TL Mafia LV

sTofu hasn't been particularly active, but he seems to have been relatively open. This post + Show Spoiler + in particular pushed my read way green. I forget who originally asked for reads on a list of players, but sTofu provided his thoughts, however short, on those players and then included others. The extra effort makes it seem less like he's coasting along and just responding when his name came up to give reads on certain players. Moreover, his response to supersoft with + Show Spoiler +came off townie to me. Doesn't leap all over super, doesn't push the newbie card hard, just gives a very open and honest response.

After marv's question to VE-voters about why they found him scummy apart from sheeping MZ's case, I wanted to find him scummy. I went to his filter specifically looking to find scumminess. Came up empty. He was on zealos, had some doubts about gambit early on when zealos and other candidates had already been pushed. For the most part, his logic has lined up with mine and so despite looking for anything scummy, he comes off squeaky clean in my mind.

Manason
Manason has mentioned Kita, Zealos, VE, Wiggles...and that's basically it. Just chimes in on those topics, promises early on to be more active and then tells us he's lazy and doesn't want to dig through filters to make a case, and wants to sheep vets instead. He's basically coasted along without doing anything, and while he mentions Kita and Zealos every 2 posts or so, and ALWAYS mentions that he finds them scummy, he doesn't really get into why he finds them scummy. Same refrain over and over on some easy targets without ever giving his own reasoning.

Ange777
Ange777 hasn't posted much, but his filter looks awful to me. Start with Zealos, and his initial mention - + Show Spoiler +"VT claim doesn't make him seem scummy, but saying you're townie IS scummy." After that post, he just soft defends Zealos and pushes G32 instead -- + Show Spoiler + -- Again, he doesn't really deal with Zealos on the merits. He talks about info, says Zealos and G32 equally scummy, NEVER gives any legitimate read on Zealos, but is always pushing G32 instead (without acknowledging why he finds G32 scummier. I don't like the Zealos/G32 bits at all.

Beyond Zealos, what does ange777 talk about? Not much. But where he chimes in, IF you already view him scummy, he looks worse. He fishes for a little info on what a mason recruiter might be, not inherently scummy on its own. He looks hard at the vote counts, again, not inherently scummy, but if your scumteam is trying to make sure you've got the votes, you're going to be really concerned with the numbers right up until deadline.

papapanda
papapanda has similar intereactions with zealos, but using hyaach is an alternative. Again, doesn't seem to focus on why zealos is/isn't scummy, but just wondering why you wouldn't go with hyaach isntead. What also stuck out to me was - + Show Spoiler +. Again, not much on its own, but if you find him scummy, he brings up the possibility of a G32 ninja vote before G32 does so, which can hint at that being the scum plan for G32 to vote without having to be here and respond to questions.

supersoft
I gave supersoft a pass on his N1 play, and I'm typing this out last so I'm going to rush through which sucks because rereading his filter made him look much scummier. If you throw out the explanation for his N1 conduct and just judge him on everything else, I don't like it. I will grab quotes later, don't figure I'll be a NK, and can fill this in. If you open his filter, you can read along though. He starts out barely pushing zealos. Never makes an actual case, really says anything, but starts to take credit for the idea that zealos is scummy. Provides some reasoning/case only after town has turned clearly anti-zealos. After N1, wants to know who took bullets and wants any vigs who shot to claim (Again, not inherently scummy unless you see him as such). I also really dislike his alternate plan for leaving VE alive overnight. If you reread it, and the discussion that follows, we start to poke some holes in it. It requires the watcher to claim, it doesn't get us anything in a lot of situations, etc. I didn't catch him fully responding to the concerns, which I really disliked and is what made me reread him without taking N1 into account.

Speculation about whether Greymist stacked scum with vets, who would qualify as vet/some middle tier/new, and the like didn't quite do it for me. It wasn't a topic of discussion for long, but my thoughts were in line with Hyaach's. I'd rather stick with in-game actions than speculate about how Greymist organized his games. You guys have a legitimate argument that you want vets scum-side, but deliberately stacking things as such would become predictable and then every game would feature a D1 listing vets and how many vets are probably scum, etc. It's kind of in the same vein as trying to read modkills/replacements for scum, where not modkilling someone might mean they're scum and host doesn't want to wreck the game. If you made full-on policies about these things, those discussions would ruin any value in stacking the scum team or doctoring modkills/replacements. /minirantoff

[Promised pro-town action that never occurs on the third one]

Okay so...just check his filter. Here's a sample of just the last page of it, but the last 2 pages are pretty "Wiggles is scum"-centric

again, just the last page

The way that marv was asking for info during the VE mislynch felt so scummy for me that I crumbed this so I could point back to it later if VE flipped town and I wanted to push marv. Then he felt townie for the couple days after so I dropped it