EPTI get that he's been front back, left right, up down with regards to Toad. What I don't get is why he'd do so as scum, why he almost voluntarily posts a target on his back by posting about it.
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marvellosity
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I get that he's been front back, left right, up down with regards to Toad. What I don't get is why he'd do so as scum, why he almost voluntarily posts a target on his back by posting about it. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 31 2012 23:22 strongandbig wrote: If VE flips town I'm going to feel like a ginormous turd since he's been defending me. However, as I said about someone else earlier, sideways defense of a townie is a common scum play. The thing is, defending a bad townie is scummy because it's also what town should be doing... But his play this game reminds me too much of the scum play from him in wheel of fortune. It seems no one checked this out in my last post, so I'll post again the link to radfield's case which nailed him that game. In addition to that, his defense of himself was kind of similar, although he took a somewhat different attitude towards Radfield's than to MZ because of their different reputations. Anyway in that game he also posted a longish case after being seriously accused, which he framed as "whether I live or die this person is scum so here's my last help to town." But the main thing is both games include him jumping around between lynch targets and not making a really serious case until after someone made a big serious case on him. ##vote: visceraeyes Just an FYI, though - I'm not 100% confident in this vote. Wbg is right that lynching VE is always risky, plus I'm not sure that VE would be so open with his buddying as scum. The thing is, he could. I think we need to keep up the pressure on gambit and zealos - especially gambit, since he still hasn't even responded to the mason question. I also want to keep it up on supersoft. Apparently other people are giving him a "free pass" for his shitty ass posting night one, but it's high time to step it up. snb - did you take the time to read and evaluate VE's case on kita? | ||
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There's the problem. VE has cherrypicked his points. In conclusion he gives a typical 'town kita' post, followed by a pointless post from kita with the associated "look difference lol!". But actually I can easily find a few of kita's posts from this game that line up with VE's typical kita town post. Part 2 of the case is mostly a rehash of earlier concerns about kita being 'obsessed' with the lyncher, which VE didn't find strong enough. So Part 1 is added with a shoddy meta attack. You scum, VE? | ||
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On June 01 2012 01:18 Zealos wrote: Whats my meta exactly Marvel. I'm pretty sure in Magic mafia you meta'd me as scum due to my aggression, now you're meta-ing me as scum for... lurking? Do you not bother to read my posts at all? I even linked the post I made in MTM in this thread. The thrust of my meta attack on you in Magic was that as town you didn't vote willy-nilly and in MTM you did. On May 31 2012 05:18 marvellosity wrote: I feel a lot more confident in a Zealos lynch. I read over like 4 of his previous games when I was looking at him in Magic and I think I have a handle on him. After I pointed it out how he started town/scum games in mafia, he's come in here trying really hard to make his first post look like 'townie' Zealos. Too hard. Then he hasn't followed it up with any substance. Only more weird and scummy posts. Town Zealos would be dishing out his reads, but he's cowering in fear hoping the topic of conversation would move on from him. Everything you ask is already answered in this post. To the green: how's that going for ya? Oh... it isn't! | ||
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On June 01 2012 01:23 Toadesstern wrote: Lynching into Zealos gives me 0 information on my assumptions up to this point and neither will it give someone else a lot of information. Toad, ss thinks a Zealos flip will give info about Wiggles, do you not agree? | ||
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On June 01 2012 01:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Can anyone tell me in their own words why I'm scummy? I'm not responding to MZ because he's maliciously misrepresenting my intentions....but I'll gladly respond to anyone else. Two things I mentioned: the weak-ass meta attack on kita, and the fact you were totally willing to shoot zealos night 1 yet getting you to vote him today is almost impossible | ||
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On June 01 2012 01:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyway, if I can be arsed I'll look for more scum that aren't Kita/MZ later. Probably not though considering how little anyone cares about reading what I write. GG town. Kill Scum. Sorry what, MZ is scum now? | ||
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On June 01 2012 02:18 Hyaach wrote: Is it majority vote by deadline or majority vote at anytime of the day? unvoted again because it was 13th vote and didnt want any ninja. By deadline | ||
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On June 01 2012 03:44 wherebugsgo wrote: Mattchew is annoying as usual. Zealos is not getting votes. Day ends in like 4 hours? I guess VE is the best choice if we have tons of nonvoters. policy lynch VE whenever he claims blue for no reason I guess lol ##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes yeah except he just did it and he was town... >.< | ||
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On June 01 2012 04:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oh I just realized that literally nobody actually bothered to read my second part closely. I posted part 1 in a spoiler but accidentally posted part 2 again... and nobody has pointed that out lolol. Please read things closer. Firstly, why would I click on a spoiler to read something I already read. Secondly, how dare you tell people to read things closer, when I asked you a question - I even put your name in bold - and you've either not read it or are ignoring it? | ||
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On June 01 2012 04:35 wherebugsgo wrote: And yes, marvellosity: it's a policy lynch because VE needs to learn to stop retardedly claiming regardless of his alignment. It makes it nearly impossible to know what he is. If he's town he claimed because he's getting lynched and he'd rather town didn't lynch a vig. Should he not claim in that situation? | ||
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I'm merrily sitting on the fence whether VE is town or scum. In the past I've voted to lynch him twice, and he was town, and in LI I didn't vote to lynch him, and he was scum. There's things I don't like about VE - the Zealos issue, and his meta case on kita, but there is waaaaaaaay too much stuff being read as a narrative. Almost anyone's filter can be made to read scummily if you want it to, but everything he says is being fit to this narrative without looking at the alternative. There's really too much "oh, might as well". Does everyone voting VE genuinely believe he's scum? Obviously this isn't aimed at kita/MZ/Toad, but the rest of you. Is he the best chance of flipping scum for today or are you being led by vocal people? | ||
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On June 01 2012 06:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Are you suspicious of Kitaman independently Marv? Not really - the reason I didn't like your meta case is that actually I can find a few instances where he's critically looking at people. Posts I could happily put against your town kita post and think they're similar. I think you've made too much of his odd Hyach start and lyncher stuff. | ||
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On June 01 2012 06:19 papapanda wrote: Not in particular, I want him to vote for someone who he thinks is scum from his list of read. And he voted kita so nevermind i guess, just saying that voting for someone who you don't think is scum doesn't make much sense. In your vote I don't see anything that shows why you believe VE is scum either. This is what I'm talking about. | ||
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On June 01 2012 06:33 austinmcc wrote: No matter who gets hit overnight, you won't ever have earned confirmed status. You can be scum carrying out the NK. Could be an SK. Even if your shot is directed at someone who flips red, it's not some awe-inspiring bus that gets you towncred. You've said it yourself that you really don't have any other option but to shoot our choice of player, so there's no towncred to be gained from hitting scum. Marv, when I look at our list of options, nobody jumps out as "scummier than VE" for me. Zealos doesn't look good, G32 doesn't look good but I won't vote for him until we see something about his Mason Recruiter mention. To the extent that other players are options, I don't feel that the cases on them are as strong as that on VE - the kita case is based heavily on meta/lyncher focus D1, and other options like wiggles/strongandbig/anyothernamethat'sbeenthrownout aren't very strong either. I'm not 100% on him, but the alternative right now is just too messy. My sentiment isn't so much "oh, might as well," as it is "dear God, if we don't lynch VE then we roll this mess through the night and into D3, and there's no shiny red alternative lynch option." Lynching for expediency is certainly inferior to lynching for scumminess, but there's a combination here and the fact that any non-VE lynch really just puts this same issue back on the table tomorrow. Alright, you tell me - what are the things that make YOU think VE is scum? | ||
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On June 01 2012 06:39 jaj22 wrote: Tactically speaking, people who don't want to lynch VE should be putting their votes on Zealos unless they'd rather have a no-lynch. The case against Kitaman is weak and he's another veteran-lynch: People are likely to think in terms of the best veteran-lynch vs the best lurker-lynch. And yeah, I'm having doubts myself about VE. A lot of his filter looks quite town, even if it's spammy unfocused town. And we'll have to start killing lurkers sometime. If we can't confirm VE one way or another on day 3 it's going to be horrible though. So you have your doubts and you're willing to lynch a claimed vig, ok | ||
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On June 01 2012 06:43 papapanda wrote: Both you and I have read MZ's cases, as well as other posts, can we agree that his points are valid? However as I was reading it, I was, using your term, on the fence for VE's lynch. What I didn't like was how he responded to the pressure. He claimed vig, one the the toughest role to prove at this stage of the game. Ofcourse it's possible he is vig, and what ticked for me was what he said about if he was the mafia leader, the mafia would try more to save him...(can't find the post, but I'm pretty certain that I read it today). Wifom doesn't work as defenses...(learned that the hard way last game, marvellosity;p). Anyhow, my point is I find VE scummy and people trying to spread the vote are also worth looking at(hi kenpachi). what do you find valid in particular? what makes YOU think he's scum? | ||
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On June 01 2012 06:46 Mattchew wrote: Don't you know how hard it is to answer this question as scum the problem is almost no-one seems to be able to answer it | ||
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