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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
May 31 2012 23:46 GMT
#2010
LOL MODKILLS.

Sorry VE =/

Conveniently enough got a "double lynch" of VE/Zealos, which was what I wanted, tbh. This is ok.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
May 31 2012 23:56 GMT
#2013
how the balls is mattchew scum?

what do people think of jaj?
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 00:01 GMT
#2020
I would say yall are idiots, BH tried to avert no lynch, but it's true BH. You said "I think VE is scum- Vote". Why did you just want to change it last minute? You didn't even say "Dude VE isn't scum, lets kill G32". It was just "let's kill G32 even though it will be impossible". ??
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 00:04 GMT
#2027
On June 01 2012 08:07 kitaman27 wrote:
Dang it VE, you distracted me from pushing my true target, Zealos!

what kind of weird ass post is this? ?????????????????????????????

I thought you were town !
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 00:06 GMT
#2029
[QUOTE]On June 01 2012 09:04 Blazinghand wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 01 2012 09:02 Mattchew wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 01 2012 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Look at me? Lol you should be thanking me for trying to avert a mislynch. G32 should be #1 scum on everyone's list.[/QUOTE]
Trying to avert a mislynch would have been you in the thread for hours before the lynch talking to people about not mislynching VE. Instead you just tried to last minute unvote[/QUOTEe

I didnt know VE is town but when it was 100% clear g32 was scum i fwlt the nees to vote him.[/QUOTE]
ok, I don't think your actions are directly scummy, but do you understand why it looks a little strange?

1. Votes VE, says that he thinks VE is scum
2. Leaves thread for a while
3. Switches vote to G32, threatening a no-lynch, despite not saying that you think VE is town.
4. Does not make sense, because if you still think VE is scum, then a no-lynch is worse than a VE lynch.

There's a disconnect somewhere; your only reasoning is "you're sure g32 is scum"?
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 00:08 GMT
#2031
Edit:

On June 01 2012 09:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2012 09:02 Mattchew wrote:
On June 01 2012 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Look at me? Lol you should be thanking me for trying to avert a mislynch. G32 should be #1 scum on everyone's list.

Trying to avert a mislynch would have been you in the thread for hours before the lynch talking to people about not mislynching VE. Instead you just tried to last minute unvote


I didnt know VE is town but when it was 100% clear g32 was scum i fwlt the nees to vote him.

ok, I don't think your actions are directly scummy, but do you understand why it looks a little strange?

1. Votes VE, says that he thinks VE is scum
2. Leaves thread for a while
3. Switches vote to G32, threatening a no-lynch, despite not saying that you think VE is town.
4. Does not make sense, because if you still think VE is scum, then a no-lynch is worse than a VE lynch.

There's a disconnect somewhere; your only reasoning is "you're sure g32 is scum"?
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 00:09 GMT
#2032
WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK OF JAJ?

papapanda is probably scum
g32 is scum
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 00:14 GMT
#2037
On June 01 2012 09:09 Blazinghand wrote:
Dude i didnt thinl VE was town stop putting words on my mouth. But G32 CLAIMED scum tp the tgread. I havent been posting much because im at work and doing thiw cia phone

Ok, maybe its cuz ur on your phone, but I KNOW you didn't say you thought VE is town. That's the whole point of our little disagreement. It doesn't make any sense for you to unvote VE UNLESS you think is town. But w.e, it's nbd I suppose. If you were scum, you wouldn't randomly unvote VE; there's no point to. You'd want the vig dead.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 00:17 GMT
#2040
It's not unprecendented I admit, but why would he vote switch away from a vig? A vig who happens to be VE? It ties up a RB slot for the scum team, and despite all the flack we give him, it's still VE. He's gone through a rough spot lately, but I've still seen games where he wrecks scum. A scum team wants VE dead, whether through mislynch or night shot.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 00:18 GMT
#2042
I'm not calling BH confirmed town; I'm saying that this unvote shenanigans isn't a scumtell.

Now tell me what you think of Jaj22.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 00:27 GMT
#2047
Why SnB again? Can you repost your case?
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 00:31 GMT
#2049
Stuff I see from jaj
On May 29 2012 02:56 jaj22 wrote:
Thoughts on the night's cases:
Sinensis: So he's sticking with a totally irrational and anti-town position and ignoring everything that's actually happening in the game? Because he wants to lose two games in a row?

If he's scum he was daft not to change tactics once Grush started posting better (like BH did). If he's town, it's now insultingly bad play, which makes his complaint about Grush utterly hypocritical. Scum read, because the alternative is uglier.

one of the early proponents of the mislynch; note how his reasoning is "Sinensis is playing bad", not "playing scum". Calling his play both daft as scum, and insultingly bad as town. Where is the scum?
On May 29 2012 04:58 jaj22 wrote:
ET: Zealos looks less scummy to me than usual. His scum play in MTG and that newbie game was screamingly obvious.

He goes into the general category of players with a handful of uncontroversial posts. I'd be surprised if there weren't scum in there.

Soft defend of Zealos, tries to misdirect.

On May 29 2012 08:37 jaj22 wrote:
Hmm. I thought Zealos's play was significantly different from his scum play, but his early MTG filter is quite similar. He even does that little coaching thing where he tells the guy to post more.

Might not be a bad lynch.

When sentiment turns, he turns too.

On May 30 2012 10:07 jaj22 wrote:
I called out GambitX32 for only having one post during day 1. He proceeded to produce... one more post.

##vote GambitX32

Either that or Zealos, but he's got some activity excuse until the second half of day 2 so there's not much point in prodding him.

I'd love to find active scum but I'm not even convinced that there are any.

Still soft defending Zealos. He switches to him later, but remember there is already massive consensus that he is scum.
On June 01 2012 06:39 jaj22 wrote:
Tactically speaking, people who don't want to lynch VE should be putting their votes on Zealos unless they'd rather have a no-lynch. The case against Kitaman is weak and he's another veteran-lynch: People are likely to think in terms of the best veteran-lynch vs the best lurker-lynch.

And yeah, I'm having doubts myself about VE. A lot of his filter looks quite town, even if it's spammy unfocused town. And we'll have to start killing lurkers sometime. If we can't confirm VE one way or another on day 3 it's going to be horrible though.


Posturing for the VE flip. Note that his vote is still on VE despite starting to think he is town. And he has the nerve to say Mattchew is looking bad for not putting his vote on someone he thinks is town?


Essentially we should be focusing on people who

1. Were down with Sinensis lynch with poor reasoning
2. Were down with VE lynch with poor reasoning
3. Had a disconnect with VE (I think he's town but... let's kill him!)
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 00:38 GMT
#2050
On June 01 2012 09:24 Mattchew wrote:
SnB, Gambit, kita, papa should all be killed immediately

I'd FOS wiggles, manason, ange hyaach

I think Ange and hyaach are fine. I'm looking at:

Kill:
G32 - ninja vote, derp posting
papa - that weird vote on VE
kita - dgafs about game, lol's at VE dying???
Maju - wishy washy posts, bashes Sinensis at one point, extremely low content to post ratio

FoS: jaj22, Wiggles, Manason, Kenpachi

There are some outliers but those are my focus atm.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 00:58 GMT
#2055
when did mattchew lie to town? Lurking =/= scum, like i've said a kajillion times Mattchew can easily play active scum.

I think you guys are 2 townies mudflinging, tbh.

Supersoft maybe, unsure atm.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 03:33 GMT
#2085
On June 01 2012 10:28 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2012 09:38 EchelonTee wrote:
On June 01 2012 09:24 Mattchew wrote:
SnB, Gambit, kita, papa should all be killed immediately

I'd FOS wiggles, manason, ange hyaach

I think Ange and hyaach are fine. I'm looking at:

Kill:
G32 - ninja vote, derp posting
papa - that weird vote on VE
kita - dgafs about game, lol's at VE dying???
Maju - wishy washy posts, bashes Sinensis at one point, extremely low content to post ratio

FoS: jaj22, Wiggles, Manason, Kenpachi

There are some outliers but those are my focus atm.


ET, you can do better. What is your opinion of Kita and on supersoft, Meapak as well. Be clear and thorough. "Lol's at VE dying" is not enough.

Middle of the night broseph. While I love the way you're taking control of thread, subtlety is still important, and I've already done too much with my noobie list posting.

mz is town unless him and toad did some intense as fck wifom.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 03:38 GMT
#2086
Does anyone know ss's scum meta? If ur letting him off for that zealos thing, it should be noted. Ex: palmar would never do that early bus, whereas I would almost expect scum gonzaw to do it.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 07:36 GMT
#2098
Ange's alternate lynch is g32. If g32 is scum too, your point is moot lol. If g32.is town, then you have case, otherwise ange's posts have sounded just fine.

Yeah manason looks bad. I agree lol.

I'm out atm. Let's not get complacent tho... Too often there ends up being a consensus lynch list, then when it turns out a few scum have been pulling the strings, all hell breaks loose. It's how I win all my scum games lol.... Get the town to post a bunch of lists that might include my mates, but allows town to stagnate for.4 days or so.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 07:40 GMT
#2099
Lmao probe....he said both are at same scummy.level... How the fuck is that.a soft.defend?

When town can collaborate like this, as in we recognize each other as townie, we need to have some give and take.
Like with my jaj read; I'll listen to marv; I'm at this.point thinking there's no case on ange like, at all, so.I hope we can come to a consensus, or you change mind or w.e.

A little out it.just saying.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 23:00 GMT
#2156
Like I said; if G32 flips scum then the reasoning behind the ange case isn't very solid. Rushed words so its in before deadline.

Kita:
On June 01 2012 08:07 kitaman27 wrote:
Dang it VE, you distracted me from pushing my true target, Zealos!
On June 02 2012 02:17 kitaman27 wrote:
Is this the first game of mafia you've ever played Manason? If so, how did you find out about this game?

These posts since the Night post are so weirdly apathetic that it cant escape notice. Does kita not give a fck that VE flipped vig? It doesn't even sound like he's interested in finding out if Manason is scum. The tone reeks of apathy.

His first and only major push was on VE. Blah blah yeah other people also pushed VE, but I think Kita is a good enough town player that I can use the rule of Palmar; if the first and only major case pushed is a massively wrong mislynch, then something is up. Kita hasn't really pushed anyone else, and especially has hardly pushed anyone since his flip. Where's his direction now?

On May 30 2012 14:55 kitaman27 wrote:
Not much substance to this post, but here are my thoughts for alternative candidates.

Hassybaby has not shared his opinion on a single player this game. I'd like to request a large post from him within the next 24 hours or he should be strongly considered as a vig target tommorrow night. Zealos has disappeared. As a lynch candidate, he needs to be extremely active today if he hopes to stay out of trouble. marvellosity's filter is far too safe for my liking.

GambitX32's two posts look as if he knew he would be expected to share his opinion, but had nothing to say, so he just made a few generic statements about a bunch of players. I don't see anything of value that his post adds to the thread.

I'm unwilling to trust Wiggles, but I'm unable to put together anything close to a valid case against him. With myself and Meapak being town, it doesn't bode well for him for him from a balance perspective, although VE could also serve as the scum leader.

S&B and Manason are still sketchy. I want a more developed case from each of them that adds something to the thread.

If we consider that Wiggles could be scum, in this post (one of the few constructive ones he has), notice how he gives more deference to Wiggles than the other players. He says the other guys are suspicious, sketch, w.e, but with Wiggles he is unwilling to put together a case.


On June 01 2012 01:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey, I'm going to be out of town today, so I'm giving a heads up that I might not be back before the lynch.

I'm going to be switching my vote to VE. I thought he was town after his day 1 play, but the constant flip-flopping to try to look good and the nonsensical role-claim and breadcrumb have changed my mind. Basically, it looked like he kept changing his read due to pressure in the thread, and it ended up with him contradicting himself multiple times as he tried to wiggle out of the pressure. Then add on the claim that's very convenient and easy to fake as scum (along with a "breadcrumb" that shows nothing), and you have the reasons for my switch of opinion. I guess I was wrong about VE being town, as his play today has shown. =/

##Unvote: Gambit
##Vote: VisceraEyes

A decent reason to switch, but since he had a town town read on VE, it's a bit strange that he switched.

has been lurking not scumhunting as much as he should as mayor blah blah blah


papa still scum for weird ass explanations

maju likely scum for doing absoltutely nothing and not sounding like hes interested in doing anything

deadline


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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
June 01 2012 23:02 GMT
#2157
im not compltely sold on mattchew.

wbg/mz/toad/BH is fine.

there might be sneaky scum elswhere.. .don't get complacent guys ><

aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
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