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His activity has also drastically dropped when it became apparent palmar/me/wbg and foolishness got control of the game. You defending him for no reason only serves to increase our suspicions as chaoser/meapak team makes quite a bit of sense.
lol...you played in the SS game with sandro. What did town do when sandro had all of the control? nothing. Like, the last few pages were literally VE screaming a bunch. If you notice, EVERYONE'S activity has dropped this game after control was taken. That's because there's nothing to do...
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If Ace wasn't dead right now i bet you'd be saying he's part of the meapal/chaoser/ace team...basically anyone who disagrees with your (I mean your group's) view of how the game works is apparently mafia and needs to be dealt with. It's the same thing that led to Ace being dayvigied in SS.
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Feel free to make a case on someone who can be lynched today, other than sheth of course.
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I'm trying to figure out if there's a gaping hole somewhere in prplhz's plan. I have no interest in mafia opinions.
Chaoser, do you think sandroba is scum?
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On May 08 2012 01:59 syllogism wrote:
Feel free to make a case on someone who can be lynched today, other than sheth of course.
gonzaw
Katina
Liquid`Sheth
Meapak_Ziphh
Mr. Wiggles
slOosh
syllogism
So from that? lol
kinda slim picking seeing as how most of the people I think are mafia are in the minority list
sandro/ceph/sheth/ET/Palmar
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Oh so you think one mafia team went 0-3 or 0-2 last night? Weren't you saying foolishness style voting analysis would be useful
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I've figured out why I'm being targeted like this btw.
If you are mafia you actually want to kill other mafia. So that makes sense that syllo's mafia play would still be this hunting really badly for the other house. Anyway I'm town, and I think my flip will actually help town more then anything else I can do because you guys seem to just assume I'm mafia regardless of what I say. Look at Gonzaw the kid has a good chance of being mafia.
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Sheth so you are saying you look like mafia and me trying to kill you makes me mafia, because i'm mafia trying to kill mafia? Brilliant
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I'm saying I decided you weren't mafia because you were scum hunting in a good fashion going after people not necessarily me in general. But I realize now as Mafia you'd be wanting to do the same thing. It actually kind of messes up my reads on everyone and ironically those who aren't really caring about finding mafia are probably the towniest or just the laziest, because mafia should really be trying to clean out the other house quite a lot.
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Thanks for making this game more fun sheth
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On May 08 2012 02:08 syllogism wrote:
Oh so you think one mafia team went 0-3 or 0-2 last night? Weren't you saying foolishness style voting analysis would be useful
How does happening make it not useful? 1-2 isn't going to happen every round A, as people have said multiple times. Mafia are obviously going to 0-3 or 0-2 from time to time.
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I gotta go to work so bbl
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So what are people's thoughts on Sloosh? There seemed to be a general feeling that he was scum, but now I don't see his name being mentioned at all for the lynch. Did something happen in PM land that I missed?
Also, for how the KP works. I don't think that there's some third party who holds all the KP, and just think that's Cephiro trolling. Even if it's true, we'll just kill him. He'd have already shown he's anti-town with the kills, and I doubt he'd tell us who are the mafia that have contacted him, like he seemed to imply happened.
My own views are that there's either a medic who's saved a likely target twice, or a bullet-proof third party who attracted shots twice, though that seems unlikely. I see the medic being a more realistic scenario considering it's likely scum would shoot into Palmar/Syllo/WBG to disrupt the town. If there isn't a medic, then I'm not sure why scum didn't shoot there, and it probably implies that one or more of them are scum.
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On May 08 2012 02:08 syllogism wrote:
Oh so you think one mafia team went 0-3 or 0-2 last night? Weren't you saying foolishness style voting analysis would be useful
Aren't you also saying theres one mafia team with 0-2 last night? your five is sheth/sandro/ceph/me/MZ with Me/MZ being on a team and sandro/sheth being on a team. No matter how you cut that, there's a 0-# team in there.
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On May 07 2012 22:26 prplhz wrote:I think you're painting a wrong picture of this situation when you say that it's according to "my reads", sounds like we're just doing whatever I feel like, which is not really true. I'm not claiming to have figured out the remaining 5 scum, I read the thread and listened to people and general consensus appears to be that those 5 are likely scum (and everybody else is likely town), so why not lynch them?
Yea, my plan actually accounts for how you, as a townie, might mess it up just to piss me off. You're in red. I don't really see why any townie would mess stuff up just to piss someone else off though. If you feel like somebody is scum or whatever then there are clearly better ways to go about than to just try to mess everything up.
prplhz, what are your exact reads (and not "general consensus")?
Well, apparently your reads are those you marked in read in that list, but why? You haven't brought forward any reasoning for any scum read since the game started if I remember.
@chaoser: Can you give any reasoning why you think those are mafia? I asked you why you thought ET was mafia before and you never answered. Now you think Sheth is mafia all of a sudden and you don't say why either.
@sloosh: Again, do you have any scumreads either?
Geez what's up with you people? You guys are making this game quite frustrating by deliberately doing no scumhunting at all.
Can you add sloosh's filter to the filter list?
On May 08 2012 02:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I've figured out why I'm being targeted like this btw.
If you are mafia you actually want to kill other mafia. So that makes sense that syllo's mafia play would still be this hunting really badly for the other house. Anyway I'm town, and I think my flip will actually help town more then anything else I can do because you guys seem to just assume I'm mafia regardless of what I say. Look at Gonzaw the kid has a good chance of being mafia.
lol
I'd say I'm still waiting for your actual "case" against me but I know you'll never make it.
About prplhz's plan:
I've already PMed wbg, but well I'll put it here as well. I don't think having these 3 lynch targets and trying to kill all of them at the same time is a good idea.
I want Sheth lynched today, and that's very unlikely to happen if we do this.
I'm sure Cephiro will give him all his 5 votes or something, and in prplhz's case sandroba/Meapak can give him some votes to save him as well. Even if they don't, Cephiro's votes suffice to save him.
Even worse, Cephiro is obviously not cooperating, and is an obvious mafia that doesn't fear "getting caught" by voting as he pleases.
If we leave the votes on chaoser/Sheth/Meapak at 0/0/0, Cephiro alone will be the one that will determine the lynch.
It's also apparent that not everybody will follow this plan in the strictest terms, and some people may slip some votes to one of chaoser/Sheth/Meapak to save them as well.
The point is that we will definitely control that at least 1 of these 3 will die, but we won't control who. Unless we are 100% sure all 3 are scum then this is obviously flawed.
I don't want to risk Sheth being saved, yet the townie out of chaoser/Meapak (if there is one) getting lynched instead. We should get the obvious mafia lynched first, in this case Sheth, then Cephiro once he's in the majority.
I think we should just give everybody except Sheth 8 votes and make it simple.
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I'm relatively confident that sheth/chaoser/meapak are all mafia, but given that it is unlikely that we can lynch more than one today, it should be sheth. Chaoser/meapak can vote each other all I care and I tell sandroba to give a few votes to his teammates. Everyone else has to be at 9 votes so mafia can't do some sort of all-in
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On May 08 2012 02:40 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 02:08 syllogism wrote:
Oh so you think one mafia team went 0-3 or 0-2 last night? Weren't you saying foolishness style voting analysis would be useful Aren't you also saying theres one mafia team with 0-2 last night? your five is sheth/sandro/ceph/me/MZ with Me/MZ being on a team and sandro/sheth being on a team. No matter how you cut that, there's a 0-# team in there.
No, I think chaoser/meapak/sandroba is one team and bc/sheth/ceph is another. Not that this is relevant, because I'm not the one who is trying to use analyze vote splits at this point and definitely not trying to use that as a reason not to lynch people who I think are mafia.
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@gonzaw They kind of my reads too, but I think Cephiro was painting it as how I just wanted everybody to sheep my bad reads. I was suggesting a plan that went along with general town consensus and that's important because everybody is needed to make it work.
How can Liquid`Sheth survive if we go through with my plan? You are suggesting that he might survive if Cephiro gives Liquid`Sheth 5 votes and sandroba/Meapak_Ziphh gives him 4+ votes combined, but so what? They will be working directly against town wishes if they do that and confirm themselves as scum.
@syllogism If we go through with the plan I suggested I don't see why we can't lynch three people today. There are 25 votes unaccounted for and split among 3 scum that is 9/9/7, which means that they can, if the two scum groups coordinate among themselves and out themselves in the process, save two people still leaving one dead. It's just too much risk for too little gain for scum and they'll most likely end up saving at very best one of the reds in my list. If you are so sure that they're all red then I have no idea why you are stalling with the, "it is unlikely that we can't lynch more than on today".
Really, there are too many too townie people who think that these guys are a decent lynch, every excuse you can use not to go through with it is just crazy. The plan isn't even about lynching 3 people, it's about keeping 5 people alive. We cannot do better than this plan because then we would be compromising townies. I know that you're still suspicious of me wherebugsgo and gonzaw but can't you talk to syllogism or Palmar about this or something.
If you guys don't want to go through with this plan and you want to lynch only one then you have to use votes for the 5 greens in my list to spend on 2 of the reds, what votes do you intend to use for this? Which of the greens do you want to take votes away from to give to the reds?
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If chaoser/meapak/sandroba are mafia, they obviously won't let two of their team mates die today. Chaoser has already established that he thinks meapak is town, so he will probably give all his votes to meapak and meapak may or may not do the same for him. I suppose I can tell sandroba not to vote for those two, but if he does, we can't really conclude that they are all mafia and on the same team just from the fact sandroba voted for them.
The problem is that if one of them is town, it's possible that the person in question will get lynched instead of sheth.
Anyway, just follow prplhz plan, but I expect only one of them to actually get lynched unless they decide to forfeit.
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