Newbie Mini XII - Page 9

On May 07 2012 21:19 Gummy wrote:
If anybody is hesitant about "WHAT IF WE LYNCH THE DETECTIVE" just remember that at this point in the game all mislynches are equivalent. If we happen to lynch the detective, the detective being a townie, we lose just the same as if we lynched any other innocent townie.

On May 07 2012 20:45 Ange777 wrote:
@Gummy:
It's not being wrong about you but being wrong about the next lynch that would make us lose. Even without Tofu confirming you mafia, your word is the least credible.

##Vote: Gummy

My guess for the last mafia is Aces or Dahdum as well. Having Gummy very actively trying to confuse town and the other mafia member somehow lurking and hidden seems like a good strategy. Tofu and Paschl are both too active and pro town for that.

I suggest Tofu to check Aces or Dahdum the following night. None of them were very active in this game so it's hard to guess. I'll check their filter later once more. If Tofu can get the crucial bit of information there will be a good chance for us to win this game.

On May 08 2012 02:16 Ange777 wrote:
@Gummy:
During both day 1 and day 2 you strongly push for a Claw lynch. Right before the lynch you switch your vote. You explain this by analyzing his good-bye post to be town. I can explain this by saying that having him flip town would prove you wrong and scummy which you wanted to prevent. You were so sure that we would not get all 5 votes together that you pushed very hard for this case so you'd look like a very pro town player.

During night 2 you claim mafia explaining that you want mafia to be convinced that we will lynch you the following day. Well I can explain you claimed mafia in order to fool us into believing your theory. Same logic.

Now on day 3 you have already voted dahdum, voted Tofu, suspected Paschl, suspected me. You sure you don't want to vote for Aces as well or at least suspect him?



Your behaviour fits all three of them so yeah, you are scum. Besides, there is Tofu's check on you confirming you mafia.

Lynching you leaves us with 4 townies - 1 mafia. After night we will still have 3 townies - 1 mafia, of course there will be an additional lynch.

On May 08 2012 02:16 Ange777 wrote:
@Gummy:
During both day 1 and day 2 you strongly push for a Claw lynch. Yes, and for good reason Right before the lynch you switch your vote. You explain this by analyzing his good-bye post to be town. Read his good-bye post one more time if you don't think that's good enough reason to risk the no-lynch

I can explain this by saying that having him flip town would prove you wrong and scummy which you wanted to prevent. The only thing that would prove me wrong or scummy is if he flipped medic. My case was that either he was scum, or that he was playing in such a way that would be hurting the town. It turned out, unfortunately for us, to be the latter. You were so sure that we would not get all 5 votes together that you pushed very hard for this case so you'd look like a very pro town player. If I were Mafia, as Tofu and Ange are, I would be all in favor of getting rid of the innocent townie. Even better if it's a medic. I could say the same thing I'm saying to you now and just say "I wasn't online for his last post." But since I did not do that, you should take it to mean that I really did believe in his innocence and wanted to protect him for the sake of the town. This is called the intuitive criterion.

During night 2 you claim mafia explaining that you want mafia to be convinced that we will lynch you the following day. Well I can explain you claimed mafia in order to fool us into believing your theory. Same logic. Of course it is. I wanted you to think, as you now do, that you have a clear and simple path to victory. If you got rid of a vanilla townie during the night and then used my apparent confession to lynch me during the day, the game would be the scum's. You two have basically revealed yourselves to be scum based on the apparent desperation and heavy rhetoric in your arguments, but I'm not really sure you care anymore since you have the votes you need to win, x_x.

Now on day 3 you have already voted dahdum, voted Tofu, suspected Paschl, suspected me. You sure you don't want to vote for Aces as well or at least suspect him? My vote was on dahdum, before I refreshed the page and noticed Firm's accusation of me based on an alleged read (the first time I thought he was blindly echoing paschl's vote). Once I noticed he was lying about his read, and could not come up with a justifiable townsperson's rationale for lying about the read, I concluded that he must be Mafia. My accusation of you, ange, is based on your echoing his sentiment in this post, again, without any real substance. Furthermore, you posted after Claw's goodbye vote, yet you did not retract your vote as I did.



Your behaviour fits all three of them so yeah, you are scum. Besides, there is Tofu's check on you confirming you mafia. Night play is a very different beast from day play. I pretended to be scum so as to have one last chance to make the case that I'm making before the town today, with the egocentric mentality that I would notice something that the inactive townies might not.

Lynching you leaves us with 4 townies - 1 mafia. After night we will still have 3 townies - 1 mafia, of course there will be an additional lynch. Seeing as I'm the medic, lynching me makes it 3 townies - 2 mafia. Tonight, you win, ange!

On May 08 2012 03:20 Gummy wrote:
Look here's my take on it:

Let's assume for a moment that Tofu is detective and Ange is a VT voting either of them off would result in a loss for the town.

That said, we should be voting ENTIRELY based on whoever is MOST LIKELY to be mafia with no other consideration for what other roles they might be. Tofu has been lying about being detective (which can't help the townspeople) so he must be scum.

While I'm reasonably confident that Ange is scum, I'd rather not take the risk of reduced certainty for no benefit.

On May 08 2012 04:13 dahdum wrote:
As of now, I don't have any reason to suspect Tofu is lying. He outed himself after a double medic claim, assuming he would be protected (safe assumption) and has been forthright in his checks. I didn't like the Matriarch check but the check on Gummy is logical to me. There is only a chance of a framer + a chance they frame Gummy, and mafia/town alike will use that same defense, so playing the odds sounds right to me.

##Vote: Gummy