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Wow DeMorcerf killed  I didn't see that coming.
@Tofu:
On May 04 2012 15:20 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 05:17 DeMorcerf wrote:
Ange seems very inexperienced but at the same time his/her second post bothers me: ...
Ange seems like a very likely suspect for mafia. She was actively criticized by DeMorcef and seems to be the person who would gain the most from his death. It's hard to be sure, but that's where we stand as of now.
I already explained DeMorcerf's concerns earlier. In my second post I claimed townie as I assumed that this is the way this game is played. That does not prevent me from saying that it does not make any sense to me.
If roleclaiming on day 1 while denying it's usefulness makes me scummy, this rule would have to be applied to Claw as well, as he claims his role while critizising this strategy.
On May 01 2012 09:24 Clawtrocity wrote:
I don't really understand the point behind forcing a role claim. Everyone will claim vanilla townie because that's the most common role and it's completely unprovable. It doesn't hide any roles because if everyone claims vanilla townie then everyone is up for attack.
I'll go ahead and say that I don't like that strategy, but regardless I'll give actions a real role to claim. With the possibility of a jailkeeper or another Medic I'm fine in saying that I'm one of the medics.
I still believe that we would have done better with a lynch on day 1. This kill does not give us much information. While you could say, that Aces and I are suspicious because DeMorcerfs had his doubts about us (which would be just stupid as people might suspect us) , I could also say that it's suspicious that none of the blue role claimers got killed. There could be one scum hidden in between them who by not breaking up this triangle could stay alive for a long time. I could also say that Paschl and dahdum tried to set Aces and me up by killing DeMorcerf just after he criticized us.
Just to be clear, I am not actively pursuing any of these theorys. I just want to point out that there are tons of possibilties and each of them is as likely as the others. After being somehow "fooled" by Gummy's theory who I believe has some explaing to do, I need to reconsider all of this first.
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[B]On May 05 2012 15:16 FirmTofu wrote:[/B
I'm fairly confident that Ange777 is scum after reading her reply to my accusations. Considering we don't have any other info to go on other than everything we had on day 1, I say we proceed with this lynch.
#vote: Ange777
Would you mind explaining why? Feels like a random accusation to me right now.
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Gummy, reading your latest posts was like reading someone entirely different posting than on day 1. Why didn't you just play like this earlier?
As Gummy says the only way we get any real information is if we break up this triangle of Claw, Tofu and Gummy. Setting aside Tofu's detective claim leaves us with Claw and Gummy again! Just like day 1. So how to get out of this?
Paschl, you suggested no lynch and hoping for the mafia to reveal the real medic.
Although that might be possible, Mafia could also continue their strategy of confusing us and leaving us in the dark. They could just kill someone else they believe is townie. Of course they could risk getting checked but who says that this isn't a risk they are willing to take? Apparently they did take it on night 1. If they killed anyone other than Claw, Tofu and Gummy, we would be stuck again on day 3 with the same doubts about the real blue roles.
Right now we have 6 townies, 2 mafia. If we go for a no lynch and mafia just aims for killing a random townie we will be 5 townies and 2 mafia on day 3 with no clue again. Of course Tofu might be able to reveal some information but if we are unlucky his check could target a townie, a framed townie or even the killed player of the night.
I don't understand why we have to wait for another cycle to hope for more information if there is a way to get this information ourselves.
Gummy, if you truly are the medic, which I am assuming right now, than please stop this nonsense vote for yourself. Even if mafia decides to kill you in the next night, you suiciding right now is not helping at all. If we lynched you, you fliped medic, than mafia is safe to kill Tofu. If on the other hand we lynched Claw, he flips not medic, than mafia still has to kill you to be sure that they won't waste a kill on Tofu because the medic is still out there. Which would give us hopefully one more night of checking.
Therefore
##Vote: Clawtrocity
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@Paschl: Köln? Or Kaiserslautern? ^^ We from Frankfurt can't complain at all 
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Ok this is ridiculous Gummy. Do you want to explain yourself or should we just accept the fact that you're trolling us?
Why even push for a Claw lynch if you are going to back out last second? You claimed you are not protecting him and yet you switched your vote. You claimed he is scum yet you are posting about lynching an innocent townie.
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On May 06 2012 09:28 FirmTofu wrote:
Unfortunately, if we are to assume Gummy lied about his medic role, that means we have another medic in play.
Ok, technically it could be possible that we don't have a medic right? Would it be likely?
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@Gummy:
It's not being wrong about you but being wrong about the next lynch that would make us lose. Even without Tofu confirming you mafia, your word is the least credible.
##Vote: Gummy
My guess for the last mafia is Aces or Dahdum as well. Having Gummy very actively trying to confuse town and the other mafia member somehow lurking and hidden seems like a good strategy. Tofu and Paschl are both too active and pro town for that.
I suggest Tofu to check Aces or Dahdum the following night. None of them were very active in this game so it's hard to guess. I'll check their filter later once more. If Tofu can get the crucial bit of information there will be a good chance for us to win this game.
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@Gummy:
During both day 1 and day 2 you strongly push for a Claw lynch. Right before the lynch you switch your vote. You explain this by analyzing his good-bye post to be town. I can explain this by saying that having him flip town would prove you wrong and scummy which you wanted to prevent. You were so sure that we would not get all 5 votes together that you pushed very hard for this case so you'd look like a very pro town player.
During night 2 you claim mafia explaining that you want mafia to be convinced that we will lynch you the following day. Well I can explain you claimed mafia in order to fool us into believing your theory. Same logic.
Now on day 3 you have already voted dahdum, voted Tofu, suspected Paschl, suspected me. You sure you don't want to vote for Aces as well or at least suspect him?
On May 06 2012 02:46 Gummy wrote:
Illogical, trolly, or generally scummy behavior should be taken as an indicator of being scum.
Your behaviour fits all three of them so yeah, you are scum. Besides, there is Tofu's check on you confirming you mafia.
Lynching you leaves us with 4 townies - 1 mafia. After night we will still have 3 townies - 1 mafia, of course there will be an additional lynch.
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GG Guys 
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I don't know. I guess town really just had detective and medic as blue roles. Maybe we will get the setup later?
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But actually you should thank Gummy. He made it so much easier
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But isn't the setup chosen randomly?
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Yeah, there was a lot of inactivity and very little scum hunting which made this game quite easy for dahdum and me. But I don't want to complain
I wasn't even sure that Tofu would check Gummy instead was afraid I'd get checked that night. Surprisingly it worked.
I would love some advice on my play. Thanks!
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We were considering to kill Gummy night 2. But his play was controversial enough to get him lynched without this mafia claim so we then changed our minds. I actually didn't think that anyone of you would pay much attention to this mafia claim.
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Well this was my first game of forum mafia and I only played the Werewolf game twice with friends so I don't know much about common strategies.
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EPT
