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Point of the matter is, no one was going to agree with it, especially not the person I was asking to do it since everyone has come out against "shooting early".
My asking him to do it though, does bring out a shit ton of pressure. First of all, to gonzaw, given his stances so far, I should be appearing extremely scummy to ask him to shoot immediately and he should be all over me trying to pressure me about why I was doing something that he SHOULD be considering to be scummy.
But he doesn't. Instead he starts focusing on the SK when he SHOULD be focusing on mafia. "RoL is SK, no wait, WBG is SK." He's not responding back to my asking him to shoot; in fact he's taken a passive stance to it "I will only shoot if everyone wants me to". Given what he had said previously (and his play in previous games), he SHOULD be acting like zentor, but instead he's backing away from my pressure.
Well I'm turning on the full pressure now. Gonzaw, you can shoot me if you want, let's see it. Or do you want to say you don't think I'm scummy?
The beautiful thing about this game is that everyone can act on their reads if they want. That means mafia can't just go off making cases against people because in the end, they would be forced to back it up (shoot). That puts a lot of restrictions on mafia. Townies however, don't have that restriction; to be sure, townies are somewhat restricted but they are not as restricted as mafia. So to pressure them to shoot their suspicions, is one very good way to catch mafia. If they can't respond, then they're mafia since they can't shoot.
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On June 13 2012 00:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 00:24 chaoser wrote:On June 13 2012 00:01 MrZentor wrote:
Do you agree that Chaoser is scummy? I'm ok with gonzaw shooting me right now. why are you ok with that?
Cause I think he's mafia.
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On June 13 2012 00:43 marvellosity wrote:
Someone remind me why we want to give mafia a chance to shoot people instead of just shooting them
cause mafia can't shoot in the day unless they're the GF. I don't think gonzaw is a GF if he's mafia because in his first post he tries to push the responsibility of the first day's kill to the miller.
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If he was the GF, the strongest play he could make is to say, "I volunteer myself to make the first kill of the game, direct me town and I will shoot. I'm either townie or I'm GF and if I'm GF I will be restricted in my actions because all of you will be focused on me for the rest of the game to see if I'm GF or not"
And then he just plays his regular game that he played in Liar's Game and he'd probably get far enough with his "towncred" to fuck town over.
but instead he plays a passive game (I will make plans about other people shooting, I will focus on the SK and not the mafia) meaning if he's mafia then he's not GF.
Notice how he's ok with the idea that SK didn't shoot last night (which puts SK in a horrible position for day as he would HAVE to be the one shooting or he's modkilled) but he's not ok with the idea that mafia didn't shoot (I suggest this in a post to probe his reaction) because it "doesn't make sense". Both non-kills don't make sense but he immediately jumps on this idea of SK and then focuses on it solely (After N0 ended, the majority of his posts with "substance" is focused on the issue of finding the SK) and doesn't really pay much attention to finding mafia when my two main posts (gonzaw should shoot RIGHT NOW and mafia didn't shoot last night) are ignored even though I'm sure most people reading those two posts, had they been directed at them would have thought them weird and would have been more forceful in their replies back to me.
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On June 13 2012 00:58 marvellosity wrote:
But how can you distinguish between him being a blue who can't shoot and a regular goon? You cannot. The only way you can tell is by analysing him in the first place, and by doing that we come to the decision he's scum.
So just shoot him. See what I'm saying?
Given his posting, he's definitely not a blue since he keeps saying "I'll shoot if everyone wants me to, etc. etc.". He's basically pushing the issue off while trying to get town to focus on the SK (by talking about if RoL is it or WBG is it). If town bites on the SK bit and shoots one of them then day ends and he gets to leave another day, hopefully to disappear from the forefronts of our thoughts.
If he was blue he's just ignore the issue of shooting because he can't shoot. He's definitely not a doctor since he starts asking about missed shots when, if he was, he would know about it (since RoL said he got shot).
Given what you've written about him, do you think he's blue or mafia if he can't shoot?
I mean, marv, you think he's mafia too, you can shoot him as well. Are you too scared to do it? Can't handle the responsibility?
But if I had to be truthful and give my main reason for why I'm asking him to shoot me, it's because in this game, town gets to experience the rare pleasure of making and then watching that mafia squirm, which is a particular indulgence of mine that I don't get to experience much.
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it was also a shitty breadcrumb. gonzaw is lying, supersoft was a shitty check as a first check for sanity's sake. Not to mention his own reason now for his checkign supersoft to check for sanity was that "He was being retarded on purpose most likely. Considering his status I don't see why he couldn't have been shot, specially after his whole" which pretty much boils down to "I checked him cause in previous games he died early" which is in no way a good person to pick.
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marv, shoot him. I want to see it from you. Especially since you said:
To the bold: I very much want to shoot him. I want this day to come to a conclusion by me shooting him. There's a tonne of ppl who haven't been around today yet though, so I don't want to jump the gun. Forgive the pun
and still haven't pulled the trigger after his bullshit claim.
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On June 13 2012 07:45 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 07:42 chaoser wrote:marv, shoot him. I want to see it from you. Especially since you said: To the bold: I very much want to shoot him. I want this day to come to a conclusion by me shooting him. There's a tonne of ppl who haven't been around today yet though, so I don't want to jump the gun. Forgive the pun and still haven't pulled the trigger after his bullshit claim. Shut up chaoser. Why wouldn't you want rastaban or even payl/other lurker shooting me? marv can prove he's VT by shooting later, wouldn't you want someone more suspicious to prove he's VT first?
Sitting here petting my kitten, waiting for your red blood to spill forth while you and yours struggle to and fro is a particular joy I'll be keeping in my memory for a while.
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On June 13 2012 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
I think that needs an answer
On June 13 2012 07:38 marvellosity wrote:
if mods won't clarify here, they wouldn't have clarified to gonzaw.
On June 13 2012 07:43 marvellosity wrote:
i'm not shooting him right this minute. i want my mod question answered first.
On June 13 2012 07:44 marvellosity wrote:
there we go
On June 13 2012 07:46 marvellosity wrote:
I must have missed it somewhere, how do we know it's 1 gf 3 goons?
On June 13 2012 07:55 marvellosity wrote:
gosh this is horrible. going to have to reread fucking everything.
All I'm seeing is excuses. I await your shot, you have 5 hours till 24 hours is up.
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On June 13 2012 09:05 marvellosity wrote:
So... I'll leave everyone else to catch the scum now. Sound good?
Just pick yourself up and go at it again. It's not like one mistake means the end of the game.
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