscellaneous Evidence
There are a couple of other things about Sbrubbles's play that make me think he is mafia. He never offers actual substantiated reads about anyone except risk.nuke (who for reasons I already talked about, had to be bussed) and myself (who he attacked purely based on game mechanics and my voting record). His activity level was relatively high during setup and d1, when it's easy for mafia to blend in, but after that he's hardly said a word. And on multiple occasions, Toad avoided giving reads about Sbrubbles when directly asked. All of these lead me to conclude that Sbrubbles is likely the last mafia. And slOosh brings up good points also.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 08 2012 00:19 GMT
#666
Why do you give useful advice.... Please tell me that you are not town.....
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 08 2012 00:23 GMT
#668
Well i wanted to roleclaim tomorrow. Because that's pretty much guaranteed win if risk is scum.
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