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 I am definitely excited! And yes, this account is brandnew. Being a long time reader I didn't see the need to get an account until now. | ||
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The rules state that we may not PM. So I can't discuss with other players via PM but must use this thread? Even if I am Mafia, I may not talk to the other Mafias exept for in this thread? | ||
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If I get a special role like Jailkeeper or Roleblocker, I just PM the host before every night? And may I change the target afterwards as well? | ||
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Seems like I should have chosen a better name? ^^ Anyway, I am no smurf just a long time reader creating the account to try TL Mafia. I only played a similar game IRL once so I really wanted to try this. Isn't it a bit harsh to judge the players by their names? Maybe we should talk about the name Gummy. Perhaps someone who loves gummy bears and apparentely tofu. Weird sense of taste @Paschl: I think you can change your timezone in your profile by picking the right country. | ||
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Isn't it better to abstain from any roleclaiming? Otherwise isn't it easier to identify the special roles? Furthermore scum could just claim to be regular townies and right now we have no way to prove anything. I would have thought claiming to be a townie is just as suspicious as saying nothing about it but hey, I don't have any experience in this game | ||
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On May 01 2012 09:35 Gummy wrote: Don't worry. I already figured out who the scum are. It's paschl and ange. Thank me later. I really don't know how to argue with you when you are only basing your accusation on me taking to a little longer to roleclaim. I mentioned my doubts about the usefulness of roleclaiming at the beginning. I'll just go to bed now and hope that this won't provoke any suspicion from your side :D | ||
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I am somehow torn between Claw and Gummy. Claw I actually agree with DeMorcerfs LAL, so what struck me was this: On May 02 2012 15:02 Clawtrocity wrote: How is it ok for Tofu to do it, but not okay for me to lie about my role? Why are you already implying that (both of) you are lying? As of now, no one can prove the claims. Although you stated you don't like this specific tactic of early roleclaiming, why wouldn't you insist on being the medic and defend your role against other accusations? Is it because you know you are lying and the medic has to be someone else? You might confuse mafia with this move but you could be mafia youself confusing all of us townies. Gummy I don't like your aggressive way of playing, doubting every player based on very little and somehow changing your mind every minute. But your timing to claim medic and to suspect Claw got me thinking. Gummy immediately called Claw scum when Claw roleclaimed. There may not have been any good arguments why Claw should be scum at that time but if Gummy was sure about Claw lying that would be more than enough to doubt him. On May 01 2012 20:04 Gummy wrote: The way I see it, clawtrocity is: 1.) Useless 2.) A townie who is trying to take the bullet for the real medic. I have no reason to believe there would be two medics. 3.) Scum who is trying to cast away suspicion from himself. Only after rereading the filter I saw that Gummy already sliped a medic claim. Either it was a simple mistake him being the medic or a really well did move being scum to cast suspicion on Claw. | ||
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1) You really are the medic and absolutely sure about him lying. 2) Claw is the real medic and you are desperate to kill him before someone reveals you as scum. Although this logic is flawed as everbody would blame you if Claw flipped blue. Or you are playing a huge mindgame and already calculated that possibility? God, this is just soo confusing ... Anyway, bullying us townies is not the smartest move. It just makes your case against Claw more suspicous, as if you can't win our votes through reason and logical thinking. What I am most interested in right now is Claw's defense. I'd like to hear some more about his reasoning for lying/or defending himself as the real medic before I cast my vote. @Paschl: On May 03 2012 00:42 paschl wrote: And in your posts you say that you hinted at being the medic before Claw claimed, could you point me to the post? After Claw claimed medic, Gummy voted Claw and then immediately posted the following WITHOUT directly claiming to be medic himself. On May 01 2012 20:04 Gummy wrote: The way I see it, clawtrocity is: 1.) Useless 2.) A townie who is trying to take the bullet for the real medic. I have no reason to believe there would be two medics. 3.) Scum who is trying to cast away suspicion from himself. | ||
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 How much time do we have left until voting ends? | ||
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While I do understand your logic I don't believe No lynch is better than possibly mislynching. By voting for a lynch we will be able to see who voted on whom and why. No lynch just gives scum an excuse not to make a case against someone. You are correct that by lynching one of the three potential blue roles we might mislynch. But lynching is the only way to get more information about the motives of every votes. If we just wait for night, scum can pick a target and we only get to know what colour they flipped. With this little information it would be really hard to reveal scum on day 2. If I missed some point, please tell me. Regarding my role claiming: I thought this was normal seeing all the other players roleclaiming. I merely wanted to state that I don't think it will be of much use. I admit being a first time player I am probably easier to influence so next time being pressured to role claim I will think first and then post Can you please explain why I should not have posted that? On May 03 2012 05:17 DeMorcerf wrote: Yet, you don't go crazy when Gummy pressures you; and you then put forward Gummy's medic slip and analyze how Claw appears to be a bad liar. But this: + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 01:27 Ange777 wrote: 2) Claw is the real medic and you are desperate to kill him before someone reveals you as scum. Although this logic is flawed as everbody would blame you if Claw flipped blue. Or you are playing a huge mindgame and already calculated that possibility? God, this is just soo confusing ... | ||
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On May 03 2012 05:44 paschl wrote: I feel like either nobody is reading my posts or im going crazy. And fwiw this isnt posting much. I usually play 7/2 turbos and a day in those seldomly goes below 100 posts. Were here on a 2 day day1 and we made what? 200 posts? Which post are you referring to Paschl? | ||
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I still believe that no lynch won't do us any good. As of now I am leaning towards voting on Claw. Gummys tactic is simply suicidal if Claw flips and doesn't turn out to be scum. I thought about it and simply can't believe that scum would risk that much just to get someone who claims to be medic and whom most of us are unsure about. Please reconsider your votes guys. ##Vote: Clawtrocity | ||
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On May 04 2012 04:47 paschl wrote: And since we went no lynch day1 we need another no lynch somewhere down the line unless we sweep it. Could you explain that Paschl? Why would we need another no lynch? | ||
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On April 28 2012 04:20 Mattchew wrote: Activity: You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. Or am I misunderstanding? | ||
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I didn't see that coming.@Tofu: On May 04 2012 15:20 FirmTofu wrote: Ange seems like a very likely suspect for mafia. She was actively criticized by DeMorcef and seems to be the person who would gain the most from his death. It's hard to be sure, but that's where we stand as of now. I already explained DeMorcerf's concerns earlier. In my second post I claimed townie as I assumed that this is the way this game is played. That does not prevent me from saying that it does not make any sense to me. If roleclaiming on day 1 while denying it's usefulness makes me scummy, this rule would have to be applied to Claw as well, as he claims his role while critizising this strategy. On May 01 2012 09:24 Clawtrocity wrote: I don't really understand the point behind forcing a role claim. Everyone will claim vanilla townie because that's the most common role and it's completely unprovable. It doesn't hide any roles because if everyone claims vanilla townie then everyone is up for attack. I'll go ahead and say that I don't like that strategy, but regardless I'll give actions a real role to claim. With the possibility of a jailkeeper or another Medic I'm fine in saying that I'm one of the medics. I still believe that we would have done better with a lynch on day 1. This kill does not give us much information. While you could say, that Aces and I are suspicious because DeMorcerfs had his doubts about us (which would be just stupid as people might suspect us) , I could also say that it's suspicious that none of the blue role claimers got killed. There could be one scum hidden in between them who by not breaking up this triangle could stay alive for a long time. I could also say that Paschl and dahdum tried to set Aces and me up by killing DeMorcerf just after he criticized us. Just to be clear, I am not actively pursuing any of these theorys. I just want to point out that there are tons of possibilties and each of them is as likely as the others. After being somehow "fooled" by Gummy's theory who I believe has some explaing to do, I need to reconsider all of this first. | ||
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[B]On May 05 2012 15:16 FirmTofu wrote:[/B I'm fairly confident that Ange777 is scum after reading her reply to my accusations. Considering we don't have any other info to go on other than everything we had on day 1, I say we proceed with this lynch. #vote: Ange777 Would you mind explaining why? Feels like a random accusation to me right now. | ||
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As Gummy says the only way we get any real information is if we break up this triangle of Claw, Tofu and Gummy. Setting aside Tofu's detective claim leaves us with Claw and Gummy again! Just like day 1. So how to get out of this? Paschl, you suggested no lynch and hoping for the mafia to reveal the real medic. Although that might be possible, Mafia could also continue their strategy of confusing us and leaving us in the dark. They could just kill someone else they believe is townie. Of course they could risk getting checked but who says that this isn't a risk they are willing to take? Apparently they did take it on night 1. If they killed anyone other than Claw, Tofu and Gummy, we would be stuck again on day 3 with the same doubts about the real blue roles. Right now we have 6 townies, 2 mafia. If we go for a no lynch and mafia just aims for killing a random townie we will be 5 townies and 2 mafia on day 3 with no clue again. Of course Tofu might be able to reveal some information but if we are unlucky his check could target a townie, a framed townie or even the killed player of the night. I don't understand why we have to wait for another cycle to hope for more information if there is a way to get this information ourselves. Gummy, if you truly are the medic, which I am assuming right now, than please stop this nonsense vote for yourself. Even if mafia decides to kill you in the next night, you suiciding right now is not helping at all. If we lynched you, you fliped medic, than mafia is safe to kill Tofu. If on the other hand we lynched Claw, he flips not medic, than mafia still has to kill you to be sure that they won't waste a kill on Tofu because the medic is still out there. Which would give us hopefully one more night of checking. Therefore ##Vote: Clawtrocity | ||
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Why even push for a Claw lynch if you are going to back out last second? You claimed you are not protecting him and yet you switched your vote. You claimed he is scum yet you are posting about lynching an innocent townie. | ||
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On May 06 2012 09:28 FirmTofu wrote: Unfortunately, if we are to assume Gummy lied about his medic role, that means we have another medic in play. Ok, technically it could be possible that we don't have a medic right? Would it be likely? | ||
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It's not being wrong about you but being wrong about the next lynch that would make us lose. Even without Tofu confirming you mafia, your word is the least credible. ##Vote: Gummy My guess for the last mafia is Aces or Dahdum as well. Having Gummy very actively trying to confuse town and the other mafia member somehow lurking and hidden seems like a good strategy. Tofu and Paschl are both too active and pro town for that. I suggest Tofu to check Aces or Dahdum the following night. None of them were very active in this game so it's hard to guess. I'll check their filter later once more. If Tofu can get the crucial bit of information there will be a good chance for us to win this game. | ||
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During both day 1 and day 2 you strongly push for a Claw lynch. Right before the lynch you switch your vote. You explain this by analyzing his good-bye post to be town. I can explain this by saying that having him flip town would prove you wrong and scummy which you wanted to prevent. You were so sure that we would not get all 5 votes together that you pushed very hard for this case so you'd look like a very pro town player. During night 2 you claim mafia explaining that you want mafia to be convinced that we will lynch you the following day. Well I can explain you claimed mafia in order to fool us into believing your theory. Same logic. Now on day 3 you have already voted dahdum, voted Tofu, suspected Paschl, suspected me. You sure you don't want to vote for Aces as well or at least suspect him? On May 06 2012 02:46 Gummy wrote: Illogical, trolly, or generally scummy behavior should be taken as an indicator of being scum. Your behaviour fits all three of them so yeah, you are scum. Besides, there is Tofu's check on you confirming you mafia. Lynching you leaves us with 4 townies - 1 mafia. After night we will still have 3 townies - 1 mafia, of course there will be an additional lynch. | ||
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I wasn't even sure that Tofu would check Gummy instead was afraid I'd get checked that night. Surprisingly it worked. I would love some advice on my play. Thanks! | ||
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