EPTOn June 01 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote:
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the point is, VE claimed blue without a reason. His claim does us nothing. Mafia or SK can easily fake being a vig and he should know that himself.
If he had actually claimed something like a VT I would have maybe considered lynching Zealos instead but Vig is just way to convenient to be true.
Why do you want to lynch into lurkers or scummy newbs? I'd say the case on VE is equally strong as the case on Zealos or better. On top of that VE is a player we all know, so noone can hide behind a "well duh, guess he was some unreadable newbie who did bullshit" excuse.
If someone like hyaach flips town, what's your plan for the next night or day?
We have a shitton of lurkers and I am certain everyone, or at least the majority of people who are mafia but aren't considered vet is trying to hide between those lurkers. How are you supposed to decide wether it's cwace, hyaach, grush, manason or gambit? Are those the only lurkers?
What's with phagga (is he still in the game or replaced?), Hassybaby (he usually posts WAY MORE), sToFu (same as phagge, is he still in the game?) and Kenpachi ?
Are all 9 of them mafia? If not how in the world are we supposed to differentiate between them when frankly, a case and scummy behavior is probably a town sign for those people as they're at least trying while the rest is trying it's best to shut up and not post a thing.
We lost a complete cycle d1 due to wiggles lynch giving us 0 information. Luckily Mafia screwed up as well bringing us in the same situation we had before the game started. We're not in a good position. We basicly had a NL d1 and no kills (thanks to awesome protection) N1 making it effectively d1 although it might look like town is in a good position because we had no kills n1.
There are different "camps" in this game and we desperately need to know which camp is just plain wrong, which camp is right and who's mafia. We don't get that by "policy-lynching" into lurkers hoping to hit mafia. Yeah we could hit mafia but I'm not going to lynch based on that. And no I'm not saying we're lynching VE for information. VE is the best guy for lynch right now AND he's giving a shitton of information on flip no matter what. That's a Jackpot for us.
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On June 01 2012 00:28 Mattchew wrote:
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We have the best possible night for town, and we want to lynch a claimed blue, vet? We should take this time to lynch lurkers and scummy newbs, because we have been afforded the opportunity to by our protection roles. Think about who you want to make your reads on later in the game, someone you've played with and is active, or someone that posts once a cycle and you hve never played with and is like flipping a coin. Lynching VE is straight up stupid and if he flips town, it is taking away a scum night kill and a town KP. Do you really think scum are going to shoot players like
cwave,
hyaach,
grush,
manason,
gambit?
These are the players we should be lynching (or SnB cause he claimed scum and I mean just look at his vote on VE that leaves a disclaimer about VE flipping town, 90% reasoning being meta while a quick 1 line about VE's vote switching) because when we get to the late game, these are the players that lose town games
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We have the best possible night for town, and we want to lynch a claimed blue, vet? We should take this time to lynch lurkers and scummy newbs, because we have been afforded the opportunity to by our protection roles. Think about who you want to make your reads on later in the game, someone you've played with and is active, or someone that posts once a cycle and you hve never played with and is like flipping a coin. Lynching VE is straight up stupid and if he flips town, it is taking away a scum night kill and a town KP. Do you really think scum are going to shoot players like
cwave,
hyaach,
grush,
manason,
gambit?
These are the players we should be lynching (or SnB cause he claimed scum and I mean just look at his vote on VE that leaves a disclaimer about VE flipping town, 90% reasoning being meta while a quick 1 line about VE's vote switching) because when we get to the late game, these are the players that lose town games
the point is, VE claimed blue without a reason. His claim does us nothing. Mafia or SK can easily fake being a vig and he should know that himself.
If he had actually claimed something like a VT I would have maybe considered lynching Zealos instead but Vig is just way to convenient to be true.
Why do you want to lynch into lurkers or scummy newbs? I'd say the case on VE is equally strong as the case on Zealos or better. On top of that VE is a player we all know, so noone can hide behind a "well duh, guess he was some unreadable newbie who did bullshit" excuse.
If someone like hyaach flips town, what's your plan for the next night or day?
We have a shitton of lurkers and I am certain everyone, or at least the majority of people who are mafia but aren't considered vet is trying to hide between those lurkers. How are you supposed to decide wether it's cwace, hyaach, grush, manason or gambit? Are those the only lurkers?
What's with phagga (is he still in the game or replaced?), Hassybaby (he usually posts WAY MORE), sToFu (same as phagge, is he still in the game?) and Kenpachi ?
Are all 9 of them mafia? If not how in the world are we supposed to differentiate between them when frankly, a case and scummy behavior is probably a town sign for those people as they're at least trying while the rest is trying it's best to shut up and not post a thing.
We lost a complete cycle d1 due to wiggles lynch giving us 0 information. Luckily Mafia screwed up as well bringing us in the same situation we had before the game started. We're not in a good position. We basicly had a NL d1 and no kills (thanks to awesome protection) N1 making it effectively d1 although it might look like town is in a good position because we had no kills n1.
There are different "camps" in this game and we desperately need to know which camp is just plain wrong, which camp is right and who's mafia. We don't get that by "policy-lynching" into lurkers hoping to hit mafia. Yeah we could hit mafia but I'm not going to lynch based on that. And no I'm not saying we're lynching VE for information. VE is the best guy for lynch right now AND he's giving a shitton of information on flip no matter what. That's a Jackpot for us.
Because
a. I don't think VE is scum. His response to me getting shot screamed that he believed I was shot by mafia. Being that I wasn't, I don't think this can be faked as easily as I know you guys are going to say it can.
b. I don't want to play into the late game with the list of players that I mentioned. They don't post which makes them not hard, but impossible to read. Weeding out the herd while inevitably lynching scum is a good tactic.
c. You want VE to lie about his role? If he claims VT and flips vig, everyone would be like VE WTF MAN Y U NO CLAIM BLUE I WOULD HAVE NEVER LYNCHED YOU HAD YOU CLAIMED THAT
d. If he flip hyaach or anyone and they flip town, we wait till the night kills and then we re-evaluate.
e. i asked about phagga and ange on the top of this page. sToFu posts a lot, hassybaby is also MIA but he isn't newb and Kenpachi has a bunch of posts as well. My list is of newbie lurkers.
f. IDK who's mafia and who's not in there, we are not able to differentiate, thats why we kill them all early, instead of them being an easy late game LYLO mislynch.
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