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Hey everyone, I agree with a policy VE lynch off the bat gogogo. ##Vote: VisceraEyes
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On May 21 2012 12:00 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 05:38 Acrofales wrote:
Also, if all I had were town games in my history, discrediting any meta-analysis off the bat seems like a pretty good idea for scum. If you thought your playstyle was working, why change it up? of his last 3 games, he lost 2 of them, and was nearly mislynched in the other. I wouldn't define that as "his playstyle working". what kind of crappy misformulated discreditation is this? Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 05:30 Acrofales wrote:
Yo Tunkeg. Glad to see you got that first post out of the way. Always a bitch as scum. You wrote a wall of text which says jack diddly squat. Bugs posted some decent advice, Nova and I indicated who we're keeping eyes on. You just posted a load of nonsense about yourself that I for one am not interested in. his first post had 50x the content you had. then you try and buddy to nova saying you two are "keeping eyes on people"; all you posted was a joke accusation on Mattchew. Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 07:23 Acrofales wrote:
Hrmmm, Navillus, that's pretty interesting. Did Bugs give good advice or bad advice? Navilus also posted a semi joke accusation on bugs ("i only recognize 2 vets so i vote the one who has less votes") Found scum. that was easy. you play exactly like forumite's scum: ask tons of questions, do diddly squat ##Vote: Acrofales
I'm inclined to agree with you here. Add to the fact that the last game I played with him as scum, he was almost caught right off the bat on day 1, only for us to change last minute. Seems to like playing scummy when he's scum. ##Vote: Acrofales
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Wait, gotta unvote first.
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On May 21 2012 18:00 Tunkeg wrote:
@Zealos
I can see why someone would throw out a random vote on someone to pressure as number one (even if I don't think it is a great way of pressuring).You do this as number two on VE, for no reason. And next you are sheeping ET on his Acrofalis vote. Why did you vote VE? And could elaborate why you are voting Acrofalis?
Ok, vote on VE was a joke, as also as a cheeky backup vote in case I forgot to vote later in the day :X
I'm voting Acro because for the time being he is the best choice in my opinion. ET's case makes sense to me. Add this to the fact that in the last game he was scum he played similar to the way he is in this game, yet wasn't lynched, and I don't want to make the same mistake again. If he can start posting usefully, then it would help alleviate some of this suspicion.
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On May 21 2012 19:53 Acrofales wrote:
@Zealos: if I were to go by GoT mafia I would lynch you off the bat: you were the 5th scum, the way you played that. Your reads were terrible that game and scumteam was rather happy to keep you around. I would try not to draw attention to that game if I were you. Sheeping ET is maybe marginally better than actually trying to follow your own reads, so kudos.
Trying to get the attention off you by using a personal insult about the first game I ever played seems a bit shit, you got anything to say about the actual case I made, instead of about me?
On May 21 2012 20:39 zelblade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 18:30 Zealos wrote:On May 21 2012 18:00 Tunkeg wrote:
@Zealos
I can see why someone would throw out a random vote on someone to pressure as number one (even if I don't think it is a great way of pressuring).You do this as number two on VE, for no reason. And next you are sheeping ET on his Acrofalis vote. Why did you vote VE? And could elaborate why you are voting Acrofalis?
Ok, vote on VE was a joke, as also as a cheeky backup vote in case I forgot to vote later in the day :X I'm voting Acro because for the time being he is the best choice in my opinion. ET's case makes sense to me. Add this to the fact that in the last game he was scum he played similar to the way he is in this game, yet wasn't lynched, and I don't want to make the same mistake again. If he can start posting usefully, then it would help alleviate some of this suspicion. Hey, care to elaborate on how his playstyle is similar?
And yeah, right off the bat on that game, he voted on some random guy, followed by being called out by someone as scum, then proceeded to WAY overreact in the guise of being "Afraid of death"
Obviously, now he's tried to run away in the face of being called out, his replacement will have to convince us he isn't mafia.
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On May 21 2012 22:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:On May 21 2012 19:53 Acrofales wrote:
@Zealos: if I were to go by GoT mafia I would lynch you off the bat: you were the 5th scum, the way you played that. Your reads were terrible that game and scumteam was rather happy to keep you around. I would try not to draw attention to that game if I were you. Sheeping ET is maybe marginally better than actually trying to follow your own reads, so kudos. Trying to get the attention off you by using a personal insult about the first game I ever played seems a bit shit, you got anything to say about the actual case I made, instead of about me? On May 21 2012 20:39 zelblade wrote:On May 21 2012 18:30 Zealos wrote:On May 21 2012 18:00 Tunkeg wrote:
@Zealos
I can see why someone would throw out a random vote on someone to pressure as number one (even if I don't think it is a great way of pressuring).You do this as number two on VE, for no reason. And next you are sheeping ET on his Acrofalis vote. Why did you vote VE? And could elaborate why you are voting Acrofalis?
Ok, vote on VE was a joke, as also as a cheeky backup vote in case I forgot to vote later in the day :X I'm voting Acro because for the time being he is the best choice in my opinion. ET's case makes sense to me. Add this to the fact that in the last game he was scum he played similar to the way he is in this game, yet wasn't lynched, and I don't want to make the same mistake again. If he can start posting usefully, then it would help alleviate some of this suspicion. Hey, care to elaborate on how his playstyle is similar? And yeah, right off the bat on that game, he voted on some random guy, followed by being called out by someone as scum, then proceeded to WAY overreact in the guise of being "Afraid of death" Obviously, now he's tried to run away in the face of being called out, his replacement will have to convince us he isn't mafia. A couple of things about this post and in general. Firstly I will not be held responsible for Acro's posting, deal with it. I will be held responsible for my own. I replaced into SNMM XI and said this, and I was townie: Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 07:02 marvellosity wrote:
Second of all, I am not AcesAnoka. You may think his posting is terrible as hell or that he was scummy and lurky or whatever, but please approach my posting with an open mind. If you're gonna call me scum, call me scum because of what I've done.
Secondly, your post I quoted. Were you seriously having a go at Acro for insulting you for your first game played, when your entire case on him rests on his scum-play on the first game he played?
If you don't know the difference between an insult and analysis, then you're not going to be useful this game.
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On May 21 2012 23:34 marvellosity wrote:
The point, Zealos, is that whether it was addressed as an insult or not, Acro said your scumreads were bad that game. I am going to presume he is telling the truth, or you would have corrected me.
You cry "but it was my first game douchebag!" before using Acro's first game as the basis for your case.
I never denied that my scumreads were bad that game. That is irrelevant to the fact that he is acting in a similarly scummy way as he did in that game. When I made a point against him, instead of refuting the central argument, he just used an insult to try to discredit me. I also gather that it will be impossible for you to defend yourself for the actions of Acro, and so it would be unfair to lynch you from that alone, but I am still suspicious of you.
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On May 22 2012 18:21 Nova_Terra wrote:
Right now im finding Mattchews play kind of cute, frustrating but cute. if he doesnt actually make some good, non-MTG card flavor analysis in the near future then I would be open to lynching him.
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On May 22 2012 21:22 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 19:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 18:02 Acid~ wrote:
It looks like marvellosity's picked up right where Acrofales left off: buddying with Nova and voting without reasoning.
##Vote marvellosity Apparently you can't read. Well done you. Oh, really ? If I may : 1. Voting without reasoning : Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 06:03 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: Mattchew
I just can't bear it.
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 06:03 marvellosity wrote:
To be clear: this is absolutely a policy lynch.
I'm pretty sure the 2nd part is the reasoning, its a policy lynch against an annoying posting style that isn't helping town.
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On May 22 2012 22:31 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
mhhhmm... whereas your accusation of me earlier was unjustified, you are now using my accusation of you due to your unjustified accusation to change the minds of others into thinking i am scum thank you for planting the seed of doubt in peoples minds, you are just making me more suspicious of you as time goes by.
wut?
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On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos
Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O
Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.
##vote: MouldyJeb
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On May 22 2012 23:51 zelblade wrote:
@zelbade
Care to answer the same question (strongest scumread) as I asked HiroPro?
My suspicions currently are rather weak. My strongest scumread if you would call it that would be zealos, who has been quick to jump on every wagon (VE, Marv, and now mouldy jeb). Whilst sheeping isnt neccessarily a scumtell, I dont like how jumpy his vote has been, going from person to person.
I would want to lynch him, but I kind of need to go and sleep soon and introducing a new candidate at this point will probably result in a no-lynch which I would rather avoid.
You seriously think that my vote on VE was serious? :O
Also, I have given perfectly valid reasoning for my change of heart on Acro/Marv. I am still suspicious of him, but it wouldn't be fair to vote him as a new player in the game, as he can't explain why Acro said what he said.
The vote on mouldy seems pretty reasonable at this point, considering his posting. I don't understand what the problem is with changing your vote as the day goes by, as new things happen. Maybe I should wait till later in the day to make my first vote, so I avoid changing it over and over, but eh. I don't plan on changing my vote unless something pretty major were to change my mind.
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Your messed up quotes messed up mine post too :X
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On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why?
Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting.
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On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread?
No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it.
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On May 23 2012 00:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. This isn't acceptable. You're effectively throwing your day 1 vote away because you can't be bothered to spend the time to form a proper opinion.
Not the case. My opinion is that Jeb should be lynched. The reason is twofold. 1. He is still a strong scumread, even though I said it was more likely that he is bad town. 2. That he has lurked, then been less than useless to town. I think he is a strong lynch, regardless of whether I have a strong scumread.
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On May 23 2012 00:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:16 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:09 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. This isn't acceptable. You're effectively throwing your day 1 vote away because you can't be bothered to spend the time to form a proper opinion. Not the case. My opinion is that Jeb should be lynched. The reason is twofold. 1. He is still a strong scumread, even though I said it was more likely that he is bad town. 2. That he has lurked, then been less than useless to town. I think he is a strong lynch, regardless of whether I have a strong scumread. So people, what do we think of Zealos? He votes on MouldyJeb who he thinks is bad town. He tells me he doesn't have a strong scumread. Then he reiterates that in fact Mouldy IS a strong scumread, even though he is likely town (seriously, wtf). Contradictions abound.
I think he is bad town. He may also be scum. He's a strong lynch.
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Just woke up. Lynch is a shame, but worse things can happen, I've got some pretty good scumreads to post, and I'll do them just before deadline to avoid getting killed if possible/gives me time to put together a decent case(s)
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Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself. He seems very good at pointing out problems, asking questions and what not, but I want to know who you want to kill and why
Not to mention from the very start he distances himself from Acro, instead of trying to make himself look more innocent:
Firstly I will not be held responsible for Acro's posting, deal with it.
I understand the reasoning, but it seems like a free copout for acro's scummy posting. Not to mention he makes a lot of small posts with very little use for them other than to seem active.
Holy moly I have two votes
You're right, I don't, Zealos unvoted me.
no u
My point is that townies should in general strive to be as lucid and clear as possible. Don't give a flying two hoots what you think, if Mattchew just talks in plain text, it will achieve this better than speaking in MTG speak or whatever.
Frankly I'm bored with the sheer quantity of townies who seem to not want to do this. Hence the vote. (ironic)
The point is, useful townies don't use the thread as a place to have a conversation, they use it to root out scum.
So Marvellosity, you've got 4 bullets in your gun, who dies and why?
Other than that, I would currently put my vote on Zelblade First off, he comes up with this paragraph O' nothing:
Why is it, might I ask, a pro-town play? Last I checked it doesnt friggin matter if your methods work if youre being totally distruptive, which means no one is going to listen to you even if you get x/x scum correct.
For example in LI Tunkeg decided to post a list about how "good" people were judging by the number of games they have played, and suggested a lynch on Jackal because he was supposedly the worst player in the game according to statistics. I am going to assume this is what he meant to with that that game was simply to draw out reactions, and it didnt work so well, simply due to the fact that that list managed to throw off the thread into a lovely discussion (for scum anyway) about how his way of judging supposed skill level was inaccurate and stuff, how he should change the formula blabla, and basically with a few attacks on his play here and there, he had a decent portion of town thinking he was scum.
I will assume that one would easily see why he would think his stratergy isnt exactly the best when it causes him to nearly get mislynched day 1. Also being able to finger every single scum is great, sure, but would you trust his reads if he shits up the thread?
That being said, how is trying out a new style scummy, might I ask? Sure, it could be scum saying that as a preemptive excuse for different meta, but it could easily be town trying to play better as well. I find it somewhat suspicious that you decided to nitpick on such a thing - considering it isnt all that rare for players to want to try out a new style of play once in a while.
And yea Acrofales was pretty obviously joking around a little with the stats and some other stuff.
All that with no actual opinion, other than just asking a question or so. In fact, looking over it, he hasn't made one decent opinion all game, when it finally came down to it and he had to vote, the best he could come up with was:
On May 23 2012 00:00 zelblade wrote:
Apparently I screwed up that quote tag -_-
Eh I just realised its pluarity lynch lol. I am considering if I should dump my vote on zealos and see if it gains any traction or onto one of the three leading candidates. Kind of a hard decision since I wouldnt mind all of them dying.
Mattchew is still being a pain in the ass, though his posts are starting to get understandable, and he actually has more content than say, mouldy jeb. Probably not the best lynch today, think hes town.
I still think nova is scummy. But mouldy more so. Agree with marv's case generally.
##vote: Mouldy Jeb
Also I am going to sleep soon (school) so I probably cant change my vote (deadline sucks for me as usual -_-).
A seemingly random vote for me, followed by a load of wishy washy stuff about the lynching system and why he may as well vote for moudly. I'll be very interested to see if he can come up with anything useful to say about anyway. Because for now I'd like to see him dead. Make sure when you make your case, you tell us exactly who you'd like to see dead please, because at the moment you've been sitting on the fence so much your ass will be getting red.
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On May 24 2012 00:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
So Marvellosity, you've got 4 bullets in your gun, who dies and why?
I'm thrilled you ask. I present Zealos the Contradictor. Nothing is coherent. The Mouldy Jeb and scumreads affair. Firstly I'm just going to requote my earlier post. Mouldy is a scumread except he's town except he's voting for him except he's not a strong scumread except he is a scumread except he's probably town. Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:21 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. On May 23 2012 00:16 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:09 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:
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"In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos
Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. This isn't acceptable. You're effectively throwing your day 1 vote away because you can't be bothered to spend the time to form a proper opinion. Not the case. My opinion is that Jeb should be lynched. The reason is twofold. 1. He is still a strong scumread, even though I said it was more likely that he is bad town. 2. That he has lurked, then been less than useless to town. I think he is a strong lynch, regardless of whether I have a strong scumread. So people, what do we think of Zealos? He votes on MouldyJeb who he thinks is bad town. He tells me he doesn't have a strong scumread. Then he reiterates that in fact Mouldy IS a strong scumread, even though he is likely town (seriously, wtf). Contradictions abound. Check out particularly the things I had bolded in the nested quotes. This ties in heavily to whether or not Zealos has scumreads. Because apparently on day 1 he was happy to lynch someone he thought was bad town. Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. This post in particular abdicates any duty to search for scum and lynch them day 1. When Zealos left last night, he did not have any strong scumreads (apart from Mouldy. who wasn't actually a strong read. etc). Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 17:57 Zealos wrote:
Just woke up. Lynch is a shame, but worse things can happen, I've got some pretty good scumreads to post, and I'll do them just before deadline to avoid getting killed if possible/gives me time to put together a decent case(s) But what's this? The lynch has passed, Zealos has just woken up - and now he magically has 'pretty good' scumreads. Where did these come from? In his sleep? Why were they not posted, you know, during the time we lynch people? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 'case' on Acro and inconsistent application of arguments: Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 18:30 Zealos wrote:
I'm voting Acro because for the time being he is the best choice in my opinion. ET's case makes sense to me. Add this to the fact that in the last game he was scum he played similar to the way he is in this game, yet wasn't lynched, and I don't want to make the same mistake again. If he can start posting usefully, then it would help alleviate some of this suspicion. Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:On May 21 2012 19:53 Acrofales wrote:
@Zealos: if I were to go by GoT mafia I would lynch you off the bat: you were the 5th scum, the way you played that. Your reads were terrible that game and scumteam was rather happy to keep you around. I would try not to draw attention to that game if I were you. Sheeping ET is maybe marginally better than actually trying to follow your own reads, so kudos. Trying to get the attention off you by using a personal insult about the first game I ever played seems a bit shit, you got anything to say about the actual case I made, instead of about me? Zealos' 'case' on Acro consisted of "you seem to be playing similarly to your scummy meta". He and I may have different interpretations of what means what in Mafia, but this does not a case make. What is Acro supposed to say? Yes? No? Ok? The only part of his case is an attempt at meta. Funny, then, how he completely disregards meta while attacking me. I'm cropping the following post because I'm going to use it again. Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself. He seems very good at pointing out problems, asking questions and what not, but I want to know who you want to kill and why
The point is, useful townies don't use the thread as a place to have a conversation, they use it to root out scum.
"Could I just point out" he asks innocently. Given how he was so keen to bring up Acro's meta, it's awfully negligent for him to ignore mine. A cursory check on my games indicates I post a lot, regardless of alignment. For example, I have an 8 page filter as my only scum game in LIV in a 79 page game. I have a 12 page filter from LIII when I played town and died just before page 100. I post a lot regardless of alignment. His part on me with relation to Acro: Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:Not to mention from the very start he distances himself from Acro, instead of trying to make himself look more innocent: Firstly I will not be held responsible for Acro's posting, deal with it. I understand the reasoning, but it seems like a free copout for acro's scummy posting. Not to mention he makes a lot of small posts with very little use for them other than to seem active. Again, he's putting suspicion on to me, but for what? He completely neglects to mention that the part he's talking about, I even provided a direct link to what I said when I last replaced into a game. It seems like a free copout for Acro's posting? What the fuck am I supposed to do about Acro's posting? It's just insidious. And again with the lots of posts comment when if he was consistent he would know that I post like that. Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself.
Handily glosses over that I was one of the first players to make a coherent case on Mouldy: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2012 23:01 marvellosity wrote:Just had a good go over Mouldy and I think he might actually be a pretty good lynch. Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 18:37 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
hi- now my presence is known. saying "get rid of a veteran" indicates that you are worried that an experienced Mafia player will either weasel you out~ if your mafia or kill you if you are not so due to this rash decision to get rid of competition so on that note #vote:Nova_Terra I don't understand this. An experienced mafia player would kill nova as a prime target? Unlikely. Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 20:54 Mouldy Jeb wrote:tera~ this game is full of people jumping to conclusions so don't get a bit pissed  This implies that his previous post was 'jumping to conclusions'. Basically admitting his last post was rubbish. Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 21:39 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
an apt point, i was making a split second judgement I'm not saying I'm against you I'm just stating at that time you seemed to have the most random vote based only on the fact he was a vet. also my vote isn't by far final He's voting for him, but he's not against him? A final sentence indicating he's happy to back down from his vote. Then why make it? Just because other people are doing so? Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 07:10 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
mattchew, just because im considering that my vote may have been based on an ill judgement doesn't mean im scum just means ill have to wait till tomorrow to consolidate all the evidence from each persons posts to conjure up a decision on who to vote for. Ok, we're gonna have evidence consolidated from each person's post leading to a reasoned vote. Glad to hear it. Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 22:22 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
early game i suspected nova because of rash decision making from his part and myself assuming the worst, matchew voting for me which wasn't given a viable explanation so i would be inclined to vote for matchew due to his random train of thought against others ## vote:mattchew Gonna have to disagree with Mouldy on what consolidated evidence means I think. "inclined" to vote based on "random train of thought against others" - what does this even mean? It rather seems he's jumping on an easy wagon that's already started, because he's been voted against by said player, with a nonsensical reason. Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. ??? Overall - votes for Nova and admits it wasn't a proper vote, wishy washy about what the vote meant - basically his posts are just setting himself up to back down from the vote on Nova. A promise of consolidated evidence instead followed by a vote with a barely understandable explanation. Also going back to my earlier posts, he is hard to understand and does not post his thoughts clearly (well, actually he seems not to have clear thoughts anyway). At this time I would prefer a Jebjeb lynch. His posting both seems scummy while at the same time hard to understand. ##Unvote: Mattchew
##Vote: MouldyJeb ------------------------------------------------ In Summary: Zealos blatantly contradicts himself as to whether he has scumreads on day 1, not able to keep up a consistent story. He abdicates responsibility for providing scumreads, but appears with them during the night, having formed them in his sleep. He attempts to use meta to attack Acrofales, but totally neglects to check my meta when attacking me.
Explain again exactly why me muddling up my words on day1 makes me mafia exactly.
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On May 24 2012 02:24 Mattchew wrote:The wizard's spellbook was full of burning questions.Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 21:10 zelblade wrote:
will probably present my thoughts tomorrow. Why
@WBG/VERiches must be divided, but real wealth can be shared.+ Show Spoiler +The pain is so great, he can't help but share it with others. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fgpyX.jpg)
I think this is probably the closest we're gonna get to a normal post from him :X
What are you feelings on ET if we eliminate past games?
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On May 24 2012 00:42 marvellosity wrote:
In Summary:1. Zealos blatantly contradicts himself as to whether he has scumreads on day 1, not able to keep up a consistent story. He abdicates responsibility for providing scumreads, but appears with them during the night, 2. having formed them in his sleep. 3.He attempts to use meta to attack Acrofales, 4.but totally neglects to check my meta when attacking me.
1. This was a jumble of words. I struggle to see why you still try to use this as a case.
2. Cute, you seem to think things through.
3. It was a game I had played with him, and I remembered the start quite well, hence why I used it.
4. As per 3, I didn't "Check" anyones meta, it was just something I happened to remember perfectly from my first game.
Your case almost seemed reasonable apart from the fact your summary does nothing to point me as mafia, instead, it just tries to find flaws in my case against you.
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On May 24 2012 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
It looks to me to be a fine summary of the reasons he has come to the conclusion that you're scum. What part of thecJeb case did you most agree with Zealos?
I thought the jeb was the "most likely" candidate for mafia at the time, as he came up with nothing useful, and the moment he was pressured he backed down again. I also felt he was more likely to be town than mafia, but either way was going to be useless.
The reason I got jumbled was that I failed to explain the difference between me thinking he was more likely than not mafia, and me thinking he is the person most likely to be mafia.
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On May 24 2012 06:16 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 04:58 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
It looks to me to be a fine summary of the reasons he has come to the conclusion that you're scum. What part of thecJeb case did you most agree with Zealos? I thought the jeb was the "most likely" candidate for mafia at the time, as he came up with nothing useful, and the moment he was pressured he backed down again. I also felt he was more likely to be town than mafia, but either way was going to be useless. The reason I got jumbled was that I failed to explain the difference between me thinking he was more likely than not mafia, and me thinking he is the person most likely to be mafia. You voted for someone who was more likely town than mafia???
yes.
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On May 24 2012 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I'm going to go with Zealos because he had concluded that he thought Jeb was likely town, yet thought he was a good lynch
I'd have thought that anyone with half a brain would have realized that on a polarity lynch, you vote for whoever is most likely mafia, instead of those who you think are more likely mafia than not. Otherwise someone who is less likely scum imo would be lynched.
Not to mention he was a useless town anyway.
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On May 24 2012 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:12 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I'm going to go with Zealos because he had concluded that he thought Jeb was likely town, yet thought he was a good lynch I'd have thought that anyone with half a brain would have realized that on a polarity lynch, you vote for whoever is most likely mafia, instead of those who you think are more likely mafia than not. Otherwise someone who is less likely scum imo would be lynched. Not to mention he was a useless town anyway. There's no such thing as useless town, that's an idiotic notion and you should let it go now. Every townie you call useless is one more day we have to find and kill scum...each one we lynch is one lynch that was meant for scum. Stop pushing scum agendas thx.
I like that you ignore the main part of the post, and just focus on the single sentence at the end. Of all the people in the game, he was the one that was the best lynch.
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On May 24 2012 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
You bore me.
Acid who would you kill today? I'm not surprised. So are you still down with killing one of Zealos/Tunkeg? ##Vote: ZealosI prefer Zealos myself, for the reasons I've stated. I have a sneaking suspicion however that you prefer Tunkeg, am I right?
y b voting for a Townie
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On May 24 2012 07:27 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:24 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 24 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
You bore me.
Acid who would you kill today? I'm not surprised. So are you still down with killing one of Zealos/Tunkeg? ##Vote: ZealosI prefer Zealos myself, for the reasons I've stated. I have a sneaking suspicion however that you prefer Tunkeg, am I right? y b voting for a Townie Y B lying Scum?
U B the one spreadin' lies.
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On May 24 2012 07:32 HiroPro wrote:
Stop posting like 5 year olds and read my case.
Your case makes no sense whatsoever. But that might just be me.
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On May 24 2012 07:43 HiroPro wrote:
Thanks for the input, Tunkeg's scumbuddy.
I don't understand the reasoning at all. His number one read died, why does that make him scum exactly?
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If anything it would make it harder for him, as he'll have to find a different target?
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On May 24 2012 07:44 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:19 HiroPro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2012 00:14 Tunkeg wrote:
EchelonTee - Scum
So I have changed my mind. I had ET leaning town early on in the game, I was wrong. He is scum, and this is why:
1. He have been trying to appear active while not really being active. His post have mostly consisted of oneliners, soft accusations and defending others. I think his defence om me was for this purpose only. To appear active, get easy townpoints and be able to put down an early vote. Isolated I viewed his arguement with Acrofalis as townie, as he was sticking his head out. In hindsight I see this as mentioned above - a way to appear active.
2. He don't really want to give us his reads. I have asked him for reads two times, he ignores it. Why dodge questions like that if you are town? Sure, he might think they are trivial and not worth spending his time on. But I see refusing to answer questions as scummy.
3. He listed that he would be ok with lynching jeb, acid and Katina without any reason. Between them there are two newbies, who are an easy misslynch because they are inexperienced and Katina, who is famous for being very lurky (at least she have been in all games I have played with her), and is also a player that is easy to get a misslynch on.
4. He voted for jeb just before the deadline (on the deadline actually) without any reason. And in a very suspicious way: "When is the deadline", like he did it on purpose, so that he wouldn't have to post any reasoning to why he voted jeb, and not get hold accountable for it.
ET is my number one scumread. Feel free to discuss it or not, especially if you disagree. If you agreeyou are probably better off waiting until after the night is over. Because if ET is scum scumteam will probably lynch someone who agrees to make it less likely he get lynched on day 2. Oh look, your "number one scumread" died. How convenient. Guess that gives you more time to post useless questions and lists, huh. ##Vote Tunkeg This makes no sense whatsoever.
He also Tunkeg's scumbuddy hiro?
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In fact, hiro, you've written nothing of substance all game bar a case against Mouldy. Your points against Tunkeg have seemed weak, and your latest post is downright dreadful. Seems like you're tunnelling tunkeg to avoid giving any other reads.
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On May 24 2012 07:50 HiroPro wrote:
This entire game Tunkeg has been posting useless stuff. When his scumread dies he can just claim that he needs think about his reads and reevaluate them. All he's going to do is jump on a wagon with some minimal reasoning.
Surely it would be easier to leave his number one scumread alive and just keep repeating what he's already said no?
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On May 24 2012 07:56 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:51 Zealos wrote:
In fact, hiro, you've written nothing of substance all game bar a case against Mouldy. Your points against Tunkeg have seemed weak, and your latest post is downright dreadful. Seems like you're tunnelling tunkeg to avoid giving any other reads. Oh I see. Apparently posting cases and reads on the people I think are scum is a scummy thing. Maybe I should go after people I think are town, the way you do?
If you really thought he was scum, you might make a decent effort to convince other people to vote for your read too, thats kind of the point of a town player, right?
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On May 24 2012 08:08 HiroPro wrote:
And in the future, don't tell people to stop posting like 5th graders if you're just going to post like a 5th grader ("Guys stop talking unless you're gonna talk about me!"). Oh I see. What you have been doing this game other than get into arguments???[/QUOTE]
This is a game of arguments, it's how you root out Hiro
Wait, I mean Scum
##Vote: HiroPro
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Screwed up the post, but you get the idea.
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On May 24 2012 08:10 HiroPro wrote:
Posts cases. Gives reasons. Scum shows up and says "oh but why aren't you trying to convince other people, huh".
There's no point telling people that you think someones scum if you're not gonna try to convince the town to vote with you, or it's just a waste of a vote.
I guess it would be convenient for the mafia players though, tell the town you think someone is scum, but because you don't make a case, no one else will vote for him, so the player will never die and you'll never get proved wrong.
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On May 24 2012 08:16 marvellosity wrote:Also, because it got lost on the last page: Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:07 marvellosity wrote:On May 24 2012 07:12 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I'm going to go with Zealos because he had concluded that he thought Jeb was likely town, yet thought he was a good lynch I'd have thought that anyone with half a brain would have realized that on a polarity lynch, you vote for whoever is most likely mafia, instead of those who you think are more likely mafia than not. Otherwise someone who is less likely scum imo would be lynched. Not to mention he was a useless town anyway. Convenient, then, that you decided not to spend the time looking for scum and instead deferred doing so until after the lynch. ##Vote: Zealos Zealos: why exactly is Hiro scum for arguing with you?
I was asleep. Deal.
Hiro isn't scum for arguing with me. He's scum for making a useless case that makes literally no sense at all. It feels like he made the case just for the sake of making the case, and as a result, it didn't make sense.
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Actually, to clarify the first portion of the post. I was asleep just before deadline. I still felt mouldy was the best lynch. Looking for scum doesn't help when there's nothing to see.
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On May 24 2012 08:20 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:14 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 08:10 HiroPro wrote:
Posts cases. Gives reasons. Scum shows up and says "oh but why aren't you trying to convince other people, huh". There's no point telling people that you think someones scum if you're not gonna try to convince the town to vote with you, or it's just a waste of a vote. I guess it would be convenient for the mafia players though, tell the town you think someone is scum, but because you don't make a case, no one else will vote for him, so the player will never die and you'll never get proved wrong. Bla bla bla bla bla. I like saying useless WIFOM stuff to fill up my filter.
Well this is a really townie looking defense.
Very keen to shit up the thread Hiro?
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On May 24 2012 08:22 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:18 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 08:16 marvellosity wrote:Also, because it got lost on the last page: On May 24 2012 08:07 marvellosity wrote:On May 24 2012 07:12 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I'm going to go with Zealos because he had concluded that he thought Jeb was likely town, yet thought he was a good lynch I'd have thought that anyone with half a brain would have realized that on a polarity lynch, you vote for whoever is most likely mafia, instead of those who you think are more likely mafia than not. Otherwise someone who is less likely scum imo would be lynched. Not to mention he was a useless town anyway. Convenient, then, that you decided not to spend the time looking for scum and instead deferred doing so until after the lynch. ##Vote: Zealos Zealos: why exactly is Hiro scum for arguing with you? I was asleep. Deal.Hiro isn't scum for arguing with me. He's scum for making a useless case that makes literally no sense at all. It feels like he made the case just for the sake of making the case, and as a result, it didn't make sense. Ok guys, we're lynching Zealos today. See bold for his excuse on not providing scumreads. See below timestamp for his post where he deferred his scumhunting: Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. 00:04 KST, otherwise known as 16:04 BST. Asleep my arse. This guy is fucking scummyscumscum.
Notice my 2nd part. I said I didn't have any scumreads. I fail to see what's difficult to understand.
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On May 24 2012 08:24 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:20 Zealos wrote:
Actually, to clarify the first portion of the post. I was asleep just before deadline. I still felt mouldy was the best lynch. Looking for scum doesn't help when there's nothing to see. Even this is still bullshit. Everything that you posted in your 'cases' on me and zelblade happened BEFORE the post I timestamped above. Scum.
So the one thing I have done that is actually scummy is that I didnt have cases on day1?
He's got me guys, looks like I'm gonna die.
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On May 24 2012 08:25 marvellosity wrote:
And notice my 2nd part, darling.
Lazy ≠ Scum.
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On May 24 2012 08:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:26 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 08:24 marvellosity wrote:On May 24 2012 08:20 Zealos wrote:
Actually, to clarify the first portion of the post. I was asleep just before deadline. I still felt mouldy was the best lynch. Looking for scum doesn't help when there's nothing to see. Even this is still bullshit. Everything that you posted in your 'cases' on me and zelblade happened BEFORE the post I timestamped above. Scum. So the one thing I have done that is actually scummy is that I didnt have cases on day1? He's got me guys, looks like I'm gonna die. The one thing? you're handily forgetting my entire case preceding this. This is just the red cherry on top of your sweet red scum head.
Uh huh. Is that so ~
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Well, I'm Going to bed I won't be posting until I've woken up AND done my exam. Sorry <3 Don't kill me for going to bed please.
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I can't believe no one else detects the Red on Hiro.....
I guess I'll try to convince you later, got an exam to run to.
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On May 24 2012 15:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Guys, this is in the bag. bugs, Nova, bang, bang. Half the scum dead. This is really happening, 2 scum down. We just have to make them die.
Join me.
Add hiro to the list and we can make it happen. As a gesture of faith, we can go ahead and kill hiro today.
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On May 24 2012 19:21 marvellosity wrote:
As opposed to Zealos who was happy bandwagoning Mouldy Jeb who he believed to be town, because he couldn't be arsed to actually find scum. Bleh.
Let me spell it out to you, as you don't seem to understand.
In a game where some one has to die, and my current reads are:
13 town looking players
1 scummy but still overall town, also useless in general.
Who do you vote for? It's like trying to explain maths to a toodler...
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On May 24 2012 19:28 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:24 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 19:21 marvellosity wrote:
As opposed to Zealos who was happy bandwagoning Mouldy Jeb who he believed to be town, because he couldn't be arsed to actually find scum. Bleh. Let me spell it out to you, as you don't seem to understand. In a game where some one has to die, and my current reads are: 13 town looking players 1 scummy but still overall town, also useless in general. Who do you vote for? It's like trying to explain maths to a toodler... Let me spell it out to you, because you're an idiot. In a game where one has to die, and each lynch is important. You decide not to look for scum until after the lynch is over and lynch someone you believe to be a townie instead. As pointed out the 'reads you came up with all happened before you decided to pack it in for the day and be happy with lynching someone you thought was town. I voted for someone who I thought was scum. It's like trying to explain mafia to a toddler? No, I do toddlers a disservice. To a fucking stone.
I voted for the person who seemed most likely scum at the time. Obviously, he flipped town, so clearly I'm mafia because logic.
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On May 24 2012 20:02 marvellosity wrote:
Yep, way to not be able to read and misrepresent what's been said. You're a real star.
You're saying because I wasn't able to find, and vote for, a scum on day1, I'm mafia.
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Marvel displaying his apt reading skills. Clearly hiro's my number one scumread at this point, his case at the start of the day literally screamed mafia to me.
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On May 24 2012 20:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:14 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 20:02 marvellosity wrote:
Yep, way to not be able to read and misrepresent what's been said. You're a real star. You're saying because I wasn't able to find, and vote for, a scum on day1, I'm mafia. No, I'm saying that you COULD have done so. You abdicated searching for scum 7+ hours from the deadline, and the next day your reads all came from posts before that point. You actively chose NOT to hunt for scum when judging by your later cases the evidence was there for you, and you chose to lynch a townie because you actively chose this option.
I'm not the only one who didn't make a case on day1, why me?
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Ok, fair enough, give me 2 mins.
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It's more a case of, his case jumped at me, and the follow up digging pulled up some "interesting" things.
Firstly: His cases are full of a LOT of bull:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2012 06:58 HiroPro wrote:+ Show Spoiler [I don't think any of you guys ev…] +On May 22 2012 00:31 HiroPro wrote:There are two things that make me suspicious of Tunkeg. The first is the timing of Tunkeg's "I'm going to change it up" post. Either town or scum are capable of saying that they want to change their playstyle. If you look at this game, ET also says that he wants to change his play. But he does this BEFORE roles are out. The second is the way that Tunkeg responds to Acrofales's post against him: HE DOESN'T RESPOND. Show nested quote +
You don't like my opening post, and thats ok. ET is comming to my defense, and are voting for you. What is your take on this situation? Do you think ET have any motives for defending me, and if so what are they?
All he does is go "lolol someone coming to my defense" and try to shift attention onto ET "Do you think ET have any motives for defending me". Show nested quote +
@VE
What do yout hink of WBG's helpfull opening post? I ask you because you got the most experience with him. As a standard normal player I would put this as a pro-town. With WBG I am unsure, as he is thought of as one of the best scumplayers on TL, and I think he is capable of leveling us with these kinds of posts.
@WBG
If you were a dayvig and had to lynch someone right now, who would it be and why?
@Acrofalis
You don't like my opening post, and thats ok. ET is comming to my defense, and are voting for you. What is your take on this situation? Do you think ET have any motives for defending me, and if so what are they?
@NT
What do you think about Acrofalis play thus far?
@ET
Not to derail your arguemnent with Acrofalis to much, but what do you get out of Zealos posts thus far?
@Zealos
I can see why someone would throw out a random vote on someone to pressure as number one (even if I don't think it is a great way of pressuring).You do this as number two on VE, for no reason. And next you are sheeping ET on his Acrofalis vote. Why did you vote VE? And could elaborate why you are voting Acrofalis?
These questions are meaningless. Tunkeg doesn't actually pressure anyone. He doesn't follow up on them or use them in his "list of 'reads'". He says that he wants to post better analysis, but he doesn't actually do that. Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 00:14 Tunkeg wrote:
EchelonTee - Scum
So I have changed my mind. I had ET leaning town early on in the game, I was wrong. He is scum, and this is why:
1. He have been trying to appear active while not really being active. His post have mostly consisted of oneliners, soft accusations and defending others. I think his defence om me was for this purpose only. To appear active, get easy townpoints and be able to put down an early vote. Isolated I viewed his arguement with Acrofalis as townie, as he was sticking his head out. In hindsight I see this as mentioned above - a way to appear active.
2. He don't really want to give us his reads. I have asked him for reads two times, he ignores it. Why dodge questions like that if you are town? Sure, he might think they are trivial and not worth spending his time on. But I see refusing to answer questions as scummy.
3. He listed that he would be ok with lynching jeb, acid and Katina without any reason. Between them there are two newbies, who are an easy misslynch because they are inexperienced and Katina, who is famous for being very lurky (at least she have been in all games I have played with her), and is also a player that is easy to get a misslynch on.
4. He voted for jeb just before the deadline (on the deadline actually) without any reason. And in a very suspicious way: "When is the deadline", like he did it on purpose, so that he wouldn't have to post any reasoning to why he voted jeb, and not get hold accountable for it.
ET is my number one scumread. Feel free to discuss it or not, especially if you disagree. If you agreeyou are probably better off waiting until after the night is over. Because if ET is scum scumteam will probably lynch someone who agrees to make it less likely he get lynched on day 2. As for his "case" against ET, lol. Apparently, in Tunkeg world, being an active poster who pressures people is a scum trait. Tunkeg is a faker.
All this is, is quoting Tunkeg, then calling his case stupid. There's no substance at all, why isn't he actually trying to convince people that Tunkeg is mafia, instead of just saying LOLOLSCUM!111
Second: This still makes me lol: On May 24 2012 07:19 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2012 00:14 Tunkeg wrote:
EchelonTee - Scum
So I have changed my mind. I had ET leaning town early on in the game, I was wrong. He is scum, and this is why:
1. He have been trying to appear active while not really being active. His post have mostly consisted of oneliners, soft accusations and defending others. I think his defence om me was for this purpose only. To appear active, get easy townpoints and be able to put down an early vote. Isolated I viewed his arguement with Acrofalis as townie, as he was sticking his head out. In hindsight I see this as mentioned above - a way to appear active.
2. He don't really want to give us his reads. I have asked him for reads two times, he ignores it. Why dodge questions like that if you are town? Sure, he might think they are trivial and not worth spending his time on. But I see refusing to answer questions as scummy.
3. He listed that he would be ok with lynching jeb, acid and Katina without any reason. Between them there are two newbies, who are an easy misslynch because they are inexperienced and Katina, who is famous for being very lurky (at least she have been in all games I have played with her), and is also a player that is easy to get a misslynch on.
4. He voted for jeb just before the deadline (on the deadline actually) without any reason. And in a very suspicious way: "When is the deadline", like he did it on purpose, so that he wouldn't have to post any reasoning to why he voted jeb, and not get hold accountable for it.
ET is my number one scumread. Feel free to discuss it or not, especially if you disagree. If you agreeyou are probably better off waiting until after the night is over. Because if ET is scum scumteam will probably lynch someone who agrees to make it less likely he get lynched on day 2. Oh look, your "number one scumread" died. How convenient. Guess that gives you more time to post useless questions and lists, huh. ##Vote Tunkeg
This is utter rubbish. It makes no sense whatsoever, and it seems strange that when a townie is killed, the first thing he thinks of is Tunkegs number one scumread. No looking into the reason of death or anything, just using it to continue to tunnel Tunkeg.
Thanks for the input, Tunkeg's scumbuddy. -- Thanks for the useful comment, Hiro.
Bla bla bla bla bla. I like saying useless WIFOM stuff to fill up my filter. I'm pretty sure your entire case after his number one scumread died was WIFOM. Are you secretly claiming scum in thread?
And then look at this gem:
On May 24 2012 08:27 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:22 marvellosity wrote:On May 24 2012 08:18 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 08:16 marvellosity wrote:Also, because it got lost on the last page: On May 24 2012 08:07 marvellosity wrote:On May 24 2012 07:12 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I'm going to go with Zealos because he had concluded that he thought Jeb was likely town, yet thought he was a good lynch I'd have thought that anyone with half a brain would have realized that on a polarity lynch, you vote for whoever is most likely mafia, instead of those who you think are more likely mafia than not. Otherwise someone who is less likely scum imo would be lynched. Not to mention he was a useless town anyway. Convenient, then, that you decided not to spend the time looking for scum and instead deferred doing so until after the lynch. ##Vote: Zealos Zealos: why exactly is Hiro scum for arguing with you? I was asleep. Deal.Hiro isn't scum for arguing with me. He's scum for making a useless case that makes literally no sense at all. It feels like he made the case just for the sake of making the case, and as a result, it didn't make sense. Ok guys, we're lynching Zealos today. See bold for his excuse on not providing scumreads. See below timestamp for his post where he deferred his scumhunting: On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. 00:04 KST, otherwise known as 16:04 BST. Asleep my arse. This guy is fucking scummyscumscum. BOOM. We can lynch this guy today and Tunkeg tomorrow. ##Unvote
##Vote Zealos
"Ok, Tunkeg might not die, lets just hop on the bandwagon of someone who can actually construct proper cases, then continue tunneling Tunkeg after."
He is super duper red. Vote for him now?
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Yeah, there's no doubt it's different, I just don't see why a town would post the way he does. Anyone with a reasonable level of logic would realize that his case made no sense, so I assume he did. So why did he make it in the first place, and try to back it up when it was clear it wasn't reasonable?
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but does he have a town play when he's aggressive? If not, it kinda seems irrelevant, if it's a completely new meta for him.
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I don't get it. You guys seem happy to complain that I'm not defending myself, and yet, I've defended myself from what Marvel said as far as I'm concerned, any more back and forth only serves to clutter the thread. If any of you people can make the time to actually make decent cases instead of just complaining at each other back and forth. Notice an absence of Hiro? I do. He's happy to sit and watch townies attack each other.
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On May 25 2012 04:38 HiroPro wrote:
Look at what he wrote. He said that he had townie reads on everyone, but less so of a townie read on Mouldy Jeb. That's bullshit; nobody has zero scum reads. And then he comes back later with some cases, which he apparently didn't feel like coming out with when he voted for someone he thought was townie.
We can either lynch Zealos or we can lynch Tunkeg. There's a huge fucking difference between people who write tons of fake crap and don't care about their votes (Tunkeg and Zealos) and people who don't post anything at all (Zelblade).
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Urm. You say no-one has zero scum reads. Lets look at yours:
Push tunkeg with shit case. Continue to push tunkeg with even worse case. Jump on a Zealos bandwagon.
Who is on your scumteam scummy scum?
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On May 25 2012 04:54 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 04:41 Zealos wrote:On May 25 2012 04:38 HiroPro wrote:
Look at what he wrote. He said that he had townie reads on everyone, but less so of a townie read on Mouldy Jeb. That's bullshit; nobody has zero scum reads. And then he comes back later with some cases, which he apparently didn't feel like coming out with when he voted for someone he thought was townie.
We can either lynch Zealos or we can lynch Tunkeg. There's a huge fucking difference between people who write tons of fake crap and don't care about their votes (Tunkeg and Zealos) and people who don't post anything at all (Zelblade). Urm. You say no-one has zero scum reads. Lets look at yours: Push tunkeg with shit case. Continue to push tunkeg with even worse case. Jump on a Zealos bandwagon. Who is on your scumteam scummy scum? You don't even say anything legitimate about faults in my Tunkeg case. I already answered the doubts that VE and marv had about my case: 1. VE Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:08 HiroPro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2012 07:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hiro, your case is pretty bad, I'll summarize it here:
- Pre-game, claimed he wanted to change up his style
- Attempting to appear useful and active while not contributing himself
- His scumread died overnight.
First of all, Tunkeg's assertion that his style would be different this game is not indicative of his alignment as he said it (as far as I know) before the roles went out. Are you saying he said this BEFORE he knew he was scum IN CASE he rolled scum so he could subvert his scum meta? That's a stretch, I don't care how you look at it.
Oh that's funny. Cause it's an OUTRIGHT LIE. Tunkeg doesn't mention anything like that before the game starts. That big "I want to change my style. No, no it's not cause I rolled scum. It's because I want to improve my analysis skills" post is after the day 1 post. Are you telling me that Tunkeg didn't know his role at that point. Bullshit. Second, I'm not sure why you attempt to discredit his case against ET, but it seemed well enough thought out, and the points he raised were pretty valid - I had to go back and reread ET to find out if I missed something after reading his case. Yet all you have to say about the case is the following: Show nested quote +In his case, HiroPro wrote:
As for his "case" against ET, lol. Apparently, in Tunkeg world, being an active poster who pressures people is a scum trait. Tunkeg is a faker. All he does is hard-defend ET here - not refute Tunkeg's points or even address the case at all...only buddy up to the one Tunkeg was attacking. That's it. So why was it bad exactly? Do you disagree with his points? Why? 1. Huh this point isn't valid at all. Being active and pressuring is people is what town does. 2. Oh he doesn't your huge list of questions. Maybe cause they're worthless. 3. Ooh. ooh. he wants to take the easy scum targets. Maybe he doesn't want to give cases at nighttime??? 4. Maybe true. But if he was scum, then why the hell would he vote for someone he knows is townie when it doesn't matter??? He would vote for someone else. Bam. Fake case broken down.
And in the future, don't tell people to stop posting like 5th graders if you're just going to post like a 5th grader ("Guys stop talking unless you're gonna talk about me!").
Oh I see. What you have been doing this game other than get into arguments??? 2. Marv Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:19 HiroPro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2012 08:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:10 HiroPro wrote:
Posts cases. Gives reasons. Scum shows up and says "oh but why aren't you trying to convince other people, huh". Stop it. All I get from your case on Tunkeg is that he made a post you didn't like that asked a lot of his questions and his scumread died. Part 2 (ET dying) is wifom-central so I'm going to ignore that for the moment. What else makes him scum other than the fact he made a list of questions you don't like? Did you even read my case. The entire fake first post where he tries to discredit his meta AFTER he got his role. Or the fact that he tries to quietly get Acrofales to go after ET. Or the fact that he doesn't actually try to pressure anyone this game. Even the post where he votes for Mattchew is like "oh this guy might be disruptive townie. or he might be scum". And then he follows with some wishy-washy garbage to cover up for himself
"There is one arguement for not lynching him though, and that is: Would really scum draw this much attention to themself? Most likely not, but in TL Mafia where disruptive players never get lynched it would be a viable strategy. "
"Jump on a Zealos bandwagon"? I read the case Marv had on you. I saw the stupid little shit that you posted to try to discredit me. I actually have legitimate reads and reasons behind my votes, unlike you. I'm not sharing my scum team, when I only have 2 strong reads. Connection stuff is dumb until you actually have dead scum to look at.
Neither of these are cases, and you damn well know it. You're just defending yourself, not putting pressure on them.
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Can one of the vets please read my filter, and then honestly say the only thing that jumps out out them is a few bits and bobs that make me look scummy?
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I can't believe with all the scummy shit going on today that you guys still think I'm the best lynch....
There's still time guys, let's try and hit red today, instead of wasting another day.
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On May 25 2012 20:23 zelblade wrote:
To be fair most of that was a conversation with WBG.
Tunkeg does look like scum who has given up though, seems like he isnt even trying anymore.
But zealos first.
@zealos who is the most likely to flip red today?
Just saw this. In my mind, I can't see hiro flipping anything but red.
Tunkeg clearly isn't mafia, he's just a godawful town.
I also think one of WBG and VE are scum, unless they're playing us like a fiddle and they're both mafia, but I wouldn't feel comfortable lynching either of them today.
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On May 25 2012 21:08 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 21:05 Zealos wrote:On May 25 2012 20:23 zelblade wrote:
To be fair most of that was a conversation with WBG.
Tunkeg does look like scum who has given up though, seems like he isnt even trying anymore.
But zealos first.
@zealos who is the most likely to flip red today? Tunkeg clearly isn't mafia, he's just a godawful town. there is no way anyone who doesn't know tunkeg's alignment would come to this conclusion stick with the zealos vote
Just look at him. Can you honestly say a mafia would play like that?
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On May 25 2012 21:08 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 21:05 Zealos wrote:On May 25 2012 20:23 zelblade wrote:
To be fair most of that was a conversation with WBG.
Tunkeg does look like scum who has given up though, seems like he isnt even trying anymore.
But zealos first.
@zealos who is the most likely to flip red today? Tunkeg clearly isn't mafia, he's just a godawful town. there is no way anyone who doesn't know tunkeg's alignment would come to this conclusion stick with the zealos vote
I mean, whats his agenda? What does he serve to gain from acting like that. He just looks like a super frustrated townie. A sentiment that I can relate too.
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On May 25 2012 21:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 21:08 Mattchew wrote:On May 25 2012 21:05 Zealos wrote:On May 25 2012 20:23 zelblade wrote:
To be fair most of that was a conversation with WBG.
Tunkeg does look like scum who has given up though, seems like he isnt even trying anymore.
But zealos first.
@zealos who is the most likely to flip red today? Tunkeg clearly isn't mafia, he's just a godawful town. there is no way anyone who doesn't know tunkeg's alignment would come to this conclusion stick with the zealos vote Mattchew - do you accept zelblade's real life excuse and what he's posted? How has his return altered your read? Zealos - if you weren't gonna lynch Hiro, then who?
Probably Zelblade atm. He just doesn't to seem to have anything going for him. Even if his RL excuse is true, he's still been lurking like hell. I wanna hear what he has to say.
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@Zelblade: Can you post something useful?
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On May 25 2012 23:03 marvellosity wrote:Well, why don't you have a read of my katina post yourself? 
Obviously I didn't take part in the games you're referencing, but I'll take your word, unless you think I should read them over.
Assuming you're right with what you're saying, and Katina is normally very strong with her scumreads, maybe we should be putting more pressure on Nova. Her case is pretty weak, and I'd like her to elaborate on why she thinks Nova is scum, if she really believes Nova is scum, then she should try harder to convince us to vote for him.
In general though, it feels like people are to happy to see one good case and just jump on, rather than try to improve town atmosphere overall. Even if these players are town, they seem far too happy to sit back and let one or 2 influential veterans do all their work for them.
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I would say that based on purely the thread so far, I would agree with you, however I would like to hear Katina elaborate on her case further, to see if she really thinks Nova is scum, or whether it's a case of "I need someone to call mafia, so I'll just call out the spammer"
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Any more posting on my part seems a waste of time at this point. Just make sure to read my filter when I flip, you'll see who needs lynching.
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On May 25 2012 23:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 23:28 Zealos wrote:
Any more posting on my part seems a waste of time at this point. Just make sure to read my filter when I flip, you'll see who needs lynching. You do realise that even if you are townie, it doesn't make you miraculously correct in your reads, right? ^^
You're right
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On May 26 2012 00:12 marvellosity wrote:I would like to add a bit of meta case to my argument against Zealos. Where he was scum in SNMM X he was aggressive from the get go. He was townie in LIV and although he got mod-killed early and made practically no posts, there was one post that stands out. Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 01:30 Zealos wrote:
At the moment it just feels like we are running in circles. We seem to be very quick at voting for the first thing that anyone does wrong without really thinking about it. We need to vote when we actually have a decent read, not when someone makes an offhand remark that seems a tiny bit "off" That's what I won't be voting till a little later, when I've got a better idea of who's who.
I think the Blub thing at the start was really pretty strange, but I'm not convinced it warrants a vote on its own.
Palmar: I don't get why he has to post so much useless stuff. I don't ever agree with the arguement "It's what he normally does" because it just lets him hide his scumminess. So what I would say to you is; if you're town, just tone it down a bit to allow people to make useful points instead of constantly replying to random stuff you're posting.
Conciliatory. Constructive. Non-abrasive - even when he's having a go at Palmar, he's actually trying to get him to post more usefully. To the part in bold: he's not willing to make a vote there and then. He wants to think about it, and make a strong read before committing to a vote. Compare to this game. 1st post: Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 07:05 Zealos wrote:
Hey everyone, I agree with a policy VE lynch off the bat gogogo. ##Vote: VisceraEyes 2nd post: Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 15:28 Zealos wrote:On May 21 2012 12:00 EchelonTee wrote:On May 21 2012 05:38 Acrofales wrote:
Also, if all I had were town games in my history, discrediting any meta-analysis off the bat seems like a pretty good idea for scum. If you thought your playstyle was working, why change it up? of his last 3 games, he lost 2 of them, and was nearly mislynched in the other. I wouldn't define that as "his playstyle working". what kind of crappy misformulated discreditation is this? On May 21 2012 05:30 Acrofales wrote:
Yo Tunkeg. Glad to see you got that first post out of the way. Always a bitch as scum. You wrote a wall of text which says jack diddly squat. Bugs posted some decent advice, Nova and I indicated who we're keeping eyes on. You just posted a load of nonsense about yourself that I for one am not interested in. his first post had 50x the content you had. then you try and buddy to nova saying you two are "keeping eyes on people"; all you posted was a joke accusation on Mattchew. On May 21 2012 07:23 Acrofales wrote:
Hrmmm, Navillus, that's pretty interesting. Did Bugs give good advice or bad advice? Navilus also posted a semi joke accusation on bugs ("i only recognize 2 vets so i vote the one who has less votes") Found scum. that was easy. you play exactly like forumite's scum: ask tons of questions, do diddly squat ##Vote: Acrofales I'm inclined to agree with you here. Add to the fact that the last game I played with him as scum, he was almost caught right off the bat on day 1, only for us to change last minute. Seems to like playing scummy when he's scum. ##Vote: Acrofales Another vote: Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo. ##vote: MouldyJeb Another post: Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. I've posted 4 quotes here. He immediately votes on VE and then immediately switches to Acrofales. He later switches to Mouldy, with an excuse for deferring his scum hunt until later. Just for emphasis, compare to his attitude as town in LIV: Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 01:30 Zealos wrote:
We need to vote when we actually have a decent read, not when someone makes an offhand remark that seems a tiny bit "off" That's what I won't be voting till a little later, when I've got a better idea of who's who.
It doesn't add up.
That's terrible meta. Check my other town meta. I always come off aggressive and abrasive, its my nature. I like to argue. I mean just look at my case against risen from my other town game. You're picking and choosing things that suit your case without looking at it objectively.
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On May 26 2012 00:14 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 20:08 Tunkeg wrote:On May 25 2012 19:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Well it's either a DT check or a case, neither of which are believable.
Wrong again, there won't be any information that is relevant for todays lynch in it... Cool, just like all the other stuff you post. Thanks for sharing. Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 23:17 Zealos wrote:On May 25 2012 23:03 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2012 23:02 Zealos wrote:
@Zelblade: Can you post something useful? Well, why don't you have a read of my katina post yourself? Obviously I didn't take part in the games you're referencing, but I'll take your word, unless you think I should read them over. Assuming you're right with what you're saying, and Katina is normally very strong with her scumreads, maybe we should be putting more pressure on Nova. Her case is pretty weak, and I'd like her to elaborate on why she thinks Nova is scum, if she really believes Nova is scum, then she should try harder to convince us to vote for him. DING DING DING DING DING DING DING.
Can we get a votecount, or is there a recent one I missed?
And can this guy die already. He's bolded without even reading what I'm fucking saying. Jesus christ.
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On May 26 2012 00:12 marvellosity wrote:I would like to add a bit of meta case to my argument against Zealos. Where he was scum in SNMM X he was aggressive from the get go. He was townie in LIV and although he got mod-killed early and made practically no posts, there was one post that stands out. Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 01:30 Zealos wrote:
At the moment it just feels like we are running in circles. We seem to be very quick at voting for the first thing that anyone does wrong without really thinking about it. We need to vote when we actually have a decent read, not when someone makes an offhand remark that seems a tiny bit "off" That's what I won't be voting till a little later, when I've got a better idea of who's who.
I think the Blub thing at the start was really pretty strange, but I'm not convinced it warrants a vote on its own.
Palmar: I don't get why he has to post so much useless stuff. I don't ever agree with the arguement "It's what he normally does" because it just lets him hide his scumminess. So what I would say to you is; if you're town, just tone it down a bit to allow people to make useful points instead of constantly replying to random stuff you're posting.
Conciliatory. Constructive. Non-abrasive - even when he's having a go at Palmar, he's actually trying to get him to post more usefully. To the part in bold: he's not willing to make a vote there and then. He wants to think about it, and make a strong read before committing to a vote. Compare to this game. 1st post: Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 07:05 Zealos wrote:
Hey everyone, I agree with a policy VE lynch off the bat gogogo. ##Vote: VisceraEyes 2nd post: Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 15:28 Zealos wrote:On May 21 2012 12:00 EchelonTee wrote:On May 21 2012 05:38 Acrofales wrote:
Also, if all I had were town games in my history, discrediting any meta-analysis off the bat seems like a pretty good idea for scum. If you thought your playstyle was working, why change it up? of his last 3 games, he lost 2 of them, and was nearly mislynched in the other. I wouldn't define that as "his playstyle working". what kind of crappy misformulated discreditation is this? On May 21 2012 05:30 Acrofales wrote:
Yo Tunkeg. Glad to see you got that first post out of the way. Always a bitch as scum. You wrote a wall of text which says jack diddly squat. Bugs posted some decent advice, Nova and I indicated who we're keeping eyes on. You just posted a load of nonsense about yourself that I for one am not interested in. his first post had 50x the content you had. then you try and buddy to nova saying you two are "keeping eyes on people"; all you posted was a joke accusation on Mattchew. On May 21 2012 07:23 Acrofales wrote:
Hrmmm, Navillus, that's pretty interesting. Did Bugs give good advice or bad advice? Navilus also posted a semi joke accusation on bugs ("i only recognize 2 vets so i vote the one who has less votes") Found scum. that was easy. you play exactly like forumite's scum: ask tons of questions, do diddly squat ##Vote: Acrofales I'm inclined to agree with you here. Add to the fact that the last game I played with him as scum, he was almost caught right off the bat on day 1, only for us to change last minute. Seems to like playing scummy when he's scum. ##Vote: Acrofales Another vote: Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo. ##vote: MouldyJeb Another post: Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. I've posted 4 quotes here. He immediately votes on VE and then immediately switches to Acrofales. He later switches to Mouldy, with an excuse for deferring his scum hunt until later. Just for emphasis, compare to his attitude as town in LIV: Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 01:30 Zealos wrote:
We need to vote when we actually have a decent read, not when someone makes an offhand remark that seems a tiny bit "off" That's what I won't be voting till a little later, when I've got a better idea of who's who.
It doesn't add up.
Also, I didn't make a vote right off, and ended up getting modkilled for not making one at all. I wanted to avoid another modkill, even if it meant having a rubbish vote that meant nothing. Look at my vote for Greymist on my first game, it was pointless, but it meant I made a vote of some kind.
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Oh, and being aggressive from the get go in my mafia game I referenced almost got my killed day1. Why do it again as scum?
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You mean changing my meta from one that didn't work at all? God, I sure feel a fool now.
Stop taking one or two lines and read the whole thing. Her case thus far may well be shit, doesn't mean she hasn't got more to say. Stop being disruptive and irritating mr scum.
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On May 24 2012 15:34 Zealos wrote:
I can't believe no one else detects the Red on Hiro.....
I guess I'll try to convince you later, got an exam to run to.
Was hoping at least one of the vets would pick up on this...
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Ok, give me 2 secs to explain my reasoning.
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So, as you guys know, my thoughts on day 1 were.... to put it bluntly, bad.
My main first case was against acro, which was valid at the time, however, I think it's pretty clear to everyone that Marvel is a town player, so there was no point checking him.
The other player I thought was a bit off was Zel. However, he was being super inactive and lurky at the time, so I expected him to be vigged, and so not worth the check.
The reason I did check Hiro, however, is that he was one of the few people who didn't bother questioning me about Jeb. I stand by my decision to vote for him, but it raised a few eyebrows, and for good reason. Hiro on the other hand didn't think twice of it, and was happy to just watch us townies argue between ourselves.
When he came out red, I *slightly* overreacted, hence, the moment I saw any reason to pile pressure on him, I took it, and hoped town would do the same. When this didn't happen, I subtly claimed in the hope one of the vets would see it. This is also why I asked earlier, that a vet would look over my filter and I asked "Is my few mafia traits the only thing that sticks out?" in the hope they would notice, and attempt to help me swing the votes over to Hiro.
Take from this what you will.
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Correct, not at that point. 24 hours night. Marvel is one of the clearest town reads in the game.
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On May 26 2012 02:17 zelblade wrote:
Wait what you posted that shit during the night?
What did he do in that extremely short timespan that convinced you he wasnt worth a check?
Pretty much from when he responded to the case, hence why I didn't follow it up ^^
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On May 26 2012 02:19 zelblade wrote:
So the two of you dont find this claim extremely convenient and not a little suspect at all?
I initially started on Hiro right at the start of the day. I wasn't even under *that* much pressure at the time. Whatever happens, we'll get one scum today or tomorrow, depending on when we lynch Hiro, let's just keep the DT alive in the meantime shall we?
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On May 26 2012 02:37 zelblade wrote:Man I dont see how you think marv is scummy, than that read suddenly changes to townie enough to not warrant a check just because he decided to attack you. You yourself say its a weak case, and mafia oftentime make terrible cases to mislynch townies, so why the hell did that convince you that he was somehow town? Show nested quote +Your case almost seemed reasonable apart from the fact your summary does nothing to point me as mafia, instead, it just tries to find flaws in my case against you. I'll just put this here. Posted before marv's last post of the night, and from it one can infer that he still thinks marv is suspicious. I dont buy this claim. My vote is sticking on him.
That post isn't relevant to me checking him. It's about the fact that his "case" didn't make me out as mafia, more him as town.
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On May 26 2012 02:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:11 Zealos wrote:
So, as you guys know, my thoughts on day 1 were.... to put it bluntly, bad.
My main first case was against acro, which was valid at the time, however, I think it's pretty clear to everyone that Marvel is a town player, so there was no point checking him.
The other player I thought was a bit off was Zel. However, he was being super inactive and lurky at the time, so I expected him to be vigged, and so not worth the check.
The reason I did check Hiro, however, is that he was one of the few people who didn't bother questioning me about Jeb. I stand by my decision to vote for him, but it raised a few eyebrows, and for good reason. Hiro on the other hand didn't think twice of it, and was happy to just watch us townies argue between ourselves.
When he came out red, I *slightly* overreacted, hence, the moment I saw any reason to pile pressure on him, I took it, and hoped town would do the same. When this didn't happen, I subtly claimed in the hope one of the vets would see it. This is also why I asked earlier, that a vet would look over my filter and I asked "Is my few mafia traits the only thing that sticks out?" in the hope they would notice, and attempt to help me swing the votes over to Hiro.
Take from this what you will. Fuck guys, come on, think about this a little. Firstly, to the bold: you know when zelblade started getting suspicious to a lot of people? The first day of the 2nd Day cycle. Why? because during the Night he said he would provide reads the next day (i.e. the first day of Day 2). zelblade at the time of Night 1 was neither that lurky nor that suspicious to anyone. Further to this, why on earth would Zealos expect him to be vigged? There were several loud claims for vig shots, most notably: me - I wanted NT shot. wherebugsgo - he wanted Zealos and Tunkeg shot. there was also mention of Katina being vigged I believe. Where in all this does Zealos come to the conclusion taht zelblade is likely to be vig shotted? IT MAKES NO SENSE. This is Mafia LI mark 2, can't you guys see that? Think about the timings of when zelblade got suspicious, think who Zealos apparently found suspicious, who Zealos made no mention of at all (seriously, his reason for checking Hiro is superweak - he didn't question me on Moudly?). zelblade was at no risk of being vig shotted. This claim is as false as they come.
Because Zel was inactive and useless to town. I would have vigged him. Also, the hiro reason didn't need to be super strong at the time, it was either that or a random.
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On May 26 2012 02:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:44 Zealos wrote:On May 26 2012 02:42 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2012 02:11 Zealos wrote:
So, as you guys know, my thoughts on day 1 were.... to put it bluntly, bad.
My main first case was against acro, which was valid at the time, however, I think it's pretty clear to everyone that Marvel is a town player, so there was no point checking him.
The other player I thought was a bit off was Zel. However, he was being super inactive and lurky at the time, so I expected him to be vigged, and so not worth the check.
The reason I did check Hiro, however, is that he was one of the few people who didn't bother questioning me about Jeb. I stand by my decision to vote for him, but it raised a few eyebrows, and for good reason. Hiro on the other hand didn't think twice of it, and was happy to just watch us townies argue between ourselves.
When he came out red, I *slightly* overreacted, hence, the moment I saw any reason to pile pressure on him, I took it, and hoped town would do the same. When this didn't happen, I subtly claimed in the hope one of the vets would see it. This is also why I asked earlier, that a vet would look over my filter and I asked "Is my few mafia traits the only thing that sticks out?" in the hope they would notice, and attempt to help me swing the votes over to Hiro.
Take from this what you will. Fuck guys, come on, think about this a little. Firstly, to the bold: you know when zelblade started getting suspicious to a lot of people? The first day of the 2nd Day cycle. Why? because during the Night he said he would provide reads the next day (i.e. the first day of Day 2). zelblade at the time of Night 1 was neither that lurky nor that suspicious to anyone. Further to this, why on earth would Zealos expect him to be vigged? There were several loud claims for vig shots, most notably: me - I wanted NT shot. wherebugsgo - he wanted Zealos and Tunkeg shot. there was also mention of Katina being vigged I believe. Where in all this does Zealos come to the conclusion taht zelblade is likely to be vig shotted? IT MAKES NO SENSE. This is Mafia LI mark 2, can't you guys see that? Think about the timings of when zelblade got suspicious, think who Zealos apparently found suspicious, who Zealos made no mention of at all (seriously, his reason for checking Hiro is superweak - he didn't question me on Moudly?). zelblade was at no risk of being vig shotted. This claim is as false as they come. Because Zel was inactive and useless to town. I would have vigged him. Also, the hiro reason didn't need to be super strong at the time, it was either that or a random. Bullshit. During Day 1 he was not inactive, he only started getting inactive later. Everything in my post stands. Hiro conveniently comes out with this case allowing Zealos to attack him for it, and they proceed to attack each other. Town needs to see that your reason for not checking zelblade is nonsense. You were at a high risk of being lynched Day 2 anyway. You have no breadcrumb on your check. This whole thing reeks.
Well, it's my reason none the less. Your logic isn't the same as mine. I had to chose who to check. I was right.
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Also, I'd always assumed breadcrumbs is when you breadcrumb the result of the check.
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Clearly as scum I would want to do the same thing again. With VE IN THE GAME.
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On May 26 2012 03:20 Katina wrote:Hi guys, I'm going to be really busy today but I will try and post if and when I can. So a N_T lynch isn't going to happen today it seems. Sigh. In that case I'm for a Zealos lynch. His arguments with Hiro have been cluttering up the thread and causing a lot of other posts to get buried. Just like the issues with WBG and VE. I'm suspicious of him so I'm casting my vote ##Vote ZealosSorry N_T I voted. </3 + Show Spoiler +Also any argument that I'm lurking is pretty ridiculous. Just because I don't spam and make 15 posts a day like half the players doesn't mean I'm lurking. Quality over quantity people.
What a dreadful post.
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I just don't understand why you wouldn't vote Hiro first then after seeing I'm DT we can start winning. But eh. You'll get him tomorrow I guess :/
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On May 26 2012 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay wait...Bugs is scum right? He's this big fake-claim advocate as scum...
Mattchew I'm gonna go with my gut here instead of my brain...surprise surprise right?
##Unvote HiroPro
##Vote Zealos
How about going back to your brain? Voting for hiro there is nothing to lose. He. Is. Scum.
Kill him.
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There's much I can do to make you believe my claim. Logic say's it would be better off killing hiro first even if there's only 50% chance of me telling the truth.
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Killing off a detective seems like a strong play at this point....
At least you'll actually bloody kill hiro tomorrow.
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On May 26 2012 05:13 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:45 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 07:44 froggynoddy wrote:On May 24 2012 07:19 HiroPro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2012 00:14 Tunkeg wrote:
EchelonTee - Scum
So I have changed my mind. I had ET leaning town early on in the game, I was wrong. He is scum, and this is why:
1. He have been trying to appear active while not really being active. His post have mostly consisted of oneliners, soft accusations and defending others. I think his defence om me was for this purpose only. To appear active, get easy townpoints and be able to put down an early vote. Isolated I viewed his arguement with Acrofalis as townie, as he was sticking his head out. In hindsight I see this as mentioned above - a way to appear active.
2. He don't really want to give us his reads. I have asked him for reads two times, he ignores it. Why dodge questions like that if you are town? Sure, he might think they are trivial and not worth spending his time on. But I see refusing to answer questions as scummy.
3. He listed that he would be ok with lynching jeb, acid and Katina without any reason. Between them there are two newbies, who are an easy misslynch because they are inexperienced and Katina, who is famous for being very lurky (at least she have been in all games I have played with her), and is also a player that is easy to get a misslynch on.
4. He voted for jeb just before the deadline (on the deadline actually) without any reason. And in a very suspicious way: "When is the deadline", like he did it on purpose, so that he wouldn't have to post any reasoning to why he voted jeb, and not get hold accountable for it.
ET is my number one scumread. Feel free to discuss it or not, especially if you disagree. If you agreeyou are probably better off waiting until after the night is over. Because if ET is scum scumteam will probably lynch someone who agrees to make it less likely he get lynched on day 2. Oh look, your "number one scumread" died. How convenient. Guess that gives you more time to post useless questions and lists, huh. ##Vote Tunkeg This makes no sense whatsoever. He also Tunkeg's scumbuddy hiro? These two posts right here. He talks to Hiro as just another townie at first... Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:51 Zealos wrote:
In fact, hiro, you've written nothing of substance all game bar a case against Mouldy. Your points against Tunkeg have seemed weak, and your latest post is downright dreadful. Seems like you're tunnelling tunkeg to avoid giving any other reads. ...but then has a revelation about Hiro's filter being lacking? This isn't a DT who just got a check on the guy, it's someone who has just now "become suspicious" of the guy. He's lying about the claim.
Because I need to convince other people to get him killed...?
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On May 26 2012 05:35 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:11 Zealos wrote:
So, as you guys know, my thoughts on day 1 were.... to put it bluntly, bad.
My main first case was against acro, which was valid at the time, however, I think it's pretty clear to everyone that Marvel is a town player, so there was no point checking him.
The other player I thought was a bit off was Zel. However, he was being super inactive and lurky at the time, so I expected him to be vigged, and so not worth the check.
The reason I did check Hiro, however, is that he was one of the few people who didn't bother questioning me about Jeb. I stand by my decision to vote for him, but it raised a few eyebrows, and for good reason. Hiro on the other hand didn't think twice of it, and was happy to just watch us townies argue between ourselves.
When he came out red, I *slightly* overreacted, hence, the moment I saw any reason to pile pressure on him, I took it, and hoped town would do the same. When this didn't happen, I subtly claimed in the hope one of the vets would see it. This is also why I asked earlier, that a vet would look over my filter and I asked "Is my few mafia traits the only thing that sticks out?" in the hope they would notice, and attempt to help me swing the votes over to Hiro.
Take from this what you will. This is complete bs. This guy has no breadcrumb of checking me. He definitely acted like he was suspicious of marv throughout the night. He didn't check zelblade, because he was likely to get vigged? Bullshit, cause zelblade wasn't inactive day 1 and not a single person said that they had suspicions of him at night. No one said that they wanted him to be vigged. He randomly goes from trying to poke holes in my Tunkeg case to saying "In fact, this guy is scum!" And not to mention the fact that everything else in his filter indicates he's scummy as hell.
You're complete bs.
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On May 26 2012 05:45 HiroPro wrote:
I'm not responding to this shit anymore. If anyone has something else to discuss, i'll talk, but this guy is just trying to provoke me.
"this guy" has a name and he's a DT scum man.
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On May 26 2012 05:47 froggynoddy wrote:
Zealos looks like you're our lynch then. Should we be wrong apart from Hiro who do you think is scum?
1. Mattchew filter
2. EchelonTee filter
3. Wherebugsgo filter
4. Tunkeg filter
5. Acid~ filter
6. Zealos filter
7. HiroPro filter
8. Mouldy Jeb filter
9. Katina filter
10. Navillus filter
11. Acrofales filter Marvellosity filter
12. Nova_Terra filter
13. VisceraEyes filter
14. zelblade filter
15. Froggynoddy filter
One of the above, take your pick.
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On May 26 2012 05:54 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 05:51 Zealos wrote:On May 26 2012 05:47 froggynoddy wrote:
Zealos looks like you're our lynch then. Should we be wrong apart from Hiro who do you think is scum? 1. Mattchew filter 2. EchelonTee filter 3. Wherebugsgo filter 4. Tunkeg filter 5. Acid~ filter 6. Zealos filter 7. HiroPro filter 8. Mouldy Jeb filter 9. Katina filter 10. Navillus filter 11. Acrofales filter Marvellosity filter 12. Nova_Terra filter 13. VisceraEyes filter 14. zelblade filter 15. Froggynoddy filter One of the above, take your pick. Wait what? You think there are only two scum?
You said who else. I only have one other read.
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On May 26 2012 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean, there's GF and Framer possibilities, but I agree if Zealos flips DT we should absolutely flip Hiro tomorrow. I assume that musing was concerning the possibility of them both being scum at the end there?
We're not both scum. I'm DT, remember. Lynch him tomorrow for me.
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How come the whole mafia team doesn't get released when I die? ;D
gg guys, hf for the rest of game.
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