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On May 12 2012 06:38 prplhz wrote:Uhmn, like, who do you think are on the remaining scum teams? 
Prplhz here's what I've got at the moment. Just waiting for the night to end at this point.
On May 11 2012 15:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Gonna repost this real quick Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Well that was unfortunate even if expected. However the game's over. WBG and I worked out a finalized scum list.
Team A: Cephiro, BloodyCobbler, Chaoser
Team B: Sandroba, Palmar, Mr. Wiggles
If the townies could please PM me, I've got a plan that will maximize the number of scum in round A so we can finish this quick. So I'm pretty close to figuring out who the scum to replace Palmar is. It'll be interesting to see if Cephiro shoots into the other team tonight or if the other team decides to finish him off. Either way, tomorrow things are going down in a similar manner as today, those of the above who fall into the majority are gonna get instakilled.
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ugh, just got done with crap and I'm completely exhausted. If I die, people know my reads.
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iYBh7.png) Day 5: Round A
Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house
Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse...
It is now Round A (Minority Voting).
The statement for today's game is:
The most important thing in life...is money.
If you agree with this statement, vote yes.
If you disagree with this statement, vote no.
Round A (Minority Round) ends in 24 hours at 8PM PDT (03:00 GMT (+00:00) your time). Please PM your vote (Yes/No) to me before then.
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Wow... alright scum care to resign now?
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:o no one died? wow i was expecting to enter a 4town4scum scenario, we've lucked out like sht or something.
....better not be delay. i think only gmarhsal does that
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sandro, you should vote with the town so that we can eliminate members of the remaining scumteam.
At the moment I'm looking at:
Yokoya: sandro
Scum2: Palmar, MZ, gonzaw/Wiggles
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Town we'll be doing things similar to yesterday. I'll be gone for much of the later half so ET and Gonzaw will be handling stuff.
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I'm going to have to travel. Be back tomorrow. Sending in yes.
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On May 12 2012 06:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Katina you're pretty aggressive for someone who hasn't done anything. If you actually think Palmar is scum you're really gonna have to do better than that.
He distracted the town day 1. He has hardly contributed anything. His filter is one liners mostly. He doesn't call people retarded like anyone would expect out of him.
What more is there to say? Your reasoning for saying he's town is that he has had the same reads as you. But those reads are sandroba and Cephiro. Everyone wants to kill those two. Hardly a reason for thinking he's town.
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Hey guys if we organize it so that everybody votes yes/no in pairs, then we can force Cephiro into majority. We can also organize it around sandroba to get him into majority no matter what he decides to vote.
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If we buddy up and split yes/no and either both will end up in majority or we tie.
4yes, 4 no -> 5yes, 5no with ceph&sand split or 4 yes/no 6 no/yes with ceph & sand same answer.
No doubt scum team will try to squirm sand / ceph into minority somehow so will be thinking about it today.
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But we kinda have to decide rather fast. I'm splitting my vote with Palmar like yesterday. You guys can organize yourself.
The idea is that if we split
Yes No
Yes No
Yes No
Yes No
Yes No
Then the last guy will be in majority no matter what he says. Lets make Cephiro that guy (and maybe he'll pull sandroba with him if we're lucky)
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Okay I'm back.
Well damn, I did think we would be pretty fucked with 2 kills tonight or something. Night kills are very weird this game, I don't know what the hell is going on or why scum sometimes kill and sometimes doesn't.
Gonna check PMs and then try to come up with something, ET are you here?
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yeah, just got back from a picnic
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Hey, sorry for not being around the last little while, it was my brother's grad, so I was doing that all day long yesterday.
No one's really talking about much, so I'm going to bring up what I wrote about Palmar again, since no one talked about it the first time:
Palmar is scum, because of the way the game has played out, and his general attitude and play through it. To see this, ask, "What has Palmar accomplished throughout the game?". On day 1, he came out strongly with his plan, after he managed to gain Syllogism's trust. His plan though, put all of the power into his own hands. People opposed this, and the plan didn't end up being changed or modified, it just got dropped on subsequent days. Since then, Palmar has been riding the position of authority that being in the WBG/Syllo/Palmar trio had given him, but hasn't been doing much else. It was syllogism who was very active in the thread, and doing the most public scumhunting, and it was WBG who was organizing all the voting in order to get things done. So, WBG and Syllo were organizing the town and making sure that we actually acoomplished what we set out to do, but how did Palmar fit into this? From my perspective, he didn't. He gained Syllo's trust enough on Day 1 for him to get a town read on him, and has just been riding that for the rest of the game. Of the three, it looks like he was the one who was doing the least, or from my perspective, nothing at all.
As well, I know that at least WBG was suspicious of Palmar last night, if not Syllo as well. WBG revealed this to me, here:
+ Show Spoiler +From: wherebugsgo [ 5534 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Liar Game
Date: 5/9/12 11:31
yeah syllo and I have been a bit unsure on Palmar given that he hasn't done very much all game. But it's hard to fit him with any actual scumteam. I suppose we'll have to wait and see but yes, out of the minority group on d1 I'd say palmar fits the bill more than most to be scum.
Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
Ok, that makes more sense, then.
What do you think of Palmar? Personally, if only one between you three were scum, I'd probably say it were him, unless he's doing a lot more in private than I know of. It seems like Syllo got an initial town read on him, and now he hasn't been doing as much? Does that sound right? I'm pretty sure you're town, and like Syllo more than Palmar.
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Original Message From wherebugsgo:
I would've certainly hit foolishness too if I were scum. I was closer to him than I was to syllo/Palmar anyway (and fairly more sure of him being town up to him not responding for a good 24ish hours)
Anyway I think he was probably shot because he's Foolishness and he scares scum. He was also making quite a bit of sense as usual. He was also universally considered town (think about it; the only person who dared call him scum publicly while he was alive was BC) for a very long time.
As my read (and syllo's) on him in private was changing it didn't affect the shot, which boded well in a certain way.
Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
Ok, thanks. I was wondering if prplhz made a medic save or something on N1 and claimed it, because all I knew is it was out of the thread. I find it harder to figure out what's happening, because I have no clue how the KP works, and at least the N2 kill doesn't make much sense compared to what I think I would do as scum.
Why do you think Foolishness was hit, instead of someone in the group of You/Syllo/Palmar?
Original Message From wherebugsgo:
Hmm, I thought I answered it. W/e, here it is anyway:
For prplhz: I've sheeped syllo's read and accepted that in order for him to be scum at least one of those players needs to flip town first. Syllo thinks prpl is town based on how he acted when it came to his votes d1; he asked about where to put them and did so according to syllo's instructions despite not even understanding the rules fully. Syllo thinks that in such a situation he would simply ask his team how to vote and whom. I tend to agree, though I am less convinced than he is.
I don't think prplhz is an issue until we reach such a juncture where he basically has to be scum.
As for sloosh, I am still suspicious of him and for me those suspicions never disappeared. If you noticed, I didn't put a vote on him yesterday (I put 2 on syllo or something like that, don't recall now) he still hasnt come forth with any sort of case in thread and his responses to me in PMs for that still do not seem to impress me. He's not been proactive at all when it comes to the game, not something I'd expect from him as town.
He used the excuse "it's my first PM game, idk what to do"
Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
I asked:
"Can you tell me why prplhz is considered "confirmed" town by syllo, or why all suspicion of sloosh seemed to disappear overnight?"
I'm curious about that, since thinking or knowing they're town reduces the pool of players to look at.
Original Message From wherebugsgo:
Sorry, which PM?
I had a town read based on comparing his filter to what I've seen in LI and several games where he's rolled scum. He also has put plenty of effort forward in PMs (particularly d2) with me in terms of talking out scumreads and whatnot.
As he is decently open in PMs (he's PMed me to start with, for example) and as just recently in PMs he wasn't comfortable PMing as scum I think for now it's safe to call him town.
The other problem I have though right now is: until chaoser/Cephiro/sandro die and flip it's hard to know what to do exactly or who to look at specifically. It's unfortunate, but we are heldup still by that I think.
Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
Hey, are you going to answer my PM?
Also, what do you think of EchelonTee? It seems like most of what he's doing is coming in after most people have decided on who to lynch and making a big unnecessary "case" on them. After the third time, it's looking like an empty contribution to me. Thoughts?
So, last night's hits make a lot of sense in this framework. One, or both, of WBG and Syllo were beginning to question Palmar, and they either brought it up to him himself, or leaked it to someone on his scum team. As well, people were really questioning why no shots went into their trio, which implied that there was scum influence there. So, he decided to shoot whoever was coming on more strongly, and to make it look better for him. Unfortunately, someone else shot the other one, so it revealed him pretty brusquely. Also note how since Meapak "took over", he hasn't been trying to even live at all. He's probably just hoping that you'll kill myself or Chaoser, and he gets another try at getting into the minority. He's clammed up, because he doesn't want to give you any extra information, just like Sandroba's been since Day 1. As town, do you really think he would let someone else become ringmaster of "his" circus? Look at how he acted on Day 1 where he put up a facade of wanting to be the town leader, and how he responded to people who questioned his authority. Now contrast that to how he's acting now. Why do you think he's just taking Meapak taking control over him lying down? It's because he's scum.
Also, to put another nail in the Sandroba coffin, vote analysis says that he's on BC/Chaoser's team as well.
Player | Day 1 | Day 2 | Day 3 | Day 4 |
Chaoser | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
Bc | No | No |-------|-------|
Sandro | Yes | Yes | No | No |
He votes in a block with Chaoser against BC until BC dies, and then he switches to voting against Chaoser. He's the only living player who votes this way.
I'm probably going to vote yes again.
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Did you mislabel that? It looks like Sandroba is chaoser's teammate.
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Oh, my bad, thought you were talking about Palmar in that instance. I agree that Sandroba looks very much so like their teammate.
Wiggles, what do you think of Cephiro?
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I thought we figured that one out days ago =.=
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I just came home, voted opposed to prplhz, talk to you tomorrow.
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On May 13 2012 07:11 EchelonTee wrote:
Oh, my bad, thought you were talking about Palmar in that instance. I agree that Sandroba looks very much so like their teammate.
Wiggles, what do you think of Cephiro?
I think he's scum right now. What do you think of Palmar?
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