EPTOn April 27 2012 21:01 Bluelightz wrote:
I'd really like someone to hydra with me
can't be too active in this game as im playing in WoF
I'd really like someone to hydra with me
can't be too active in this game as im playing in WoFHmmmm.....
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On April 27 2012 22:47 Kurumi wrote: Sadly I won't allow more hydras.  /in | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + just like i do in team fortress. | ||
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We are going to be polite in this game. We are going to vote at appropriate times. We are going to act in town's interest's using methods that are simple and explainable. And we are going to destroy red. | ||
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Why did i just read all of that? That was nonsense. My updated thoughts: Why did i just read all of that? That was nonsense. + the new stuff is nonsense too | ||
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You have't done anything of worth with any of your posts, you are posting one-liners here and there to put pressure on people. voting for BM and ken (in this thread) was basically a waste of time and yet you follow up on it by saying that you are tying to help "out our blue roles". This is a rather poor way to post since if any player that roll blue is likely to at least think about using their role and any player that can use the search function or even just reach the TL mafia homepage should be able to acess guides which render your advice worthless. You also try to push a scumsclip which is somewhere between foolish and misleading to town. You also write "for people who think that i am just spamming" which implies that you think you are spamming. And yet you continue to do so. | ||
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On May 04 2012 02:24 Mementoss wrote: And posting how every post and action is worthless is just as helpful? Lol. If you read my posts I wasn't pushing a scum slip. I was stating that the idea of these "scumslips" aren't indicative of some bodies role. And although they can be useful in some situations at the moment, its probably just someone who has played plenty of games where blue = power role, green = vanilla, red = scum, and it was most likely just a auto-reaction by blubb. Why are you being so presumptuous? I never claimed to be making a contribution. It was my way of expressing my disappointment in each and every one of you. | ||
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I think killing something awesome could be a good move. If we still have no candidates when i get up then i think we should just lynch BM. | ||
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You first post is totally unsubstantiated. You were asked by multiple player to explain you second post but your explanation is very weak Answering for others IMO is super scummy because it means you know what they are thinking and what their motivations are, aka what alignment they are. Even though townies answer questions addressed to others all of the time. Why would you try to analyse the contents of that quote? How on earth could saying "Me is hardcore BLU" have any relation to that players alignment? @ Mementoss i am listening to a song called "no brains" since we still have no real candidate ##vote Bill Murray reasons: anti-town when town anti-town when scum lurks a lot when he is active he is disruptive This is a policy lynch. | ||
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That is not a valid defence and there is no reason to make it. | ||
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Mementoss either did not read the OP or was rolefishing like a buffoon. He is town and should not be up for lynch ever! Good job guys! On May 05 2012 02:41 Mementoss wrote: Shit I thought might get you to claim scum BLU Pyro Tracker -BLU Pyro nowadays was hiding from people, but that's because he was learning the art of tracking. After his hard training he's confident in his abilities.- Can check who player visits every night. RED Pyro 0.5KP Vigilante -The Engineer still doesn't know how to translate what Pyro's saying, besides "SPY!", so You know... Can't quote anything good.- Might deal 0.5KP damage to player of choice. One owns the KP, not the entire team. | ||
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killing a player that will be a detriment to town for the remainder of the game Vs lynching an active poster that is overreacting to pressure whose posting should improve because they are clearly putting in effort under the pretext of gaining information day1 Everything we do "generates information". We should not pursue an inferior course of action because it will give us "information". If you are considering doing something for information then ask yourself whether of not the information you expect to gain will be of any worth. If we lynch grush we might get a few more polarised opinions about whether we should kill him and that is not worth much. | ||
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This is the best way to use the lynch. | ||
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And there was no reason to comment on blub. That discussion was about something very minor with little relevance to anything On May 05 2012 03:06 layabout wrote: Day1: killing a player that will be a detriment to town for the remainder of the game Vs lynching an "active poster that is overreacting to pressure whose posting should improve because they are clearly putting in effort" under the pretext of gaining information day1 Everything we do "generates information". We should not pursue an inferior course of action because it will give us "information". If you are considering doing something for information then ask yourself whether of not the information you expect to gain will be of any worth. If we lynch grush we might get a few more polarised opinions about whether we should kill him and that is not worth much. the second bit is about grush.. | ||
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I do not think we should lynch katina. Do other people think that this is BS? On May 05 2012 04:46 SomethingAwesome wrote: I don't really like layabout much. His inconsistency and lacking response to why his policy lynch is now a good option compared to earlier. The generic first post as pointed out by myself and better pointed out by DoYouHas. If he want to kill us why not vote us instead of steering town towards a werd policy lynch on BM. (I'm not defending BM. Don't care if he live or die so far) ##Vote Layabout //Dirk | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:06 slOosh wrote: Aside: Stop talking / referring to unfinished mafia games. layabout, any reason why its BM over Kenpachi or any other lurker? Looking over katina right now because i have played more games with him | ||
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I don't really like layabout much i hope that this is your way of calling me scummy and not jsut saying that you have a personal dislike you me point 2 His inconsistency and lacking response to why his policy lynch is now a good option compared to earlier well for one thing i wrote this yesterday: I think killing something awesome could be a good move. If we still have no candidates when i get up then i think we should just lynch BM. time passed and no decent candidate emerged <------- the reason why it was a better option than it was at the very start of the day so i voted for BM point 3 The generic first post as pointed out by myself and better pointed out by DoYouHas You are just saying "because of what DYH said". However, his point was that my post was not addressing what was going on in the thread and he speculates that this is because i was not confortable posting about blubs play. That was not the case, i did not add more to that discussion because it was baseless, fruitless, pointless and made my left eye weep. see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591633 point 4 If he want to kill us why not vote us instead of steering town towards a werd policy lynch on BM. see point 2 | ||
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Katina Implies that the "blub scumslip affair" is stupid (it was) by implying that the accusations are rather hastily made (which further implies that they are poorly thought out) On May 03 2012 08:11 Katina wrote: Game just started honey. You are so quick to run to his defense... katina points out that BH is being a big drama queen. On May 03 2012 08:32 Katina wrote: Not contributing? The game started a couple hours ago.... There hasn't been time. Indirect? Last I checked I was pretty direct with SA. Katina points out that the game is hours old and that there has not been time to contribute in response to BH's vote on her for not contributing. On May 04 2012 05:05 Katina wrote: I like that. BH throws around empty accusations and you jump right on board with this. Looks like a case of something called "Sheeping" Don't worry, it's curable! BM has been not been his usual posting self lately. He likes to lurk when he is Mafia. He made a few brief posts early on then disappeared into La La land. So that is something to keep an eye on. I don't like the whole idea of all the vote switching that has been going on here. It's not helpful to the town and brings nothing but confusion and chaos to everyone else. I know it's only day one but at least try to have more than one sentence before getting voting happy. Criticises grush for sheeping a baseless vote. Points out how destructive the "lets all vote for no real reason" is and tells the perpetrators to stop. If Katrina does anything suspicious it is the way in which she puts attention on BM. She tells us that he tend to lurk when he is mafia that he posted earlier and is now lurking. He isn't lurking at the moment. Lurking is playing passively, posting infrequently or posting with consistently low content. BM is inactive in this game since these are his only posts: + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote: I will extend the day and shorten the next night by one hour. Good luck and have fun. Nobody died yet. But don't worry. what On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote: extended days?! hurray! Both of which of from the very beginning of the game | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [The Answer] + that you are not very scummy or that you are town | ||
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Look how weak the cases are Look how easily the 5 player scumteam could swing the vote See how unlikely we are to hit mafia Lynch a player that will be anti town either way. Vote BillMurray | ||
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why did you arrive at this late hour agree with me that we should lynch BM and then place your vote on sinani who currently has no votes? we need to consolidate out votes. | ||
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BM has also posted in another game since his last post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&user=54241 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=54241¤tpage=4 so we know he has been on the TL mafia sub-forum and chosen to not post. | ||
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Since "scummy" means that you think they "look like scum" the "scummiest playe"r must be the player that you "think looks the most like scum" and a solid scumread is a player that you think is scum. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:44 Kurumi wrote: Day 1 Katina -2 DoYouHas slOosh Nova_Terra 5 Mementoss Kenpachi Blazinghand slOosh Bill Murray Mementoss 2 Eiii Nova_Terra blubbdavid: 0 Katina: 0 grush57: 2 Sinensis froggynoddy Sinensis: 1 ghost_403 Palmar: 0 BillMurray 10 PaqMan layabout johnnywup grush57 marvellosity SomethingAwesome papapanda Palmar layabout BlackRaven blubbdavid l10f might not be in here, he will be saved because he pmed me 9he has finals) Day 1 ends at 22:00 GMT (+00:00), ~15 minutes from this post http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/SK.Testie On May 05 2012 06:48 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Nova_Terra On May 05 2012 06:51 slOosh wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Nova_Terra On May 05 2012 06:51 Bill Murray wrote: ##vote: nova_terra | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:57 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:44 Kurumi wrote: Day 1 Katina -2 DoYouHas slOosh Nova_Terra 5 Mementoss Kenpachi Blazinghand slOosh Bill Murray Mementoss 2 Eiii Nova_Terra blubbdavid: 0 Katina: 0 grush57: 2 Sinensis froggynoddy Sinensis: 1 ghost_403 Palmar: 0 BillMurray 10 PaqMan layabout johnnywup grush57 marvellosity SomethingAwesome papapanda Palmar layabout BlackRaven blubbdavid l10f might not be in here, he will be saved because he pmed me 9he has finals) Day 1 ends at 22:00 GMT (+00:00), ~15 minutes from this post http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/SK.Testie On May 05 2012 06:48 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Nova_Terra On May 05 2012 06:51 slOosh wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Nova_Terra On May 05 2012 06:51 Bill Murray wrote: ##vote: nova_terra well this is embarrassing... | ||
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On May 05 2012 07:04 Bill Murray wrote: well, layabout hopping on the lynch makes me really suspect him he would normally leave me around if he's town of my wagon, i would like you all to lynch layabout I am sick of leaving you around it has caused nothing but trouble | ||
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I think gonzaw posted a programme but i am not sure where. | ||
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On May 05 2012 07:38 blubbdavid wrote: food of chain manlots speedlots zealots . . . chargelots I will overthink the case of grush, Layabout is a better target anyway. why? | ||
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On May 05 2012 11:17 PaqMan wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 05:43 layabout wrote: Katina few posts have been critical of the disruptive play at the beginning, and acted to stamp out the bad. Katina Implies that the "blub scumslip affair" is stupid (it was) by implying that the accusations are rather hastily made (which further implies that they are poorly thought out) katina points out that BH is being a big drama queen. Katina points out that the game is hours old and that there has not been time to contribute in response to BH's vote on her for not contributing. Criticises grush for sheeping a baseless vote. Points out how destructive the "lets all vote for no real reason" is and tells the perpetrators to stop. If Katrina does anything suspicious it is the way in which she puts attention on BM. She tells us that he tend to lurk when he is mafia that he posted earlier and is now lurking. He isn't lurking at the moment. Lurking is playing passively, posting infrequently or posting with consistently low content. BM is inactive in this game since these are his only posts: + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote: I will extend the day and shorten the next night by one hour. Good luck and have fun. Nobody died yet. But don't worry. what and yet.... On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote: extended days?! hurray! Both of which of from the very beginning of the game Just curious, but what was the point of that post layabout? Nobody was discussing her so it seemed kind of random for you to make that analysis. On May 05 2012 05:15 slOosh wrote: Why is SA's post BS? And where does katina make posts indicative of intelligence and how does it show a town alignment? discussion of katina: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591170 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591786 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591832 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14592117 My post doesn't say why i thought she was town in fact i just wanted to say that her posts made sense and i didn't want to kill somebody that was making sense when there were so many players that weren't making sense or even playing the game. | ||
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But: How is " i think that a player is intelligent i don't think we should lynch them" a hard defence? Does giving evidence as to why you think they are intelligent when asked and then saying that you felt something they did something scummy constitute a hard defence? Why did layabout react to 2 votes on layabout when grush was in the lead with 5 votes with hours left and 13-ish players were yet to vote? @Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff". | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14611146 ghost that post was in responses to a question, i already said that in this post I pushed a policy lynch on BM because when you have nothing to go on in the thread and very little time left you either no-lynch or kill a lurker. Both of these moves are last resorts that you should not set out to do. At the start of the day you should not be pushing either a no-lynch or a policy lynch but when the day is fruitless, they become valid options. I have already explained why i wanted to kill him specifically. That is all there was to to it. Regarding this BH is criticising a "hard defense of Katina" which i have already adressed. This is actually the reason I shot Palmar-- he wasn't acting like the typical active town Palmar. But why doesn't layabout write this right away? It seems to me that a TOWN layabout would try to explain himself before daybreak... after all, he'd be worried about being shot, right? See, this is what happened: layabout wanted to set up for a Palmar push D2. Palmar was acting weird for a town Palmar, and Layabout wanted to capitalize that by getting him lynched D2 based on Meta. This is scummy. In fact, this is scummy enough that we should lynch layabout. BH is also criticising me for saying that we should kill the player that he decided to shoot. BH is calling me scummy for saying that we should kill a scummy player. Not only is this contrived, but he is calling me scum for doing what we should all be doing as town. On May 06 2012 08:46 johnnywup wrote: I think it is condemning, scum over-reacts to things like that (at least i think, ive never actually played scum). Of course laya didn't know kat would be modkilled, which is why it is condemning. If we didn't know kat's flip, it wouldn't be bad for either of them. It's just a townie pushing his reads on another person he thinks is townie, right? Since kat flipped, no. I don't know, the flip makes me think laya is more scummy. At first i dismissed this point. Who is more likely to know if one of the mafia team is about to be modkilled? Members of the mafia team who can communicate privately and should know if their team mate is there (no) Members of town who can only see the thread and will have no idea who is watching the thread (yes) I don't see how me not knowing that katina would be modkilled implicates me in any way. As to me over-reacting, i do this because i have been mislynched on day 1 twice by 5 or 6 players when town had votes spread all over the place. In game of thrones mafia and in bastard mafia. It is in the interest's of every player to defend themselves and doing so is not scummy. have i missed anything? | ||
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On May 07 2012 03:10 SomethingAwesome wrote: I'm beginnging to like you Lay. Now find me scum! =) What do you think about blubb? I think he is fishy... here: On May 06 2012 19:50 blubbdavid wrote: I see, Blazinghand is switching cases so it looks like he doesn't sheep l10f. Well, jdup has made a good post regarding layabout's behaviour It took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled. This is a strange thing to assert when as a townie you do not know who scum are and if they thought that Katina was coming back or not. Also when he votes for me he emphasises that it is to get me to answer his question. On May 06 2012 20:32 blubbdavid wrote: layabout is scum. The question is: why would scum push BM? layabout was pushing BM so hard it was not even funny. Ok: layabaout, why were you so fucking desperate in pushing BM? till then, ##vote layabout + Show Spoiler + He begins by saying that i am scum. If he believes this then surely that should be the reason for his vote. By saying that he wants a response he gives himself a way to back out of pushing me. If he truly believes that i am scum then he would have no reason to do this. | ||
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On May 07 2012 03:28 Blazinghand wrote: False. I am criticizing you for saying we should kill Palmar, and not posting a case against him until 9 hours, after daybreak. Did you actually read my case? Yes, my criticism is based on HOW you did what you did, not what you did. Is it really typical layabout play to make a 1-sentence accusation halfway through the night then not follow up with a case until after daybreak? Cause I had some respect for your town play... Yesterday, between the hours of (UK time) 5pm and 1 am i was otherwise engaged.+ Show Spoiler + the FA cup final was on Now try think of a way to write that without it sounding lame. | ||
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So anyway, I'm going to vote for layabout. All the other accusations are good, but one thing most people are missing is that if we had lynched BM and the modkills hadn't happened, we'd be completely lost right now. Lynching a lurker who had done almost literally nothing because he 'might hurt town' gives us zero information. We'd all still be running around in the chaos of day one on day two if kat/206 hadn't fucked up. Between that and the kat defense, I'm throwing my vote on him. If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one. Eiii, are you saying that we shouldn't lynch players that lurk because we gain very little information? You are aware of the fact that in the last 24 hours there have been about 100 posts from the 18 players still alive? And that half of the thread are lurking? And that both of the scum players that flipped were lurkers? + Show Spoiler + speaking of lurkers i would not have expected Johnnywub to be one, he usually posts a lot and shares mosts of his thoughts You are reiterating a weak point ("kat defence") and saying that you should lynch me for the sake of "information". The link between myself and marvellosity that you are trying to create is weak. You fail to say what to do when i flip town. I cannot think of a worse reason to vote for me. | ||
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is this a serious post? On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:25 Nova_Terra wrote: Scumslip, like scum means that you know im not scum and therefore you are scum Seriously though, i know. its impossible to defend myself though, as the biggest case seems to be that im lurking and not contributing. I havent had the time to post in the way i normally would or even make a filter based case. But you have time to tell us that you don't have time to post? | ||
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On May 07 2012 04:55 Eiii wrote: zzzzz We should *kill* the lurkers by some means. We have ways of killing that isn't a lynch! Ideally we'd shoot all the lurkers and lynch people who took scummy positions[1]. Maximum information (which is a good thing, no matter how you spin it)! That's not always possible, though-- but to lynch a lurker day one when we had a handful of lynch candidates actually puts the town behind. Really, ask yourself. If BM had been the only death day one, where would we be right now?[2] What? No, I don't think you should be lynched for information at all[3]. You should be lynched for pushing BM day one, which accomplished nothing[4], together with your questionable defense of kat when it wasn't clear that he'd be modkilled,[5] like several other people have pointed out before me. The part about marvel isn't an accusation, just an observation that'll come into play if you flip red. [6]Since you're so interested in what my plan is if you flip green: I'll probably say 'darn' and apologize for voting for the wrong person. And you'll be dead. I'm willing to take that chance, though! You are full of crap [1]ways like what exactly? relying on the calimed vig in the hopes that we have an engineer and they picked refill ammo and life over doctor? relying on having a blu demoman that has placed bombs on the players we want, and then manages to get themselves killed? relying on red not having a medic that can counteract these night hits? The lynch is the most reliable way to kill players if we decide to. There are so many lurkers that we cannot grant them immunity from the lynch on the grounds that "our blues will deal with them" as you are doing. Would you have us ignore scummy players that are lurking and lynch elsewhere? If BM had been the only death 1 we would be in a similar position to most towns that ever were having mislynched a townie day 1. [2]The candidates we had when i opened the thread where grush57 5 votes and then a few people with 1-2 votes. The votes were spread out. I thought and still think that grush is town. Lynching a "lurker" was the best move we could have made+ Show Spoiler + Strictly speaking BM was an inactive. [3]??? Let's pretend that you didn't post this: If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one which describes the information gained from lynching me, after you emphasized the value of information.You want to kill me because i pushed a lynch that didn't give us much information. Boo fucking Hoo. That is not the point of a lynch. You lynch to kill scum. When you are desperate you might lynch a lurker (who has a chance of flipping scum) over player that are active or that you have town reads on. [4]He is dead isn't he? I got the lynch onto him, and i would do it again. I am also going to shamelessly hijack Palmar's reputation by pointing out that he supported a BM lynch and he flipped VanillaTown/Blu Team + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote: ##Vote Bill Murray [5]"questionable defense?" i think ghost summed it up here: Most of the argument against layabout comes from his "hard defense" of Katina. That's not a hard defense at all. Saying a rather good player is moderately intelligent and shouldn't be lynch so early in the game is just good play. *ghost tragically forgot this later on when other people suggested killing me. [6]You will weep tears and become the laughing stock of the entire forum! | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 05:45 papapanda wrote: You seem to want to only refer to the intelligent comment as the defense, but what about this one?: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14601216 | ||
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i will even get you started: contradiction: but no one has said a thing about the BM lynch. Because it was useless. You started a scummy lynch bandwagon day comment which has nothing to do with what i wrote: 'Player X is scummy and the best candidate we have for a lynch today-- but let's not lynch them! They're smart! Let's at least wait until later.' ...that's a perfectly reasonable, valid defense to you? ok. Eiii, are you saying that we shouldn't lynch players that lurk because we gain very little information? We should *kill* the lurkers by some means. We have ways of killing that isn't a lynch! Ideally we'd shoot all the lurkers and lynch people who took scummy positions. Maximum information (which is a good thing, no matter how you spin it)! That's not always possible, though-- but to lynch a lurker day one when we had a handful of lynch candidates actually puts the town behind. Really, ask yourself. If BM had been the only death day one, where would we be right now? so we should kill lurkers by means other than the lynch. You're deliberately misinterpreting what I said there. I never came anywhere close to saying we should grant lurkers immunity from being lynched, just that they're always the best option when they can easily be killed off in other ways and we can get more out of our lynch. Plus, lynches aren't the most reliable way to kill people by a long shot. With lynches, we have to deal with mafia influence in arguments and votes. With a vig? He just shoots whoever he wants and that person dies. Seems pretty reliable to me! whoever gets the most votes dies. always, the lynch kills people, whoever it targets dies It is reliable killing mechanism. Vig shots can be blocked by red & blue medics and engineers (medics), and red roleblockers(syies and blu heavies (veterans). An unreliable killing mechanism. What happened to 'let's lynch scum' then? When you're desperate for a lynch you find the scummiest player and you lynch them, you don't just redirect the lynch onto whoever's convenient. Since we had an awful chance of lynching scum (spread out votes, weak cases, limited discussion, nearly everyone was afk and the leading candidate looked green(blu)) I went into last resort mode and tried to get us to lynch BM. You then called me scummy for pushing a lynch that generated limited information, when the very concept of lynching for information has been agreed upon by this sites best regarded players as a bad town play that you can take advantage of as mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301748 + Show Spoiler + When the town is allowed to focus on one or two key topics at a time (without the same points being repeated over and over), then the town is in a strong place. Lack of doubt, inflammatory posting, and strong town leadership must be avoided. Here are some of the things mafia can do to steer the town in the wrong direction: Incite active or aggressive players to do the work for you. If you can get a player emotionally invested enough in one train of thought, they can likely cause the chaos you need without linking you directly to the bad atmosphere. If something goes wrong, the town will generally blame the most vocal and aggressive person, even if someone else was really behind the chaos. By letting other townies do the work for you, you allow them to take the fall when town realizes they were on the wrong track. guess i got carried away. The introduction is a bit hateful. I think i will just edit it slightly. | ||
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The number of players that make sense is far smaller than you appear to think it is. You should treasure the ones that do. Johnnywub: skim through his filter from Area 53 mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=99700 These are some of his comments (+1 from host) after the game. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 09:18 iGrok wrote: Johnny is probably town MVP. Matt is scum MVP. Also, well done by scum not to give up when St.Daniel got modkilled. On May 05 2012 09:06 johnnywup wrote: it was too late, i was away and it was 5:01. also fml i feel so shitty now. I had decent reads but I can't convey reads for shit. On May 05 2012 09:28 johnnywup wrote: im sorry i failed you town On May 05 2012 09:35 johnnywup wrote: bleh i feel so guilty for this game. if i conveyed my reads a little better or something i dont know but bleh On May 05 2012 09:41 johnnywup wrote: i thought you were scum mattchew and thats primarily because you allowed an ottox lynch with 2 confirmed scum. but no one listened to me so ugh On May 05 2012 09:49 johnnywup wrote: matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh The key things to note are that Johnny:
I see no signs of his town game so far. johnnywub is sitting back and watching the thread. When i called him out he instantly de-lurked, said nothing, and left. + Show Spoiler [Today's post's] + On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote: I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much. Also I don't want any gold stars. i looked at a filter, saw something odd, pointed it out. that's what all town should be doing. Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial On May 07 2012 04:52 johnnywup wrote: lol i love how NT says "it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd" while lurking himself  On May 07 2012 04:54 johnnywup wrote: i just noticed that from your post and thought it was interesting. i guess it is rehashing. I'm just agreeing that it's strange and scummy On May 07 2012 05:02 johnnywup wrote: Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [sorta related] + When i was scum i played tribes | ||
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On May 07 2012 10:32 Sinensis wrote: Can you not read? I'll read it for you. It means I don't like basing decisions on information outside of the game... but that having played with mattchew/D before lots of confrontational 1 liners seems normal for town play. I go on to say that I am null on him and that there are other priorities to consider first. BlackRaven (Drazerk and Hassybaby hydra) SomethingAwesome (Dirkzor and Mattchew hydra) ... | ||
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But my scum team is along the lines of Blubbdavid, johnnywub + _______ Blubbdaivd: He supported BM as a "good lynch candidate" for being a "scummy lurker". He expressed a willingness to swap to BM. But he did not. He was trying to support a BM lynch without commiting to it himself. + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2012 05:17 blubbdavid wrote: Yeah, and BM is also a very good lynch candidate. A better one than Palmar atm. Both are acting stereotypically lurking scum and spouting townscumie. what does the last bit mean? On May 04 2012 05:48 BlackRaven wrote: blubb why are you saying a guy who hasn't posted anything is a better target than a guy you think is scum? Especially after your previous comments He gets called out by the late BlackRaven.... :3 On May 05 2012 02:54 blubbdavid wrote: I am also willing to lynch BM if there's no majority on grush. But: What even more important is than lynching scum D1is obtaining information. A BM lynch wouldn't us give much info, assuming he is scum. I still want to see panda's take on grush before I set my vote in stone. And lol, there's no way BM is going to be modkilled. The key thing here is that he is holding off of voting for BM in favor of grush. On May 05 2012 05:55 blubbdavid wrote: I have a suspicion: What if BM is scum, but doesn't want to play/ doesn't have time, so he sacrifices himself for the other scum? After supporting a BM lynch he then casts suspicion on everybody voting for BM whilst still calling BM scum. What is strange about this is that he supposedly thinks that scum would sacrifice a team member because he might not have time, but he later goes on to call grush town for calling out the two mafia players who were modkilled because they did not have time to play. After supporting a BM lynch he does not in fact follow it with a vote, why? Because he thinks grush is scum. Now you might be thinking that he should have reasons for this. I was. But when i looked, i found very few. read through blubbdavids posts and try to finish this sentence using the things that blubbdavid says, "grush is scummy because...." + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote: papapanda, unable to even graps that he has a bit more time than just one day, ready to sacrifice me although there are better options like grush. Till now, I have have defended myself better than grush, but papanda is willing to forgive grush for his action because he could be a semi-lurker. Like SA pointed out, reading minds for others, especially at such an early stage of the game is scummy. Palmar: his play here compared to Liar Game Mafia is opposite. In one game he is interested and active, here, well... Two options: 1. He has no special role here and therefore immediately lost interest. 2. He is scum, scumming scum. (Note: he is sheeping Kenpachi here, whereas in the other game he is playing king lol) grush is without doubt the scummiest player here, putting up a strong (read:nonexistant) defense. ##vote grush57 "grush is scummy because.... he didnt defend himself?" "papaganda is scumbuddies with grush" he is addressing papaganda On May 03 2012 22:51 blubbdavid wrote: Please, I have written more than this. And no, I have never played with you before. And I am only one game ahead of grush. And I would wait for grush posting his defense. I know that in your mind you already decided to definitely lynch me. It will be fun to see how you will come to grushs rescue. calls them both scumbuddies with a lot of confidence but no reasons. On May 04 2012 03:39 blubbdavid wrote: I am still waiting for grush to be useful. But going through his filter in other games, my hopes will be smited. Palmar looks like a good lynch candidate too, because he 1) isn't townielike, 2) isn't making much sense 3) voted for me without reasoning. I assume we still have 24h+ for voting? "grush is scummy because....I am waiting for grush to be useful. I do not expect him to be useful having read his past games." @grush: being "funny" is not very townlike. Being townie is ssrious bisnes. grush is scummy because.... On May 04 2012 07:36 blubbdavid wrote: Papapanda, what is your opinion on the current situation of grush? On May 04 2012 06:45 blubbdavid wrote: Come on grush, you are not helping. Isn't townie #1 defense rule to NEVER associate with scum? ??? On May 04 2012 07:43 blubbdavid wrote: So you are forcing yourself into believing that I am scum? If you don't think that I am scum then leave it at that and do some proper hunting. grush is scummy because.... well actually it looks like blubbdavid is talking to somebody that he thinks is town, he just tells him to play better. On May 04 2012 19:31 blubbdavid wrote: I have no read on Nova, he is pretty neutral atm. And I will stop tunneling grush for the time being, maybe he will come up with something useful. Still, I would be interested in papapanda's opinion. And katina, do some scumhunting. What is your opinion on grush? For Blazinghand, I think that he is townie, he's pretty active and is even making sense somehow. BM is still lurking scum imo. "grush is scummy because...." Blubbdavid admits that he has been tunnelling grush and promises to back off. (before giving reasons) On May 05 2012 02:54 blubbdavid wrote: I am also willing to lynch BM if there's no majority on grush. But: What even more important is than lynching scum D1is obtaining information. A BM lynch wouldn't us give much info, assuming he is scum. I still want to see panda's take on grush before I set my vote in stone. And lol, there's no way BM is going to be modkilled. "i still want to lynch grush because.... but i might switch..." grush is scummy because.... On May 05 2012 04:53 blubbdavid wrote: But grush admitted scum, and yet you don't see him as lynchcandidate. grush is scummy because.... he said he was scum! and yet blubbdavids reaction to that was to back off grush... He tunnels grush relentlessly without backing it up. He acts as if he is mistaken in pushing grush and adresses grush as if he were town. But grush is where his vote ended up. ##vote Blubbdavid | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi On May 07 2012 13:19 PaqMan wrote: Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch. I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT? I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him. Hence this quote: His only post since D2 started. He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive). Also this gem: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote: ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience. He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT. ##Vote Kenpachi I'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure. was the best lynch to support? Why dont you have a look through here and tell me what you learn about kenpachi's play? Then address the cases on the people that should get lynched: Blubbdavid or Nova_Terra or might get mislynched: layabout. | ||
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On May 07 2012 22:07 froggynoddy wrote: EBWOP: was reading through blubb's and then NT's filter's, (NT's attack of him seems odd: did he explain wtf he meant by that?!?) as former being your vote and the latter having the most votes. I'd rather blub defended himself as it will give us more to work with but a lot of what you've said, Laya, seem to be a criticism of blubb's Day 1 vote logic, which as we all know is bound to be weak. Most of our votes were bound to be wrong, and all of our logic to be hugely flawed due to limited evidence. So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contracitory/scummy because we have limited information? | ||
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On May 07 2012 22:19 froggynoddy wrote: No, I'm saying that its less likely of being alignment indicative then actual thread activity at this point. But Kenpachi has been more "active" than froggnoddy, Eiii, l10f, ghost_403 johnnywub, grush, mementoss, sinensis and papaganda. He might not even have PC acess at the momnet | ||
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On May 07 2012 22:26 froggynoddy wrote: Ok, so... are you trying to show me that because he plays like this both as town and scum we should excuse untowny behaviour? I don't like that as an argument as untowny behaviour should always be punished. That being said I understand that perhaps this would be a better job for any vigs we have left. It just seems unlikely unless we do unless we have a pyro. I will keep reading through threads and see if anything convinces me. As I said, other than what I think about lynching into inactives, NT's weird post (see above post) and your hard defence on Katina seem like the strongest indications of scumminess imo. It was more of an "inactivity from a player that's always inactive is meaningless". There is also some merit to the notion that scum will try to lynch Kenpachi. It just seems unlikely unless we do unless we have a pyro I am not sure what you are trying to say but blue pyro's are trackers not not vigis. | ||
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Mostly to save my sweet blu ass. Partly because his primary goal so far has been to repeatedly tell us that he has reads that he doesn't want to share and he does not have enough time to write up or explain them. During the past 48 hours he has actively avoided saying anything relevant. That he came into the thread and voted for kenpachi demonstrates that he is not approaching the thread in the same way that the rest of us are. This leads me to believe he is either genuinely busy or mafia. This uncertainty is why i would rather we lynch Blubbdavid who i have far fewer doubts about. | ||
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On May 08 2012 04:54 blubbdavid wrote: Doesn't your accusation of me on the previous page rely heavily on semantics?[1]semantics. don't get lost in semantics. [2]nope, never reconsidered it, because his voting behaviour is not the only aspect of him. my suspicion on him is the sum of his posting, voting behaviour, general behaviour etc. You yourself have raised some very well points against layabout. But your suspicions against him somehow vanished miraculously. On May 08 2012 04:59 blubbdavid wrote: I think you are town. But I am really interested how your views on layabout changed. So his d2 play was good? Doesn't invalidate his d1 play. And god, he always had in mind to push me. Let's call out Eiii here a little bit, a little Nova_Terra pushing there, and boom, let's vote for blubbdavid. This is a false representation of my actions. Do you mind finding examples to back that up? You are starting to sound like a mad conspiracy theorist. | ||
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Again. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. | ||
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On May 09 2012 04:04 johnnywup wrote: Personally, I think I'm a bad lynch. But that's probably because I'm the one dying. marv's post on me is true, I'm usually more active than this. That's for a number of reasons I don't think are really relevant to the game. laya had a "sudo-FoS" on me, but I agree the non-commital-ness isn't settling. It could be looking for a weak townie (which I will admit I am this game) to lynch. But it could be me looking legitimately scummy. I can see both perspectives. But since a wagon is somewhat forming I'd like to ask you what you gain if I flip scum or town. If I flip scum, you have a dead scum, but no info regarding the other scum-members. If I flip town, you get nothing. Best case scenario, you kill a scum. Worst case scenario, you kill a vanilla townie. Killing a VT at this stage in the game isn't too bad so if push comes to shove and you're lynching me, go ahead. Town won't lose that much. But the thing is, you lose a lynch to a townie and scum gets another 2 kills. If my death confirms other suspicions I'd lynch myself. But as of now it doesn't. Not to mention I have no scum motivations for anything I've done, which albeit is little. I don't think you have any other reason to blame me as scum other than "unwillingness to post reads or post cases or be active". Which is all inherent in inactivity. I haven't been playing to my ability and I apologize. Bleh this is just a train of thoughts :/ If you are town then i am leaving. I am sick of playing with people that refuse to put in the effort. | ||
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I will try to share my important reads and i will respond to the case that Paqman has made. (you should be able to spot the errors if you try to look at it objectively.) You have no idea how pissed off i am that i choose BM as the policy lynch or that i complained about players not putting in effort, or that i said we shouldn't lynch katina or that the case i pushed Johnnywub and blubb given what has happened. | ||
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On May 09 2012 07:00 papapanda wrote: BH, I have made cases before against both marvellosity and layabout. For marvellosity, he hasn't been making further actions that link him to scum except his mention of Kepachi (dismiss-able) and maybe his hard defense for layabout (who is scum IMO). That said, layabout is the better lynch option because of his support of katina, kenpachi(kinda), and just his general lynch the easy guy attitude. Wish he would actually defend himself instead of telling me to go read the thread:< Your question was asking me to explain a post that i had already explained in another post after somebody else asked me to explain it. Of course i told you to go read the thread. You "question": http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14614175 "..layabout your defense is saying katina was talking sense.... Please further clarify your defense for me." From my posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591880 Katina has made posts indicative of intelligence. I do not think we should lynch katina. psst, Paq! look up How is " i think that a player is intelligent i don't think we should lynch them" a hard defence? Does giving evidence as to why you think they are intelligent when asked and then saying that you felt something they did something scummy constitute a hard defence? On May 06 2012 00:52 layabout wrote: discussion of katina: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591170 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591786 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591832 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14592117 My post doesn't say why i thought she was town in fact i just wanted to say that her posts made sense and i didn't want to kill somebody that was making sense when there were so many players that weren't making sense or even playing the game. The "defence" was literally: "I think this person is intelligent, let's not kill them day1" there was some evidence too as i was asked for it | ||
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On May 09 2012 08:22 PaqMan wrote: ebwop: throw in the fact that you were hard-defending your scumbuddy KP. Which is weird because the same reasons that you wanted BM lynched could have been applied to KP. Hence the "for fuck sake". | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:50 grush57 wrote: I don't think we should lynch katina or layabout or whoever posted the last couple pages with actual discussion. I say we either go for Bill Murray because he is lurking(though he may be inactive and will get modkilled) and he is Bill Murray, oar we go for sinai206 because of this: Uhh what? Also, I asked his thoughts on BH to which he never responded to. ##vote sinani206 He doesn't want to lynch me or katina because of posting with actual discussion. His defense of Katina in that one line amounts to about the same as my supposed "defence" but with less detail. On May 05 2012 05:51 grush57 wrote: Actually I agree layabout, I'll go BillMurray. He changes his vote because of my posts. On May 07 2012 02:00 grush57 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 00:22 ghost_403 wrote: I swear to God I'm not dead. Pretty close though. Linear algebra (the real stuff, not that stupid matrix multiplication stuff they teach you in grade school) is the most amazing and difficult subject I've ever studied. It's kicking my ass at the moment. Catching up on the thread, brb. How convenient you were done studying just after you got pressured. On May 07 2012 01:08 ghost_403 wrote: Alright! All caught up. @BH: My cat was probably not on fire. If he was, I wouldn't know. Gave him to my old roommate, and he moved to California. Hope the cat's okay. I'd better check. That said, you were completely right, being gone like this is against my meta, and I wouldn't blame you for shooting me tonight. I hope to convince you otherwise by actually being useful to the town. I'll make you a deal: I'll help you find the three scum in the game, then you can shoot me. Sound good? @somethingawesome: It's very strange that you ask me to make a case on Kenpachi. He's been flying under the radar for quite some time now, why did you bring it up out of the blue? To actually answer your question, this post is the only post of his I've read in this game that doesn't sound 100% kenpachi. I'm not sure what to make of it quite yet. That's not enough for me to think he's scum, but it's enough for me to keep an eye on him for a while. As far as the marv, layabout, NT scum team? Marv probably rolled scum. In my notes on him, I have that the first thing he did this game was push a BM policy lynch. As much as I dislike paying with BM (sorry bro), I despise policy lynching insane players. See any game I've been in. Pushing a policy lynch on someone like him is an excuse not to scum hunt, and he goes on my naughty list. In addition to that, he pushed a case on l10f based on two posts. Seriously? He's not here, that doesn't make him scum. Most of the argument against layabout comes from his "hard defense" of Katina. That's not a hard defense at all. Saying a rather good player is moderately intelligent and shouldn't be lynch so early in the game is just good play. Nova_Tera reacted rather poorly to kenpachi's case against him, which struck me as scummy. Not enough to lynch him quite yet, but eough that I would keep my eye on him. Of the three, I would most like to lynch Marv. Gold star to JDub for being the first person to call me out for not posting here in two or three days. Another person I find scummy is grush, who claimed that he called out Katina and Sinani for being scum during day 1. Postmortem bus? Wut? Also, fuck you, Panera Bread. I want more than 30 minutes of internet during my lunch. + Show Spoiler + Turkey sandwich and french onion soup today, very tasty. Okay first off, you blame marvellosity(the player I think is the least likely scum of those 3) for policy lynching. Layabout STARTED the policy lynch after saying policy lynches are bad to save his scum buddy katina(who he defended hard), which would of all worked out if katina didn't get modkiled. Yeah I did claim both of them day 1 it wasn't post day1, however Katina was just a random vote but sinani206 was legit. I do see how you want to lynch the person who claimed both of his buddies. So the 3 remaining scum are: Layabout ghost_403 ??? grush abandons his scum reads on hops onto blubb after i had posted my case and voted. even though i am his (top or second top?) scumread. How do i become his scumread? By starting the BM lynch (which he supported), by defending Katina (like he did) and.... well that's all he has to say on the matter. On May 08 2012 04:04 grush57 wrote: Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with blubb over nova, nova seems more like a bad town than scum much more than blubb.(Did that make sense?) Plus, blubb has a good case against him, the only good case so far in the whole game yet. ##vote: Blubbdavid ghost (his other scumread) later puts his vote on blubb. Judging by this post + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2012 05:01 grush57 wrote: LOL I expained more why I voted for blubb then you buddy. Though it must suck to vote off another of your kind hmm? grush is telling us that he thinks that this is a bus from both of his scumreads. In that situation there would be almost no need to bus because before my vote Nova_Terra was still be lynched and ghosts vote ensured the lynch would be on blubb. If grush is being honest with us about his reads then Grush's vote on blubb makes next to no sense. He opportunistically followed his scumread onto a late wagon and remained on it when his other scumread joined it. I will also point out that that is almost the entirity of the content he has provided in the last 5 days. Except that he thinks that layabout, ghost, Nova and papaganda are the 4/2 scum left. + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2012 06:47 grush57 wrote: However seeing I have mystical powers calling these things, I'm gonna go ahead and say layabout, ghost 403 are definite scum. On May 08 2012 06:57 grush57 wrote: Oh and probably papapanda too. On May 09 2012 04:40 grush57 wrote: Why you aren't you scum? Don't you like easy lynches? + Show Spoiler + apparently i have not been taking stances. So i going to round up this post by foolishly asserting that he is definitely scum and i am going to add red bold text so that you all know how serious i am | ||
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so my scumteam is in here: grush57 l10f Eiii papapanda | ||
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Are you saying that papaganda is town now? + Show Spoiler + i will give you a hint, it contains living players because the scum that we are looking for are still alive | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + That's right! It's papapanda! + Show Spoiler + Sorry | ||
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point#1 is not reasonable. It appears to me that you have expectations of me that you clearly do not have of others and that those expectations are not realistic ones. From the comments you make they would appear to be along these lines: 1. That a player should be voicing suspicions against a player for quite a period of time before posting a case and then voting. 2. That a player should be voicing all of the suspicions that they have I do not share all of my thoughts and suspicions with the thread. No one should. It results in too many cases being pushed, too many flimsy arguments being agonised over, and too many important points being missed. It would lead to chaos. Instead it is best to focus on a few players and have everyone talk about them. It helps to keep discussion relevant. And so i believe that the best thing to do as a townie is to focus on pushing one or maybe two players depending on your level of certainty. On day2 we knew that 3/18 players were mafia. I had 8 players that i felt were town. Of the remaining 12 i disregarded the players that i felt i couldn't read (kenpachi, ghost) and went from there. To me the scummiest of the remaining players were Johnnywub and Blubbdavid. So I am not sure what this is. It's sort of what i thought before posting, hopefully it will help you to understand my point of veiw. + Show Spoiler + You accuse me of jumping on blubb having not voiced suspicious of him. let's add some context: the vast majority of my posts occur in the evening for me and will nearly all lie in an 8 hour timeslot. So early day1 i felt was largely wasted and i was not enjoying going through lot's of posts about nothing. I returned to a divided and leaderless thread with what i viewed as a very small chance of lynching scum. So i tried to make the best of the situation and lynch BM (a lurker). I offered my opinion on what was being discussed. I began my posting on day 2 (not including the hurried message in the early hours of the morning) by addressing the points raised against me. Whilst reading through them i looked over a number of players including blubbdavid. Almost immediately after i posted my defence SA asked me for my thoughts on blubb so i shared what i was suspicious of. I do not explicitly say "this is scummy" but i do highlight things that are. After i seeing people cite reasons that i had already responded to and ask questions that were already answered and deliberately miss the point i grew frustrated. Angry, even. I looked at filters and what did i find? A bunch of inactives! Scoundrels that signed up and didn't really intend to play. People who offered little. People who offer almost nothing. People that are hard to analyse. But i made my scumreads. Johnnywub who was uncharacteristically watching the thread like a hawk but staying silent. And Blubbdavid who voted with questionable motivations. So after responding to the points raised against me i wrote up what i had on Johnnywub and went to sleep. I woke up to find that the thread had moved at a snails pace, Johnnywub had no votes and DoYouHas had a case on Blubb, the main point of which was that blubb was posting as if he knew that i was town. This i something that i had wondered at and questioned in thread having looked at another of blubb's posts. I think my point here is that i made the decisions to defend myself and to push my reads. I did not do so agressively but i tried to be objective. You are unfair to say that i say nothing at all or that i take no stance whatsoever. I actually say a hell of a lot more than other people have done before i place my vote (find your own examples) point 2 p1 well i wanted to kill him initially because his posts were spammy. After not much time i concluded that SA was town and i stopped talking about SA since there was nothing to say. p2 you retract. point 3 I feel that that post paints Johhny in a pretty damning light, and that his response to it painted him in a worse light. Maybe i should have added a vote or written that he is scum a few times for emphasis. I judged that my vote was likely to put a lot of people off of voting for Johnnywub, but that my analysis without a vote might be looked at a little more objectively. I also don't like voting halfway through the day but i prefer to vote towards the end when then has been more information available to aid my decision. point 4 kenpachi is pretty unreadable. Either you kill him of early, hope a vig shoots him or lynch him if you are sure that everyone else is town. He has a very anti-town playstyle. But lynching him is basically saying "i don't have any scumreads let's just kill this guy cus he is anti town. It's okay on day1 if your desperate. But past that you shouldn't be lynching him and pushing him over players that look scummy is somewhere between bad and anti-town since it is avoiding scumhunting. I would always call somebody out for a throwaway vote like that. point 5 BM wasn't even playing and i hope you understand why i tend to leave BM around (see point 4). So his comment is of little to no value. As for Blubb, well i did vote for him didn't i? what hurt me was that when he said that i posted my case against him while he was away, before posting i checked his post times and saw that he had been online at around the time i was posting. | ||
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As both alignments they consistently posts in a fashion that makes them incredibly difficult(perhaps impossible) to read. They tend to look scummy and are often pushed by town and mafia alike. But lynching any player like that is rarely correct since they do hardly anything that allow you to work out their alignment. It's okay to kill them day1 but past that it's basically a blind lynch. Why i am scummy for voting with a case? It is a common (and strong) play to build up evidence and present it when it amounts to something that is worth attention. You are holding me to a different standard than the rest of the players in the game and you are not being objective. It's also quite silly for you to stress the "your own read" bit. What i think you mean is that i pushed players that others had voiced suspicions about. Which makes sense when you consider the number of players in the game, the number of players that each player will announce suspicions of or push, the number of obvious townies that no one is going to push and the fact that players are more likely to push the scummiest few players in the game.+ Show Spoiler [blah blah blah] + For instance say there are 20 people alive. There is likely to beat least 6-10 players that look quite town, there will be yourself. Of the remaining 9-13 players you can expect maybe half a to look scummy whilst the rest will either be barely playing or hard to judge. + Show Spoiler + DYH posts his case against blubbdavid: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=45#898 SomethingAwesome reposts the case 3 times. It's obvious he supports the case, although he makes no comment in the thread of laying down his vote. 4 hours later layabout composes a weak case against blubb and a PbP analysis in which he narrates blubb's posts. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=46#905 Froggynoddy is the fourth to vote, but only after being pressured by layabout. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=46#917 johnnywup posts a one-liner to justify his vote on blubb. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=47#922 grush makes his vote next. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=47#926 followed by ghost, who gets into an argument with grush. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=47#940 And finally, Eiii sporadically makes a voteswitch onto blubb. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=49#966 As a further note this thread had 12 hours in which none of the 12 people "playing" posted. Good job!* + Show Spoiler + *this message may in fact be utterly sarcastic and is in fact trying to tell to you that you should stop signing up for games | ||
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Things that made me doubt that he is town: [list] [*]he has said that he thinks marv is scum and re-asserted that with very little supporting detail or support from other players. [*]he has shared very little of his reasoning with the thread. [*]he has reminded us that he is new. [*]he has told us that he is actively watching the thread yet he posts have been infrequent. [*]he seems to be looking at the game in a different way to the rest of us (and we know scum will view the thread differently) Things that make me think that he is town: His posts show that he is clearly thinking about the game. His posts contain for the most part, original points. He has gone against the thread at times and he is clearly thinking for himself. The fact that he changed his read on me also indicates townieness. The reason? Because he could very easily have stuck with calling me scum, if he got it wrong then he would have been one of the many people that agreed that i looked scummy and one of the first to say why. He would not come out badly from doing so. But instead he was able to see that i am town and has played accordingly. | ||
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He has a similar (pityful) post count to l10f but within it a different agenda is clear. I do not wish to re-start my argument with him but a quick glance show that whilst that was one of many posts from me. The argument with me was the thing that Eiii felt deserved the most time and effort. Then after making it clear that he thought i was scum (and arguing with me even though most of the guides here tell you not to argue with the person you are pushing as you do not need to convince them) he follows me onto blubb.* now his vote for blubb was strange and is one thing that makes him look like town as there was no real reason for him to switch as scum. The problem with this point is that mafia are aware of that and might deliberately do it + Show Spoiler + lets hope that if that is the case he will do as risen did and make a ton of promises and then follow them up with excuses casting aside any doubts that he was scum Look, if anybody is guilty of not scumhunting, trying to fit in and copying the opinions of others it's him. I am not sure that he is scum. But if he is town then he needs to pull his head out of his rear and start playing. | ||
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Mementoss marvellosity PaqMan Sinensis ghost_403 Nova_Terra Blazinghand froggynoddy the order means nothing, some of these i am sure are town whilst i have doubts about a few of them. | ||
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that is a thought of a man who is not mafia | ||
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I love that i have already seen that video. Since i have exams i will be gone for a while. Wish you all the best. Except for you inactives. Fuck inactives. | ||
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