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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 16:21 GMT
#1726
On June 01 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 01 2012 00:28 Mattchew wrote:
Reposting

We have the best possible night for town, and we want to lynch a claimed blue, vet? We should take this time to lynch lurkers and scummy newbs, because we have been afforded the opportunity to by our protection roles. Think about who you want to make your reads on later in the game, someone you've played with and is active, or someone that posts once a cycle and you hve never played with and is like flipping a coin. Lynching VE is straight up stupid and if he flips town, it is taking away a scum night kill and a town KP. Do you really think scum are going to shoot players like
cwave,
hyaach,
grush,
manason,
gambit?


These are the players we should be lynching (or SnB cause he claimed scum and I mean just look at his vote on VE that leaves a disclaimer about VE flipping town, 90% reasoning being meta while a quick 1 line about VE's vote switching) because when we get to the late game, these are the players that lose town games


the point is, VE claimed blue without a reason. His claim does us nothing. Mafia or SK can easily fake being a vig and he should know that himself.
If he had actually claimed something like a VT I would have maybe considered lynching Zealos instead but Vig is just way to convenient to be true.

Why do you want to lynch into lurkers or scummy newbs? I'd say the case on VE is equally strong as the case on Zealos or better. On top of that VE is a player we all know, so noone can hide behind a "well duh, guess he was some unreadable newbie who did bullshit" excuse.
If someone like hyaach flips town, what's your plan for the next night or day?
We have a shitton of lurkers and I am certain everyone, or at least the majority of people who are mafia but aren't considered vet is trying to hide between those lurkers. How are you supposed to decide wether it's cwace, hyaach, grush, manason or gambit? Are those the only lurkers?
What's with phagga (is he still in the game or replaced?), Hassybaby (he usually posts WAY MORE), sToFu (same as phagge, is he still in the game?) and Kenpachi ?
Are all 9 of them mafia? If not how in the world are we supposed to differentiate between them when frankly, a case and scummy behavior is probably a town sign for those people as they're at least trying while the rest is trying it's best to shut up and not post a thing.

We lost a complete cycle d1 due to wiggles lynch giving us 0 information. Luckily Mafia screwed up as well bringing us in the same situation we had before the game started. We're not in a good position. We basicly had a NL d1 and no kills (thanks to awesome protection) N1 making it effectively d1 although it might look like town is in a good position because we had no kills n1.

There are different "camps" in this game and we desperately need to know which camp is just plain wrong, which camp is right and who's mafia. We don't get that by "policy-lynching" into lurkers hoping to hit mafia. Yeah we could hit mafia but I'm not going to lynch based on that. And no I'm not saying we're lynching VE for information. VE is the best guy for lynch right now AND he's giving a shitton of information on flip no matter what. That's a Jackpot for us.


Because

a. I don't think VE is scum. His response to me getting shot screamed that he believed I was shot by mafia. Being that I wasn't, I don't think this can be faked as easily as I know you guys are going to say it can.

b. I don't want to play into the late game with the list of players that I mentioned. They don't post which makes them not hard, but impossible to read. Weeding out the herd while inevitably lynching scum is a good tactic.

c. You want VE to lie about his role? If he claims VT and flips vig, everyone would be like VE WTF MAN Y U NO CLAIM BLUE I WOULD HAVE NEVER LYNCHED YOU HAD YOU CLAIMED THAT

d. If he flip hyaach or anyone and they flip town, we wait till the night kills and then we re-evaluate.

e. i asked about phagga and ange on the top of this page. sToFu posts a lot, hassybaby is also MIA but he isn't newb and Kenpachi has a bunch of posts as well. My list is of newbie lurkers.

f. IDK who's mafia and who's not in there, we are not able to differentiate, thats why we kill them all early, instead of them being an easy late game LYLO mislynch.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 16:37 GMT
#1737
On June 01 2012 01:26 Toadesstern wrote:
Mattchew it's easy as this:

You lynch into people who think are scummy to get peoples opinion on them and to get mafia.
You shoot into people that are hard to read because they're not posting because lynching them gives 0 information.

Let our vigs do the job of cleaning that mess up. If we shoot someone like VE and he flips that's less information than we'd get from a lynch either way.
Lynching or shooting into a lurker however makes no difference, except for the fact that we're wasting our lynch.

Why is thinning the herd (and potentially hitting scum) providing nothing to town... It makes it easier to focus in on people that are actually readable

And why do you assume we have all this kp? And then want to lynch one of the claimed vigs
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 16:46 GMT
#1742
So you'd rather waste lynches on them later when the lynches matter way more

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 17:05 GMT
#1753
I think we should also lynch everyone that says we are posting too much and then lurk themselves sorry hassy
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 17:11 GMT
#1757
In area liii and magic the gathering ve did the same claim thing as town
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 18:12 GMT
#1768
I agree we shouldn't lynch ve but why would scum not roleblock him... Ps this seems strange
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 18:31 GMT
#1774
On June 01 2012 03:21 Hassybaby wrote:
MH are you seriously not even considering the aspect of you being wrong?

He also fails to consider VE being town during his analysis. It is completely clouded and one-sided. I think his case (while long as fuck) is terrible. It fails to take into account that VE could be town and the player VE is.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 18:32 GMT
#1775
On June 01 2012 03:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
VE you know you can't respond to my case. Every post you've made has against it has been about how "wrong" I am but you can't show why I'm wrong. Also I like how you're now accusing me of being scum. That's just the icing on the cake.

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 18:34 GMT
#1777
This is nothing like liar game, in any way shape or form
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 18:39 GMT
#1779
On June 01 2012 03:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
lol mattchew there is a difference between lynching scum and tunneling someone. Have a looksy in my filter, that might help you out to learn what working to get scum lynched looks like.

i just said why your case is bad. k thx
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 19:41 GMT
#1806
Mz can you explain ve's reaction to my claim from a scum perspective?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 19:57 GMT
#1813
Ve can you re-tell me your thoughts on snb and my trap
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 20:12 GMT
#1817
I don't think you are giving scum enough credit or reading closely enough into snb's response even after calling me out
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 20:15 GMT
#1819
Add grush to my kill anyone that complains about quantity of posts while lurking themselves policy... Also grush I fail to see how discussing today's lynch is spam
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 20:20 GMT
#1823
Or snb or grush ve
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 20:23 GMT
#1826
He's been defending himself and passing on his reads for after he dies and that's spammy? I don't think anyone needs to post less I want as much info from everyone so my reads can be as thorough as possible
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 20:26 GMT
#1829
WHAT
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 21:16 GMT
#1863
On June 01 2012 06:12 papapanda wrote:
Grush, if you starsense is telling you VE is not scum, don't vote for him...vote for who you believe to be scum; I would recommend wriggles(long as its not me)
Gambit didn't respond yet, if he ninjas today he is dead tomorrow.

The only reliable way I can think of to confirm VE is 1)tell him who to shoot 2)someone protect the target 3) target tells us whats up.
Before you post comments on why this is a stupid plan, I want to say that I agree it's a stupid plan and this is not going to happen tonight because so many things can go wrong.

#Vote:VE

You want him to vote wiggles, but you vote VE?

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 21:46 GMT
#1881
On June 01 2012 06:44 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2012 06:43 papapanda wrote:
Both you and I have read MZ's cases, as well as other posts, can we agree that his points are valid?
However as I was reading it, I was, using your term, on the fence for VE's lynch.
What I didn't like was how he responded to the pressure. He claimed vig, one the the toughest role to prove at this stage of the game. Ofcourse it's possible he is vig, and what ticked for me was what he said about if he was the mafia leader, the mafia would try more to save him...(can't find the post, but I'm pretty certain that I read it today). Wifom doesn't work as defenses...(learned that the hard way last game, marvellosity;p).
Anyhow, my point is I find VE scummy and people trying to spread the vote are also worth looking at(hi kenpachi).


what do you find valid in particular? what makes YOU think he's scum?

Don't you know how hard it is to answer this question as scum
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 31 2012 22:46 GMT
#1931
On June 01 2012 07:44 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2012 07:41 Ange777 wrote:
I should stop clicking "Post" for "Preview" ....

VE was asked why he didn't for push any cases.

I believe this fits very well to the careful playstyle of not pushing for any lynches yourself.


I don't think there is anything careful about VE's playstyle.

I was wrong, it seems it seems 14 was the hammer. VE where you at? Don't go missing now.

Note:
Zealos hasn't voted.
Mattchew is still on SnB?

Because i think he's scum and its not like anyone else is being lynched. My vote doesn't matter because at this point its either on VE or not on VE
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