EPTYou want me to fucking leave Bugs? I mean, I'm going to be playing here and the chances of me being SK VE are pretty fucking slim, so what the fuck
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
You want me to fucking leave Bugs? I mean, I'm going to be playing here and the chances of me being SK VE are pretty fucking slim, so what the fuck | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 26 2012 07:31 wherebugsgo wrote: Like, if you remember LI with the Toad/VE thing, in a situation like this when a scum flips after having pushed someone else pretty heavily, you have almost no way of knowing what the other guy is except based on his own behavior. In LI that was apparent through Toad's own behavior like his own bad claim and his own lack of scumhunting. Also, you don't really have the right to claim this. It was you, specifically you, that raged against the thread and me in particular telling me that Toad was probably town because of his 'meta'. Don't come here and say it was apparent toad was scum when you were the one who defended him most. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 26 2012 07:45 marvellosity wrote: I think you are too quick to dismiss it was wifomy. Of course it is somewhat speculative, and no we shouldn't lynch Hiro on the basis of this alone. But what is playing mafia about at its core? It is about motivations, and especially motivations behind actions. Here we have a very specific action (Zealos choosing Hiro to fake claim on) from a confirmed scum. It is absolutely necessary to think about why Zealos chose HiroPro. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
but remember that from a town hiro perspective he's going to be tunneled on zealos solely because of the pressure, right? So from his experience he's not going to have the ability nor the time to scumhunt much. So regardless of his actual alignment the attack is going to destroy his d2 because he's going to do almost nothing but just OMGUS Zealos. Like, look at how VE's attack on me has affected my play. I can't shake or ignore his attacks because I don't know what his alignment is. I have to consider that they might be genuine and so I need to respond to things that are brought up. If he is scum then what does that say about me? Again, it could say almost anything if you just consider player interaction. That's why I think we need time to consider hiro's behavior on its own. Based on how slow stuff goes in this town I don't think it'd be a great idea to lynch hiro tomorrow because the turnaround would be too fast. I'm curious as to what hiro has to say about all of this. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
You answer me bugs - why did Zealos choose HiroPro, instead of someone like Nova_Terra? I want to know what you think the motivation behind that was. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 26 2012 07:51 marvellosity wrote: He would say "lol I'm town" regardless of his alignment I imagine. You answer me bugs - why did Zealos choose HiroPro, instead of someone like Nova_Terra? I want to know what you think the motivation behind that was. Oooooo, the plot thickens. It seems to me that if Nova_Terra were town, N_T would have been a MUCH better check-claim than Hiro, considering the counter-wagon D1 and all the shit Katina and I were tossing at him D1. This is an excellent point Marvel. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 26 2012 07:46 VisceraEyes wrote: If you want me to leave just say so - the power is in your hands completely. I play because I enjoy it, but if it's making others' experience less enjoyable then I'll fucking leave, no big shakes. You want me to fucking leave Bugs? I mean, I'm going to be playing here and the chances of me being SK VE are pretty fucking slim, so what the fuck town VE wouldn't leave, now would he? I don't know what you wish to accomplish by exaggerating things and creating drama, but when you make ultimatums like "it's going to be between me and you" and "we're going to have to settle this eventually" and stupid stuff like that, then it's clear to me that you have an agenda. If your agenda is to kill me then I can confidently say it's anti-town. I can't say for sure if it's pro-scum since I need to see you play more games. Your last game proved that you're more than willing to simply go against the grain just because you believe the person who is going for the grain is scum. It's irrational from my perspective, but perhaps to you it makes some sort of sense as town. I have no idea. Since I saw that I have reservations about calling you scum. I also know that if you are scum and I retaliate it can result in the nuclear destruction of this thread, much worse than what has happened already. I know that from LI. So, put yourself in my shoes. What would you do? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
So go ahead and freak out about whether or not I'm scum. I know you're scum, so I'm just going to wait until town sees it too and not worry about it anymore. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 26 2012 07:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Piss off bugs, I'm just done responding to you entirely. Me and marvel are going to win this for us, because marvel doesn't have to be insulting when he speaks to people. So go ahead and freak out about whether or not I'm scum. I know you're scum, so I'm just going to wait until town sees it too and not worry about it anymore. I think you're forgetting where I swore at Matt  | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Then you become even madder when I actually do respond to you? I was right, absolutely nothing I do can ever convince you that I am town. Which means you are scum. @Marvellosity: I'm looking through both Hiro's and Zealos's filters now. I think you may have a valid point about hiro but I want to be cautious, which is why I'm reluctant to lynch hiro tomorrow. I am much more confident about Acid, but if Acid is shot tonight and flips scum then we might be in a good spot. What's interesting in hiro's filter is that he doesn't really mention Zealos at all ever until d2 when he takes your case and votes with it. It could very well have been a bus as there were so many votes on Zealos. As hiro was one of the earliest votes on zealos that would make him a prime candidate to be scum with him, since when scum bus they usually put one or two buddies on the wagon (one early and one later) and then put the fourth guy somewhere else, sometimes even soft defending the bussed guy. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
So why NOW? Why would Bugs suddenly give a shit about my play NOW when I'm trying to move past it? That's what I'm meditating on as I go smoke a cigarette. :S | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On May 26 2012 07:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Piss off bugs, I'm just done responding to you entirely. Me and marvel are going to win this for us, because marvel doesn't have to be insulting when he speaks to people. So go ahead and freak out about whether or not I'm scum. I know you're scum, so I'm just going to wait until town sees it too and not worry about it anymore. Hey VE, I am going to sheep my vote on to you. Partly because WBG is a fucking dick, and partly because you are the one that can win us this game. But you are wrong about marvel, he is pretty much as BM as it gets, non the less he is probably town this game. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 26 2012 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, here's what I don't get...the moment I start trying to forget that Bugs is scum so the thread can get something accomplished, THIS is when Bugs loses HIS cool and starts to "retaliate"... That's false and you know it. I've been relatively cool and collected until now where Bugs is concerned, and have been asking his opinion on stuff. While it's true that I've thrown in the occasional "but ur next" and "but ur still scum" or whatever, I thought the smileys made it evident that I'm trying to move past what my tunnel-mode was doing to my play earlier. Also false, you've sworn at me at least five or six times. You have been far from cool and collected. So why NOW? Why would Bugs suddenly give a shit about my play NOW when I'm trying to move past it? That's what I'm meditating on as I go smoke a cigarette. :S Because after 40 or 50 posts of the same tired bullshit, anyone can get pissed off. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 26 2012 08:01 Tunkeg wrote: But you are wrong about marvel, he is pretty much as BM as it gets, non the less he is probably town this game. Go away. This is just a nasty lie. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
a) had a warning for giving up b) called someone a fucking dick | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On May 26 2012 08:04 marvellosity wrote: I presume Tunkey gets mod-killed now he has a) had a warning for giving up b) called someone a fucking dick Calling for modkills are perfectly fine is it? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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