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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 12 2012 22:36 GMT
#601
Could the cop have possibly been naive given the wording in the OP etc?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 12 2012 22:37 GMT
#602
I think that needs an answer
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 12 2012 22:38 GMT
#603
if mods won't clarify here, they wouldn't have clarified to gonzaw.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 12 2012 22:39 GMT
#604
[/green]While we are at it, Did mafia roles get assigned or did they get to pick who got what rolls? (like choose who is GF)[/green]
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 12 2012 22:39 GMT
#605
EBWOP
While we are at it, Did mafia roles get assigned or did they get to pick who got what rolls? (like choose who is GF)
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
June 12 2012 22:40 GMT
#606
it was also a shitty breadcrumb. gonzaw is lying, supersoft was a shitty check as a first check for sanity's sake. Not to mention his own reason now for his checkign supersoft to check for sanity was that "He was being retarded on purpose most likely. Considering his status I don't see why he couldn't have been shot, specially after his whole" which pretty much boils down to "I checked him cause in previous games he died early" which is in no way a good person to pick.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 12 2012 22:40 GMT
#607
Why I want rastaban to shoot me:

On June 12 2012 13:38 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 13:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
If we don't have a target for gonzaw to shoot by, say, the 20 hour mark into the day, I say we should shoot gonzaw. I volunteer to be that person.

If anyone shoots before that time I say we kill them tomorrow.


I support this!



Here is the 1st post where he basically takes a stance on something game-related.

He says he supports me shooting or wbg shooting me.
However, by this point he only posted setup-related fluff. The only thing game-related (who he thinks is scum, etc) was him thinking RoL was most likely Miller if there weren't any counterclaims today.

Yet now he all of a sudden jumps on the wagon to shoot me.....

On June 12 2012 22:40 rastaban wrote:
The following People need to post, they are very inactive, and if they have said anything it is only a few one liners.
risk.nuke
Kenpachi
payl

gonzaw I don't see him for mafia, but I don't have a problem with making him shoot someone else if it will lessen the distracting discussion on him. So far the biggest arguments against him have been that he supported ROL and that he claimed He hadn't seen a Mafia fake a miller claim before. To me he doesn't seem scum at all, and most of the case is hinged on defending ROL, If ROL is really a miller then all the discussion seems moot.

ROL Controversy, We still have no other Millers claiming, and until we get some other contenders I am very inclined to believe ROL. There should have been 2 hits last night (mafia & SK), and only 1 went down. Unless someone else claims to have been protected I see no reason to disbelieve this. I lean towards an SK 1 shot power as if it is reuseable it would be way over powered, I think we keep an eye on him and see how things progress. If the Mafia tried to shoot him, and an SK tried to remove the gun, then I think we should hold off on killing him for a bit since there must be a reason so many people tried to hit him last night. Again if more Millers come forward then I agree we should re-evaluate the claim but for now I think his play seems town and we should hold off a final judgment for him.

Meapak_Ziphh, your filter looked really bad last night tons of filler and no posts contributing to discussion, but you seem to be posting more like your normal self today. Mind explaining what was going on?


Except he now thinks I'm town and doesn't want to shoot me.
It seems like he basically forgot he supported a claim from someone wanting to shoot me.
On June 12 2012 22:46 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 22:09 Dirkzor wrote:
Well as I also wrote in the Policy lynching thread I'm all for setting up rules like these that enforces a townlike behavior. So no arguement there. But MZ does have a point that whoever shoots are most likely a townie. So we shouldn't just kill them... A point that was no way clear from Kita's post.

In other news: I think MrZentor might be scum. Go look at his filter.

He very clearly have been following the thread.
On June 12 2012 05:26 MrZentor wrote:
I never thought of that, Gonzaw. o.0


But he haven't really put any thought in what he have posted. He seems to jut be posting in order to increase his filter.

He also seemed to get very defence for no appearrant reason during his only real response in the thread:
On June 12 2012 02:30 MrZentor wrote:
He was trying to copy my reason for being suspicious of Rastaban, but he confused Rastaban with chaoser.

FAIL
On June 12 2012 02:34 FreelanceSatan wrote:
I just woke up bro. And im not trying to "copy your reason" im agreeing with it. highlighting it and supporting it.

You dont like when people support your reads??
On June 12 2012 02:35 MrZentor wrote:
There's nothing wrong with copying as long as you do it accurately and add on your own ideas.

I have an irrational fear of being misquoted. >.<


So any reads MrZentor? Anything?



Thanks for bringing this up, I forgot about him. He really needs to start posting content, and he does seem very scummy. I will try and get some time to review some of his other games to see if he is always so useless to town.


So....where are those "reviews" you promised?
You never mentioned Zentor again

On June 13 2012 00:23 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 23:40 MrZentor wrote:
If you really want to shoot me or something at least wait 24 hours into D1 so you don't waste the whole day and so we can put some sense into you.

His insistence on waiting until most of the day passes before shooting.

I personally don't find people's opinion on certain plans (or policy lynches, etc) alignment telling at all. So no matter how much someone talks and talks about plans, I can't analyze their alignment based on their behaviour, if everybody else is discussing plans as well.


This seems like the genuine thing a mafia wouldn't say.

+ Show Spoiler +
What if all of us claim if we have a gun to shoot or not?

Like said before, most blue roles are not that strong (the good ones don't know their sanity); but the VT/Miller roles are the strongest since they control the "lynch", and are our only way to win this game (other than a random vigilante out there).

I think they did it like this:

1)Everybody claims if they have a gun or not
2)The people that claimed they have a gun, take turns each day to shoot the most scummy one from the pool of the guys that don't have a gun
Here we can use that "random thingy" site Palmar made for iGrok's game (if someone's good enough to copy the script and shit, maybe make it public):
Each day we make a list of all the people that claimed they have a gun, and randomize it. That way we randomly choose who to shoot from that list.
That way mafia can't try to fake-claim that they have a gun and manipulate their way to never shoot at all, because the process of choosing who to shoot is random so if it's their turn to shoot they can't get away with it (this will disencourage scum fake-claiming they have a gun).

This is the beauty from the plan:
Yes, all the VTs/Millers will be outed for SK/scum, and so will the blues....
...however the blues will be mostly intact and survive the whole game.

Why? Because in the pool of blues most of the scum (goon and RBers, etc) lurk. If they shoot blues at night, that pool is reduced so they have more chances of being shot at day.
Not only that, but because of what I said earlier they'll most likely shoot VTs (check that post I made).

So blues are free to make their actions at night (not all of them can be RBed, plus they shouldn't claim their roles either) to help us with what we can, while we systematically kill those scum in their group.

Once we kill all scum in the "blue" group (3 of them right?), we are set, leave the rest of those blues alone and take a look at the VT/Miller claims to get the GF and the SK.

Since only non-gunners will get shot at day, and only gunners will get shot at night by scum, the blues in the non-gunners group can use:
1)Their medic saves on the gunners
2)Their watcher/tracker/cop checks on the gunners

1)Because those are the only ones getting shot at night, so they have a greater chance to save them
2)Because once all the scum from the non-gunners are killed, we need to find the SK/GF. If blues check those players, then it's more likely they can find the SK/GF for us so we have it easier later.


That was the way it would work in the 1st game.
Now that I think about it the "SK or scum can steal guns at night" thing if RoL says the truth can change it a little bit

What do you guys think? Any way to improve it if it's worth it? Or is it unworthy?


This is an excellent plan, which I believe would give town a great chance of winning; I doubt a mafia would suggest it.




Also, something I found along the way.


Pretty sure

1) We'll run out of things to say or just go in circles
2) Ace will probably put a limit on like 48 hours and then we just "no shot" and move straight to night
3) Someone will probably get trigger happy and shoot anyway.

I want gonzaw to shoot. We already had 24 hours of discussion since night 0 happened, we've got our suspicions. Let's go gonzaw, chop chop.


Chaoser wanted Gonzaw to shoot at dawn, effectively killing 24 hours of discussion.

That's exactly what scum would want to happen.


Regarding the plan of guns and not guns claiming, don't you think even the mafia without guns will claim they have guns (maybe 1 won't) so we just end up shooting all our blues for a few days? We don't know how many blues town has so we won't even know if mafia is the group. I don't see how that plan helps anything it isn't like the goons are going to admit they have no guns. We end up have some people claiming to have guns, who don't have guns, but how do we decide who it is? We are back to square 1 but now they know which townies have guns and who doesn't so they can shoot acordingly. We just give them even more information while we are just as confused as before.

Unless I am missing something this is a very bad plan, plus we should worry less about plans and more about about posts. I agree Chaoser trying to push the shot so fast was very very bad. Chaoser, why did you want to stifle so much discussion?


...except here you talk to Zentor...but instead of trying to figure out Zentor's or my alignment based on Zentor's defense of me....he only dwells on that plan I posted and ignores everything else (of course he says that my plan is shit).

On June 13 2012 00:32 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 00:24 chaoser wrote:
On June 13 2012 00:01 MrZentor wrote:
Do you agree that Chaoser is scummy?


I'm ok with gonzaw shooting me right now.


Wow that's an incredibly bold claim. Are you that good at picking out scum, because I got a townie vibe so it is quite shocking for me to see someone so certain. Maybe I am being too sure of things I shouldn't be. I had him pegged as stupid Towney for the giant plan that failed due to not even reading the OP. I like to think that ROL is actually the miller so his defense of him seems like something mafia wouldn't due (sticking their neck out for someone else), especially after they apparently tried to hit last night (Missing KP and no one else claiming to have been hit).

I haven't seen you give strong arguments for his guilt though(maybe I missed it)... are you swayed by Marv's reasoning or do you have your own?


Again, he thinks I'm town, repeating the same thing he said previously (that the only arguments against me are that I defended RoL last night and he didn't think a mafia would do it).


On June 13 2012 02:06 rastaban wrote:
I say we have Gonzaw shoot payl. We find out if Gonzow has a gun and if he does, we off the single post Smurf. I have a feeling at least one if not more of the mafia are in the lurking crowd intentionally or not and it is causing confusion in the Mafia ranks.

If gonzaw won't fire lets let chaoser kill him.


So here he jumps on the "let gonzaw shoot or be shot" wagon again...even though he thought I was town.

On June 13 2012 03:24 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 03:22 marvellosity wrote:
On June 13 2012 03:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Nevermind on the supersoft bit. His most recent 2-3 posts make it far less likely.

We should have Zentor shoot gonzaw.


Very happy with this

I concur with this statement.


Now he just straights wants me shot (he concurs on Zentor shooting me).
No indication of what changed his town read on me

On June 13 2012 03:38 rastaban wrote:

@gonzaw But the whole point is that you can't shoot. I thought you could shoot, so now that you can't and you have this many accusations on you it is time to kill you. Claim your role if you are town.


So he changed his town read on me to a scum read just because I couldn't shoot.

He never specified he thought I was town because I could shoot initially, and afterwards he never specified he thought I was scum because I couldn't shoot (until he was called out on it).


He still hasn't contributed on anything else, not even on Zentor as he promised to. He just made his flip-flopping on me, and discussed about Millers and plans...even though it's not N0 anymore.

And I think he can't shoot either, because of this:

On June 12 2012 13:38 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 13:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
If we don't have a target for gonzaw to shoot by, say, the 20 hour mark into the day, I say we should shoot gonzaw. I volunteer to be that person.

If anyone shoots before that time I say we kill them tomorrow.


I support this!


Supports wbg shooting me....not volunteering himself to shoot me.

On June 13 2012 02:06 rastaban wrote:
I say we have Gonzaw shoot payl. We find out if Gonzow has a gun and if he does, we off the single post Smurf. I have a feeling at least one if not more of the mafia are in the lurking crowd intentionally or not and it is causing confusion in the Mafia ranks.

If gonzaw won't fire lets let chaoser kill him.


Supports chaoser shooting me...not volunteering himself to shoot me.

On June 13 2012 03:24 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 03:22 marvellosity wrote:
On June 13 2012 03:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Nevermind on the supersoft bit. His most recent 2-3 posts make it far less likely.

We should have Zentor shoot gonzaw.


Very happy with this

I concur with this statement.


Supports Zentor shooting me...not volunteering himself to shoot me.

On June 13 2012 04:03 rastaban wrote:
Sorry gonzaw I won't tell you if I have a gun or not, Scum is already trying to snipe our VEs as it is, you will just have to wait and see.


This basically seals it for me, he doesn't have a gun.

Not only that, but he's diverting attention off it by saying that scum are sniping "VEs" (I guess he meant VT's).

Why does claiming blue have anything to do with sniping VT's? There have been like 5 people that claimed they were VTs already, if scum are sniping VTs at most they'll be "sniping" them, whether you claim you have a gun or not.
What difference does it make?


This convinced me he has a gun, but his previous behaviour and the fact he's trying to dodge the issue of claiming a gun based on bad reasoning makes me think he's scum.


Of course if I'm somehow wrong and he's VT he can change all this by shooting me and proving me wrong.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
June 12 2012 22:42 GMT
#608
marv, shoot him. I want to see it from you. Especially since you said:

To the bold: I very much want to shoot him. I want this day to come to a conclusion by me shooting him. There's a tonne of ppl who haven't been around today yet though, so I don't want to jump the gun. Forgive the pun


and still haven't pulled the trigger after his bullshit claim.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
June 12 2012 22:43 GMT
#609
On June 13 2012 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
Could the cop have possibly been naive given the wording in the OP etc?


The OP is clear; the only Cop sanities are Sane, Insane or Paranoid.

On June 13 2012 07:39 rastaban wrote:
EBWOP
While we are at it, Did mafia roles get assigned or did they get to pick who got what rolls? (like choose who is GF)


Not relevant.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 12 2012 22:43 GMT
#610
i'm not shooting him right this minute. i want my mod question answered first.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 12 2012 22:44 GMT
#611
there we go
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 12 2012 22:45 GMT
#612
On June 13 2012 07:42 chaoser wrote:
marv, shoot him. I want to see it from you. Especially since you said:

Show nested quote +
To the bold: I very much want to shoot him. I want this day to come to a conclusion by me shooting him. There's a tonne of ppl who haven't been around today yet though, so I don't want to jump the gun. Forgive the pun


and still haven't pulled the trigger after his bullshit claim.


Shut up chaoser.


Why wouldn't you want rastaban or even payl/other lurker shooting me?

marv can prove he's VT by shooting later, wouldn't you want someone more suspicious to prove he's VT first?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 12 2012 22:45 GMT
#613
yeah I really don't more good looking people to claim either way.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 12 2012 22:45 GMT
#614
EBWOP:

My rastaban case:
This convinced me he DOESN'T HAVE a gun, but his previous behaviour and the fact he's trying to dodge the issue of claiming a gun based on bad reasoning makes me think he's scum.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 12 2012 22:46 GMT
#615
On June 13 2012 07:45 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah I really don't want more good looking people to claim either way.

EBWOP
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 12 2012 22:46 GMT
#616
I must have missed it somewhere, how do we know it's 1 gf 3 goons?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 12 2012 22:47 GMT
#617
because 2 or more gfs is bullshit. But who knows, it's closed :p
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 12 2012 22:48 GMT
#618
Someone should shoot risknuke and kitaman soon too.

Cephiro has disappeared as well, not a good sign at all coming from him (whether he's nice and all like in DF2 or just straight up crazy like in Liar Game)
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2012 22:48 GMT
#619
Hmmmm...marv, kita came in here with a pretty decent explanation as to why there wouldn't be 2 GFs in this setup...it has to do with how quickly the game would end with two of them.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 12 2012 22:48 GMT
#620
On June 13 2012 07:31 marvellosity wrote:
He can't fake a breadcrumb? Look at how much trouble he was in when he made it. Go back and read the thread (this isn't me being aggressive, just asking you to do so)

I did go ahead and reread his filter and yours as well for your posts against him. It's pretty convincing stuff and the way that gonzaw is attempting to shift focus onto rastaban away from the people we had previously lined up to kill him is also scummy. Given what I just read and gonzaw's last post I'm down with killing him.

I don't want rastaban to shoot though. I think we need to have payl or someone like that shoot since it seems like gonzaw really doesn't want them involved.
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