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On April 30 2012 18:45 syllogism wrote: Random voting seems awful. More like awESOME This game sounds really complicated and I wasn't joking when I said I'd need someone to explain the mechanics to me (feel free to PM me, but only if you're town). Let's all discuss plans and such, that'll be helpful. | ||
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So we just force the people we want to lynch to be on the majority side of the thing right? Actually, we should just say "everyone votes YES" unless given an exemption. That way we can just weed out obvious townies and spend the rest of the day figuring out whom to lynch. Also lynching a lot of people sounds fun. | ||
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This is not a joke, this is seriously how we're going to run this game. I will present a justification to each of my pardons when I post the list of pardoned people. Do not appeal directly for a pardon, prove your worth by posting fuckton of useful shit (as opposed to most of the useless shit that has been posted so far). | ||
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On April 30 2012 22:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I can half get behind this plan. I don't like the idea of Palmar being some arbitrary judge of towniness, but if we want to do the everyone votes for the same person, and we can discuss and exempt certain people, then I'll support it. It's close enough to my plan, with some added benefit. dude, if there's one thing I do well it's finding townies. | ||
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Remember, I will post a list of pardons (those will probably be in the range of 3-7 players), and I can and will be held accountable for those reads. Sure, you can try the lone ranger approach. But my plan is by far the best one that's been put out. It's strictly dumb not to try and put obvious townies in the minority, as it means we don't have to spend resources defending them against the lynch. It's sure as hell a lot better than going with no plan where no one is accountable. This is like the first rule of day 1 mafia play, something I consider my area of expertise, make people accountable for their actions. Not to mention, if we successfully eliminate a few obvious townies from the pool, it puts increased pressure on everyone in the game to figure out townies, instead of just allowing people to slap their votes onto some obvious townie. | ||
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And the point isn't whether or not "If Palmar is suspicious". Make up your damn mind. I have the track record to back up the notion that I should be listened to when I'm town. Not listening to me when I'm town is stupid. You either accuse me of being scum, or you listen the fuck to what I say. There are only two sensible options a) Think I'm town and roll with my plan, make everyone say yes, unless I pardon them. b) Think I'm scum. | ||
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On May 01 2012 01:38 sandroba wrote: @palmar Why not 8? Don't you agree with what I've said above? Because at 8 (vs 10) it only takes two lone-rangers/scum to not comply with the plan and suddenly all my town reads are up for lynch (as the minority becomes the majority). I think 5-6 is a good number as it allows less chance of shit going down the drain. Also, claim to me. | ||
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I'm pardoning Syllogism and Foolishness. They're allowed to say "No" to answer today's question. Syllogism for basically oozing green, and Foolishness for reaching the same conclusion as me about chaoser. I don't think I actually ever said in the thread I wanted to lynch Chaoser, but I did PM that to a few people (Syllo, VE, Radfield, Sandroba if I remember correctly, maybe prplhz, not sure). So Foolish is not just sheeping a read, he came up with that shit himself. That's pretty towny. As for my other reads, sandroba is agreeing with the plan and following me and syllo, but he'd do that irrelevant of his alignment, as he's smart enough to realize why we're doing what we're doing. His late entry, and him disagreeing with me (confirmed in pms) about chaoser being scum is weird. BC is being completely fucking useless and stubborn, but he always does that day 1, the fact he's making bad arguments as to why we shouldn't be doing what I'm suggesting is not actually a scumtell. Chaoser is scum. VE is scum, for future reference. Ace is derp dunnoh about prplhz, he's supporting the right people, should probably just pardon him Radfield I need to hear more from. I have good feelings about him atm though and his PMs seem pretty townie. I guess I should Pardon him too. Bugs has said absolutely nothing relevant. Syllo think sheth might be scum. Sheth, you can prove your loyalty to the King by roleclaiming to me. gonzaw seems towny enough Wiggles could be town Meapak could be scum I can't remember anything Cephiro said, so it's probably not relevant. Katinaa is useless as usual. Echelon is supporting the wrong people, no idea if bad or scum. I think that's all, if I forgot you it's becuase you haven't said anything of value, so fix that. | ||
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Palmar, Syllo, Foolishness, Radfield and gonzaw (over prplhz) | ||
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Why are you discussing shit you know is pointless and dumb btw? Do you think I'm scum? Why aren't you just helping us get shit done here? | ||
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On May 01 2012 05:47 wherebugsgo wrote: Also I guarantee you that those names you just listed will be in the majority tomorrow if they all voted the same. Well, hopefully enough people are not being assholes to actually follow through with the plan. Do you agree with my reads? You have yet to contribute even a single thing to the actual scumhunting conversation. | ||
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On May 01 2012 05:49 Motbob is great wrote: o you still not understand? The only way to lynch someone is to force them into the majority, if you try and artificially create a majority you automatically make it so the mafia can manipulate it. No, mafia cannot manipulate shit if people actually agree with doing it. Let's say that all 12 townies in the game decide "I'm going to follow Palmar's plan" irrelevant of my alignment, mafia cannot do jack shit without revealing themselves. I'm perfectly fine with passing the crown on tomorrow. The problem is there are going to be some dumb as fuck townies who think they're being clevur by breaking the plan, so it will be impossible to tell those lone-ranger-assholes apart from mafia by just this. I don't get what's so hard to understand | ||
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On May 01 2012 08:39 Ace wrote: The most Pro-Town players aren't the Confirmed Town players. That is a dumb idea. Stop posting, nothing you say is of value. Who cares about confirmed or not, it's about lynching the people with the highest chance of flipping scum. Since when do you care about looking for confirmed townies? | ||
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Cephiro Sandroba Viscera Eyes Mr Wiggles Meapak_Ziphh Radfield Echelon Tee Liquid`Sheth Chaoser I'll be giving my votes to prplhz and Radfield. I haven't decided where the other three go, most likely to Echelon, Wiggles and Sheth atm. That'd leave meapak, chaoser, sandroba and cephiro, all of which I'm perfectly fine with dying. I'm reading the thread since I went to sleep last night. | ||
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also, thanks for making my job of killing you easier by being obvscum | ||
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On May 02 2012 02:05 Cephiro wrote: By the way, "King". I recommend that you're a bit more careful with your current allies, it seems you are leaking information somewhat easily.. Tell me what information I'm leaking. I only have one person that actually knows everything I'm thinking/doing, and I have very little information about the game or anything that's happening beyond what I've posted in the thread. If you're unable to back up the statement that information is leaking from me, you are lying. Now tell me, what leaked, and who gave you that information. | ||
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On May 02 2012 02:20 Cephiro wrote: You shouldn't trust people too much, this is the Liar Game after all... I'm perfectly fine with you thinking I am lying. After all, making you obvious to certain things would ruin the fun would it not? That's not how it works. You make an inane statement that undermines the work I'm doing, so I demand you say what the fuck you mean by that. I don't trust people too much, if I do, I need to know. It makes no sense from town perspective to not out whatever information you may have about my strategy and my allies, you're intentionally creating confusion with nothing to back it up. So no, I want whatever you're implying you know to be obvious, you're not getting away with trolling like that without explaining yourself. I'm fine with killing you today, and I have the influence to get it done. | ||
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On May 02 2012 03:11 Cephiro wrote: I have in no way undermined the work you claim you are doing. I just said you might want to be a bit more careful, that's all. Are you sure you have the influence to get it done? If you want to dig your own grave, go ahead and try. I dare you. You can be stubborn and think what you want, all I'm saying you should be careful whom you co-operate with. Preferably a bit more than so far. Also, just to dare you a bit more: Who knows? Maybe I am just testing to see how you react, maybe I am talking all bullshit, or maybe I hold some information that you might not want me to know. How is it in any way beneficial to fuck with me if you're town. Seriously, fuck you, you're being dumb. | ||
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I'll spread my votes on anyone that isn't cephiro, chaoser, VE and sandroba I think. mostly gonna make sure rad and prplhz stay alive, probably wiggles too, he seems towny enough. | ||
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Radfield prplhz Wiggles EchelonTee Meapak (it was a close call between meapak and sheth, I don't mind another day with both) | ||
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saving sandroba was dumb, seriously he's basically stopped playing the game, probably going to try and gamble on being on the minority side tomorrow, which in turn forces us to either scheme some kind of a ploy (ie, secretly tell people which side will end up majority) or just randomize it. chaoser also gave 4 votes to cephiro. derp. | ||
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the sandroba vote was confusing me, I assumed this was the case but since sandroba was eligible I wasn't sure. | ||
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On May 02 2012 19:51 syllogism wrote: BC when did you send in your 4 sheth votes and why? Seeing as there is not a single mention of Sheth in your filter it seems like a pretty random decision to dump so much on him. | ||
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On April 30 2012 23:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I give props for palmar thinking of a plan, I shake my head as its not a good one. lol, I got a pat on the back for doing badly! how nice of you BC. ♥ | ||
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Why did you sign up if you didn't have time to play the game? Do you really think that being around for the first 2 hours of every phase is enough? You're going to be held accountable for what you do. I actually don't believe that in the remaining 22 hours of the first phase you never found the time to change your "no" to "yes", thus I'm going to be working under the assumption you did it intentionally. I need to figure out why. Can you give me your top 3 town and scum reads? | ||
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This game is absolutely about finding townies, it's the best way to increase your chances of hitting mafia. Why do you think Ace is making sense? You mentioned him specifically making sense in one of your posts. I don't see him as making sense at all, I see him as worthless at best, scum at worst. You still haven't explained what you meant by giving me props for making a bad plan. I could see that working for a new player, where you expect them to fail, but their enthusiasm means they probably are town, but do you honestly think that if I created a plan that is bad for us, I did so unintentionally? | ||
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On May 03 2012 04:33 Foolishness wrote: No. I was hoping you could just PM Protactinium a ##Shoot: BloodyC0bbler just in case you had a gun. It's a perfectly valid plan, y'know. | ||
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On May 03 2012 07:11 Ace wrote: I could post the playerlist of the game and come to the same conclusion. Bullshit post with no reasoning on to how you got this. Scum. STRAIGHT UP SISTER, YOU STICK IT TO THE MAN. | ||
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I don't think a plan like gonzaw's is going to work at this point in the game, simply because now we have some pretty solid opinions about who we want to lynch. Do you think BC is going to comply with the plan if he's voted to be in the majority? The whole reason why my plan could've worked on day 1 is not because it allows us to specifically kill a certain player, it's because it allowed us to sort of figure out what people were doing and thinking while narrowing the pool of potential players to be lynched. The whole point was that we were not set in on whom we were going to lynch. Today, there is simply no way the prime suspects are going to comply with a plan, they'll just attempt to be in the minority at all costs. I think we're going to have to randomize our answers. | ||
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On May 03 2012 19:41 syllogism wrote: Even if you RNG, you need to PM me what you send in. Players who are willing to cooperate should not rng yet. do this. | ||
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On May 03 2012 15:16 Cephiro wrote: I'd say there's easily at least 3 mafia in that list. Do you really think that there were 4 mafia in the majority yesterday? Please.... I can understand your town reads on syllo and Katina but I have no idea how you find BC scum when you see gonzaw and wbg as town. -_- Die scum, die. | ||
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On May 04 2012 01:45 Cephiro wrote: You're an idiot. Luckily syllo isn't as stupid. Coming from you that's a compliment. | ||
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Pick one person that you would trust with this information aside from yourself. | ||
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On May 01 2012 14:38 Motbob is great wrote: I'm gonna go take a shower, when I get back I'll get started on demonstrating my case against prplhz and Sandroba. In the meantime I encourage you all to drop a vote my way. Remember just one of your precious votes used on me will go along way to ensuring town victory. On May 01 2012 15:15 Motbob is great wrote: Changed my mind, I'm going to bed. I'll post stuff in the morning PST. Still waiting bro. | ||
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Meh, I was hoping for something on sandroba, I didn't notice that your filter on motbob was 2 pages. prplhz is confirmed town anyway. | ||
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On May 04 2012 02:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You will have to forgive me but i dont believe you. as i dont trust you and he hasnt done anything here to make me not suspect him i will not take you're word for it I don't care what you think. You're scum! | ||
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On May 04 2012 02:29 Cephiro wrote: Everyone please, have a moment of silence and look at our great King's awesome scumhunting. With him in lead, we have nothing to fear, we shall be saved in no time. Just like the scummy VisceraEyes that died yesterday. Would kill him again. | ||
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Do whatever you please with this information. | ||
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On May 04 2012 12:04 Foolishness wrote: I vote we either kill BC or Cephiro (or both!) smartest post in thread. I'll be giving my votes to foolishness and bugs, depending on how today pans out. | ||
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On May 04 2012 12:02 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I'm giving all 5 votes to cephiro. G'nite all! dumbest post in thread. | ||
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But alas, they gambled correctly on the yes/no thing, you didn't. I guess there's nothing left for you but Cephiro, how romantic! | ||
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On May 05 2012 01:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: eh? how about you provide a solid reason as to why either of us are red seriously. I don't have to, if anyone is in doubt there's a filter button on all your posts. On May 05 2012 01:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have yet to see a comprehensive argument out of anyone aside from "dont think these people are manipulating me thus you have to be red" and even if that was a not reason for you and the rest of your cohorts to opt on, at least one of you would realize others would need far more than that. Yet you aren't in any way trying to provide those reasons. Hell you have people saying I believe x is guarenteed scum and rather than outlining why for a future lynch you just leave it at that? Thus again making people take your word for it? Yeah, if I die I'm confirmed -> people will re-read the shit I said cause I'm really fucking smart. While I'm alive I don't need to post more than what's required to keep the game flowing. On May 05 2012 01:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You have prpl in the majority docket as well and he was heavily suspected for two days in a row but there has been no solid town play from him, how is he avoiding near all notice and instead getting comments like Yet nothing he has done has in any way shape or form suggested he was town. No one has solidly addressed the analysis on him, and instead just claim hes legit with no basis or at least no provided basis of it. Again, prplhz isn't about to get lynched, I don't have to explain why I think he's confirmed town until there is any danger of him being lynched. And in case I die... well again, people will understand that I must've had a reason for why I said the shit I said. On May 05 2012 01:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Do you even understand why people suspect one of you or syllo or a possibility of both as being red? Yep, most of them because they're scum and don't like us hanging them, I'm not too worried about it, I think killing a bunch of scum is one of the best ways of looking less like one. | ||
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as for sandroba it's pointless talking about him, everyone knows he's scum, we can't kill him atm. If someone gives you or ceph even a single vote I shall tunnel that person with all my wrath. | ||
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btw, your reads that don't say BC and Ceph are scum are wrong. | ||
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For integrity's sake I meant to stick 5 votes on prplhz, I fell asleep when I was putting my daughter to sleep last night so I forgot. I apologize to the players and the hosts. Seems like it didn't change the outcome so I guess it's ok. | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:20 chaoser wrote: ??? what does that even mean? how does that make him 100% scum? My point proven. | ||
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Again, I think random with giving little information away is the way to go for phase A, that way we're going to get some people we want to lynch in the minority. | ||
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On May 06 2012 14:29 slOosh wrote: Palmer do you still stand by your initial read of chaoser which led to your town read on Foolishness (whose reads we can now trust as town motivated)? Well, to an extent. I pointed out yesterday that chaoser has done very little since the heat was off him. he's a good target for killing. | ||
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Chaoser, do you think sandroba is scum? | ||
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No matter how I look at it, while not perfect, we will either kill scum today, or scum will be forced to out themselves. The real problem is that it's very likely sandroba is on that scumteam, and he probably doesn't give a shit about outing himself. meaning if only one of chaoser meapak is on his team, the townie will die, but I guess that's kinda worth confirming the mafia. hopefully they're both scum and this won't be a problem | ||
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We need to murder chaoser and sandroba too, then figure out the remaining two. We really need to kill sandroba, as that will clear up so many things. sandroba isn't even contributing in the thread or out of it, as he's not being a fucking douchebag like Cephiro. I discussed this idea with syllogism yesterday, it's actually very likely that since sandroba almost died on day 1 that his team has basically considered him an autolynch if he ever gets into the majority, so while his team wasn't ready to outright vote for him and out themselves on day one it's very likely they've been stacking the odds to get sandroba into the minority. Sandroba has managed to get into the minority two days in a row, three people have been on the opposing side both times: Katina Gonzaw MZ Katina, what is your current thoughts about sandroba? Do you still think I'm scum? | ||
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I'm not complaining, I was pointing out a feature in the setup that is different from normal and I hadn't fully adjusted to at the start of the game. I actually think it's kinda interesting, although at times annoying to deal with as town. Maybe you can shed some light on mafia perspective? | ||
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On May 08 2012 21:17 Cephiro wrote: As mentioned, time is precious, use it well. Gonna shoot me tonight? | ||
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On May 08 2012 23:14 chaoser wrote: You reads of scum are literally people who disagreed with the palmar plan (MZ, Ace, BC, Me) and people who are lurking (sandro). Bugs disagreed loudly and passionately with my plan. It's not a matter of what, it's a matter of how and why. | ||
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You're the first person to oppose my plan in a dumb way, now I know it's not as bad of a scumclaim as BC saying "pro town", sandroba not caring or Cephiro lying about leaks in my group, but it's still a scumclaim. | ||
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MZ/Sandroba is another one, not sure who the last one is. Could be katina, could be gonzaw, could be ET, could be you. It's probably not wiggles or prplhz because MZ would not bus two of his teammates. Depending on voting patterns (stacking to get sandroba in the minority) it's most likely the last person is either katina or gonzaw. | ||
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But for two days in a row sandroba has been in the minority. If my theory on the scumteams is correct this doesn't have to be a coincidence, as any scum team can stack their odds of getting him into the minority by simply putting the other two people who are in less danger on the other side. This theory also works because our focus so far has been on BC's team, where cephiro outed himself quite easily, so MZ and whoever is the last one have not been under any suspicion really, as chaoser/sheth/cephiro have been the focus of our lynch attempts, with 2 of them being scum and one being town, none of them are, in theory, on sandroba's team. | ||
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at least you're more bearable than ceph. | ||
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On May 10 2012 03:13 Katina wrote: Wasn't BC also saying that any round A plans are stupid and can't guarantee anything? He was mafia. Anything to toss the doubt around eh? How is that remotely tossing doubt around. Do you have a fleshed out plan on how to proceed? You've been tunneling me all game, the only reason you've gotten by this long is foolishness seemed to think you're town. | ||
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We're obviously going to kill chaoser today. | ||
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On May 09 2012 23:51 Palmar wrote: It's probably not wiggles or prplhz because MZ would not bus two of his teammates. That argument is obviously invalid now that it's very hard for me to make a case which would make MZ scum. prplhz still looks very towny because of his interactions with syllogism early in the game. I keep coming back to the fact that Radfield voted for Cephiro early in the game. This is the annoying thing about replacements, he/you are getting away with no responsibility at all from that exchange. I'm re-reading the entire thing to form a new opinion on the game. | ||
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Anyone who votes chaoser will be considered autoscum for the rest of the game. @Katina: you never answered my question about sandroba. Do you think he's scum? I kind of don't mind dying, this game is much less fun now that I don't have syllo to talk to. If that's what it takes for you derps to pull your heads out of your asses and realize what's going on, then sure, don't vote me. As I've already explained, MZ's change of stance basically confirms him town, no scum would ever commit to a case on a townie and then back off, that only draws suspicion their way. I still stand by the notion prplhz is confirmed town. chaoser, sandroba and cephiro are scum. I'm actually backing off the idea that gonzaw could be one, I re-read most of yours filtes and he seems very townie. Katina still looks terrible, of course she looks even worse since to myself I'm confirmed town, but when I flip drill her for why the hell she did what she's doing. She's also been on the wrong side of sandroba's voting plenty of times. The last scum is either ET or Wiggles, after re-reading. sloosh is asking perfectly valid questions, and my initial town read on Radfield means a lot, even if that vote on cephiro was stupid as shit, I don't think radfield was paying too much attention, but he did sound like town early on. | ||
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Although I guess killing off a family might reduce KP or something. I'm still working under the assumption that cephiro is in chaoser's/bc's family. | ||
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@prplhz, it's completely irrelevant, as long as the people I say are scum are being killed before me. It actually kinda suits me to be under suspicion, means less chance I get shot, I should probably thank katina for that once you derps pull your faces together and read her filter and we kill her. | ||
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I'll be sure to post shit before daybreak, need to re-read everything. | ||
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I'm still cutting down on possibilities, rethinking the entire thing. I've basically read every filter of the living players again, and some of the stuff said by other people. From towniest to scummiest atm: Palmar Mz prplhz sloosh Gonzaw ET Mr. Wiggles Katina Sandroba And yeah I'm fine with people controlling my vote, but I'd like for meapak to be in charge of it. | ||
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He roleclaimed to me on day 1, quite early. I don't think he's scum. | ||
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I'm not sure how well I like the voting mechanics because they're inherently time-based. We couldn't save me that night because I was simply sound asleep. What syllogism said was right. I did not do very much to push the bugs/syllo/prplhz group in any particular direction. I started bussing sandroba immediately hard on day 1, and besides that I was quite content this group was off chasing chaoser, sheth, cephiro, BC and MZ. It was a good group of people to attack. What did not work out in my gameplay was, as has been mentioned a few times, that I failed to keep the farce going for too long. this is because I never in a million years expected to flip before sandroba. That was my safety net, I was going to push very hard the idea that I had been attacking sandroba since day 1, and given how influential I was on the BC and chaoser lynches, I could make a case for it not being possible for me to be either mafia family. If you carefully read my posts, I had been setting MZ up for getting blamed for soft-pushing sandroba while hard-pushing prplhz. Everything of course blew in my face when prplhz and I got double lynched and sandroba lived, however, I had left almost no tracks to EchelonTee, who handily managed to win the game. Easily the MVP of this game. | ||
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