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On May 23 2012 06:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
VCA is Vote-Count Analysis.
Bugs was saying that he was judging who is scum based on the movement of the wagons, and pretty much no other reason. That's a cop-out, especially considering how little information that REALLY yields at this point because we have no flips to work with.
Which is why I said I'd very much like it if mold man flips.
You seem to be selectively tunneled against me, almost as if whatever I do, you'll appear on the opposite side of it. Pretty sure if I was on nova you'd rather want to kill mold man. After all it seemed as if when my vote was still on nova you switched briefly to try to kill mouldy (and vice versa)
I also like how you called out navillus's vote on mouldy but not tunkeg's on nova. Any reason you're blind to anything scummy unless it's on my side of the wagon?
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Also while I still think NT is probably town, rereading him and looking at recent posts one unsettling trend is his constantly talking about his own meta and how he's matching it, I haven't seen many town who pay so much attention to their own meta, usually as town one would just think I'm playing town, it's gonna match my town meta. Scum have to pay more attention because their behavior is going to change and they have to make an effort to keep it as much the same as they can. Frankly once it's clear that he's paying so much attention to his meta, meta arguments that would point to him being town are pretty much useless since he's obviously making a real effort to keep with his town meta.
This is probably the strongest argument I've seen so far for Nova being scum.
This is a tough lynch. I'm just going to hope for the best and then evaluate after the flip, I guess that's the best we can do for now.
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Alright I'm gonna take a nap. As mold man flipped town we can still try to piece together what happened based on the votes and reasoning.
I'll post my thoughts before lynch in case I'm shot. If you have questions feel free to ask and I'll answer them together in that post. (so 23ish hours from now)
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If I had a gun, I'd shoot zealos or Tunkeg.
Probably flip a coin really, they're both obviously faking trying to look town.
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Having reread everything there isn't much to say...if I live, then we go from there. If I die, then I'll be glad not to have to read/decipher some of the posts from this game.
Zealos and Tunkeg are still good bets to flip scum IMO. Mattchew and Nova are annoying, which could mean anything. VE is sheeping more than normal, which is somewhat scummy. Katina's hard to read but if she's even somewhat transparent and correct about some of her reads then probably isn't scum.
I can't even remember half the names of the rest of you, since you're so unimpressionable. Great if you're scum and obviously terrible if you're town.
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my reasoning is clearly laid out and has nothing to do with him...and Nova is...still scum.
..and Nova is...still scum.
insert "I don't always have reason to call people scum
But when I say I do,
I don't".jpg
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They're...the...same...thing
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You bore me.
Acid who would you kill today?
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Acid you have nothing to say about either Zealos or Tunkeg?
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Let's do this bugs. Not later. Now. If we both live until tomorrow this is happening anyway, so let's just get it over with. I think you're scum. It's your turn to think I'm scum and vote for me.
So it's clear that you WANT me to retaliate and call you scum?
Well, I could, but then what would happen? The thread would explode, discussion would be quelled, and even if you flip scum there still wouldn't be much forward progress.
Most of that post is just stretching to the extreme. I find it hard to believe that a townie would do such a thing, but you have done equally, if not more perplexing things before as town. For example, listing Ace and myself as your top 2 scumreads in liar game simply because you didn't like our playstyles. Or saving sandro just cause you felt like a rebel.
So, if you are indeed scum, I'd rather just kill all your buddies first, and then leave you for last. Why? Since, if you are indeed scum, you'll be a bit more afraid to shoot me. Why else would you be concerned about balance? I've never heard you use a balance argument before as town and I would never have expected you to start now.
I'm going to wait on Acid to respond to my posts. As long as you're trying to kill me though, I'm going to ignore you from now on, though. Sadly I don't have a gun or I'd have talked with that instead of words.
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You say I'm ignoring you because you're either wholly self centered or scum. I address only what's necessary to address and nothing more, because information about reads in the hands of scum causes them to act differently.
Think about ET being shot, and reread some of the only posts made on him. Tunkeg made an ET accusation that was completely ignored. ET was relatively vocal, and from what I recall several people called him town.
Each time you've accused me of ignoring you both in this game and others there's two explanations: I'm afk when you are here or I've already addressed you and you simply don't find it satisfactory. My problem? Not really.
Anyway, if you want to work together then you might as well stop calling me scum, since I'm not.
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Be prepared for VE to call you scum again, whether true or not :p
Since my original post got buried:
Acid, thoughts on Zealos and Tunkeg please, since you ignored talking about them earlier. Perhaps thoughts on froggy and VE as well.
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I'm not addressing that specific question because I want acid to answer before I put forth my opinion.
If that wasn't painfully obvious maybe it is now that I've had to say it because the implication didn't get through your thickheadedness before.
@Navillus: truthfully I wasn't ever okay with a VE switch, I was unsure of him as I am now and wanted opinions. Sadly no one really came forth with any counter push or even thoughts so the only thoughts I have on VE are my own.
I have my own thoughts on most of the players but from experience it makes no sense to publicly share them until I feel like I have the information I want.
Katina, care to weigh in on who you want to lynch?
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Is he gone?
<peeks around a corner>
Anyway if Acid never responds, we kill him.
To make that threat more real, let's turn up the heat.
##vote Acid~
Nova, do you support a lynch of any of Acid, zealos, or Tunkeg?
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I seem to be getting that age-old feeling that no one in town is playing to win.
What is it, bored of rolling VT? Don't know how to play? Too scared to be wrong? Afk? Other games? D3?
Most of those reasons can be countered by "don't sign up if you can't play" and that's pretty annoying to do. The usual last resort in this case is to kill scummy lurkers. Though, it's pretty hard to just kill lurkers when they have a higher chance of flipping town than scum.
If no one has realized yet that the voting system and town to scum ratio combined tremendously favors scum, and in a way that forces town to be active, then the game's probably over. We won't be able to kill the scum fast enough because we lose voting influence rapidly. So, it's now or never.
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I already explained why my vote is on Acid.
If the threat isn't real then what's the point of trying to consolidate town? If a player is not willing to even answer a simple question then the easiest way to deal with them is to kill them.
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Okay, cool. I actually happen to agree that Zealos is scummier than Tunkeg.
I'm curious to see whether VE will touch the lynch now, though.
##unvote Acid~
##vote Zealos
Had you answered oppositely I'd probably have tried to kill you with Zealos. If Zealos is scum then hopefully we can flush out his teammates soon.
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On May 24 2012 18:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 18:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
I already explained why my vote is on Acid.
If the threat isn't real then what's the point of trying to consolidate town? If a player is not willing to even answer a simple question then the easiest way to deal with them is to kill them.
That is not 'he is my strongest scumread'. If we're in Day 2 and your strongest read on someone is based on not answering a question, we are in trouble.
Had he chosen to continue ignoring a common subject when brought to his attention so blatantly (and choosing instead to defend himself) he clearly would've been my strongest scumread.
As of now he's off the hook but I can't say any of you look particularly good.
It still bothers me, for example, how little effort Katina is putting in when I know she has strong reads as town. So far she has not weighed in at all but in the past she has done this as town too.
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But dead in Liar now, so that excuse shouldn't exist.
Anyway there are two lynches I'll accept today; one of them is Zealos and the other one I won't name for now.
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Do any of you ever stop to think why Zealos may be impervious to a wagon?
Stop to think of why he may not be getting as many votes as we want him to.
Stop and reread his posts.
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