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On May 07 2012 01:30 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I was coaching someone at that time period. Do you want me to have the guy pm you verifying my alibi?
Syllogism asked if I would post who I told about my putting 5 votes on Cephiro not being real and those were the 2 messages that I sent in PM's. You can ask Meapak if its not exactly correct Anyway thats the context for those two quotes.
Hey, it's day now, I guess you have time to "answer" my questions now and start contributing right?
On May 06 2012 22:14 prplhz wrote:
so what's going to happen today?
prp, I haven't seen post at all lately, and I think I haven't seen any read of yours the whole game
What are your thoughts on Cephiro/Sheth/sandro?
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Is there any request for PM logs? I could post some/all of mine, and most of VE's as well.
I think everyone should note that the 1 KP survivor holds a lot of power in this game, as he survives with any faction, and he appareantly has the only KP, so he's fine with co-operating with any faction as long as they keep him alive, and the only KP in the game gets you quite far.... 
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Speaking pure hypotheticals don't do anything for us. Could you post any logs you had with Ace / BC?
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Including a 1kp survivor and giving the mafia no KP, given that the survivor can easily side with town, controlling the only KP in the game is basically not balanced.
The simple solution is that you're scum
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On May 07 2012 05:55 Palmar wrote:Including a 1kp survivor and giving the mafia no KP, given that the survivor can easily side with town, controlling the only KP in the game is basically not balanced. The simple solution is that you're scum
Too bad life is not always that simple, and you're once again wrong.
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On May 07 2012 05:40 slOosh wrote:
Speaking pure hypotheticals don't do anything for us. Could you post any logs you had with Ace / BC?
As requested:
Original Message From Ace: sounds like a very good theory for life! Show nested quote +Original Message From Cephiro: I see. Well, let's see who lives in a moment. Original Message From Ace: not thinking about him at all. just a fly trying to buzz on my honey jar. Original Message From Cephiro:
Whatchu think about gonzaw?
Original Message From Ace: chaoser seems more useful than the other 2. Show nested quote +Original Message From Cephiro:
May I ask you your opinion about the syllo&Palmar&chaoser triangle?
BC:
Original Message From BloodyC0bbler: Eh, people do random things all the time. Is it unlikely that if chaoser is mafia that he is on the same team as syllo/palmar is either is red. Yes, but its not a certainty. In a setup like this manipulation and creating a strong stance/distance will be needed to keep members of a team alive. It all comes down to the individual player and given the lineup of this game I expect that anything could happen given the players. on a slightly different note I will be watching everyone who makes "town hunting" or the like comments intently. In this setup town should be more worried about finding mafia. Mafia has more interest in clearing who is and isn't town as they have direct competition with another faction. I feel this is one of the more safe ways to catch reds at this point in time. Show nested quote +Original Message From Cephiro: Okay, thanks for your opinion. -About Gonzaw: Yeah, I shouldn't get so worked up but considering the possibility that he is town makes me just want to bang my head against the wall. Maybe I should try to take it easy and try to look at it from a 3rd person perspective better if he keeps it up. I am having a hard time believing that Palmar and syllo would both be scum, but at the moment I am considering a scenario like this: Syllo scum, managed to team up w/ Palmar, and as he is servant, it is easy for him to back up any suspicious posts by "Order of the King". Effectively being in charge of multiple things but being able to avoid the blame. I am still a bit unsure on chaoser, but I asked your opinion because I've felt that everything doesn't seem to be right. With the early strong stance against Palmar, I am thinking it's a golden opportunity for the opposing mafia to push strongly, as if they succeed, it's one or even multiple townies/scum members of the other team down, and doesn't really give much of a risk, as any plan involved with one ruler is somewhat easy to oppose from a legit viewpoint. I was thinking even that a bus could be possible, but I just can't see chaoser being on the same team with either Palmar or syllo, unless they're town. Original Message From BloodyC0bbler: Palmar and syllo buddying instantly is odd as hell to my senses but syllo is known for auto buddying his friends. I dislike the relationship purely because anyone could fool someone and with the plan they were pushing I get the feeling one of them is off. Chaoser is weird. He has some posts that feel extremely townlike, others that feel extremely mafia like. It is day 1 and a game with two families so this is something to consider when I evaluate people. However nothing these 3 players have done has inspired any sense of confidence in their presumed innocence. As for gonzaw just ignore him. Guy had a reason to suspect you, then just continued to push the same point basically in different ways hoping for a different result. Don't get so worked up about random poor pressuring. If he continues it I would say he has some ulterior motive, but if he stops he is prob just bad at making cases. Original Message From Cephiro:
Instant townie points for your latest post. You addressed it much better than I did.
If you got the time, could you give me opinions on the relations between Palmar, syllo and chaoser?
Also, if you can be bothered to read through the shitstorm, does it look to you that gonzaw is actually trying to make a proper case on me or is just trying to make me bad and set me up?
Hoping to get a reply soon, thanks anyways.
I would say there are others that are of more interest though.
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Then why not just post them?
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Why should I? No-one has requested them.
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United States2095 Posts
Hey so for the record I think Cephiro is town. I've been thinking about it all day and thats my read. I also think Syllogism is too.
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if any/all of cephiro/sheth/sandroba/chaoser/sloosh are in the majority I say we kill them all.
Indiscriminately, kill them all.
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Sheth is setting himself up so if he votes Cephiro he's not suspected later.
To that, I say: die scum, die.
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I voted yes, wifom that as you please.
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Sorry for being super AWOL; this weekend has been a little crazy for me. I'll be back fully active starting next phase.
Why do sloosh/chaoser look bad WBG? Did I miss a case somewhere?
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Bring this back up since Sheth hasn't acknowledged it:
On May 07 2012 01:34 syllogism wrote:
It seems to me you should have PMed your #1 town read, Palmar instead if you wanted to keep that information secret so you could see how people react.
Also, if he told BC beforehand that the votes were a bluff, then BC would have known that Cephiro was very likely to receive no votes at all, and still chose to put two votes on him.
He knew that no doubt that this would bring some intense suspicions and scrutiny upon him. So I'm inclined to think that he anticipated the good probability that he was going to die and used his votes without fear of repercussion upon himself. (all pronouns in this sentence referring to BC).
Now I'd say that this looks very similar to his votes on MZ.
WBG could you confirm who had this information that you were voting MZ?
Or your thoughts on MZ in general?
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no one knew that I was voting MZ except gonzaw and potentially syllo (syllo wasn't around at the time though)
the reason I was voting MZ was in case cephiro and BC traded votes. In fact based on BC giving cephiro votes I'm pretty sure (if Cephiro and BC weren't on the same team) that BC was gambling that Cephiro would give him votes.
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and as for meapak, if he's not having a bad town game he's scum. However there's plenty of targets who are more likely to flip scum (IMO) at this juncture.
If any one of Cephiro/sandro/sheth/chaoser don't flip scum then we should probably kill Meapak.
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On May 07 2012 09:45 wherebugsgo wrote:
Sheth is setting himself up so if he votes Cephiro he's not suspected later.
To that, I say: die scum, die.
No I'm really not.
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Sheth, would you mind responding to Syllo, and also providing your PM logs with BC?
On May 07 2012 01:34 syllogism wrote:
Yes, I know meapak verified the story and I have seen your logs with him. You have provided no logs of your conversations with BC, unless he never replied and you randomly decided to PM him without talking to him at all about anything. It seems to me you should have PMed your #1 town read, Palmar instead if you wanted to keep that information secret so you could see how people react.
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On May 07 2012 11:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Sheth, would you mind responding to Syllo, and also providing your PM logs with BC? Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 01:34 syllogism wrote:
Yes, I know meapak verified the story and I have seen your logs with him. You have provided no logs of your conversations with BC, unless he never replied and you randomly decided to PM him without talking to him at all about anything. It seems to me you should have PMed your #1 town read, Palmar instead if you wanted to keep that information secret so you could see how people react.
Already answered it, read a few pages back.
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On May 07 2012 11:22 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 11:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Sheth, would you mind responding to Syllo, and also providing your PM logs with BC? On May 07 2012 01:34 syllogism wrote:
Yes, I know meapak verified the story and I have seen your logs with him. You have provided no logs of your conversations with BC, unless he never replied and you randomly decided to PM him without talking to him at all about anything. It seems to me you should have PMed your #1 town read, Palmar instead if you wanted to keep that information secret so you could see how people react. Already answered it, read a few pages back.
Would you mind pointing it out for me? I don't see where you answer why you didn't PM Palmar instead of Meapak or BC anywhere. Also, all I see is one PM you sent to BC, that doesn't constitute logs. I'm asking you to reveal the correspondence you've had with BC, either that chain in it's entirety, or everything you've talked about too, if you're feeling cooperative.
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