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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On May 07 2012 06:13 PaqMan wrote:I'm taking my vote off NT for now. + Show Spoiler [I10f] +On May 07 2012 05:30 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 02:18 ghost_403 wrote:
I have a confession: I can't actually read. Summary of ghost's posts since he got back. Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 04:23 Eiii wrote:
l10f just jumps on the layabout train and posts a bunch of stuff that're basically exact copies of cases others have made before him (specifically Sinensis). Memetoss hasn't really changed much in my book-- it's worth noting that he copies sinensis' layabout case as well, though that seems less like a pretending-to-contribute thing and more like a jumping-on-the-bandwagon thing since his posts otherwise seem significant enough. For now, I don't want to lynch him anymore because yesterday's flips made some people look really bad (aka layabout).
On david vs panda: I dunno. Both have been pretty inconsequential this game from my perspective, so they'd be better to shoot if anything.
So anyway, I'm going to vote for layabout. All the other accusations are good, but one thing most people are missing is that if we had lynched BM and the modkills hadn't happened, we'd be completely lost right now. Lynching a lurker who had done almost literally nothing because he 'might hurt town' gives us zero information. We'd all still be running around in the chaos of day one on day two if kat/206 hadn't fucked up. Between that and the kat defense, I'm throwing my vote on him. If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one. OMG THESE BANDWAGONERS SUCK --> joins layabout bandwagon wat Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 04:55 Eiii wrote:
Since you're so interested in what my plan is if you flip green: I'll probably say 'darn' and apologize for voting for the wrong person. And you'll be dead. I'm willing to take that chance, though!
I like my chances better on you than layabout! And if you're green, darn, sorry! ##vote: Eiii Can you elaborate on this? Like, explain your vote more thoroughly?
His post just seems so scummy. he just points out some people looking like scum because they jumped on "bandwagons", then pretty much says yeah these people all look scummy, blah blah BUT I VOTE LAYABOUT. Then he proceeds to use information that layabout already made clear to attack layabout, when if he had actually read layabout's posts it would be clear that nothing happened so far condemns him nowhere near how he's posting right now.
Reply to your other post, if I had to pick another person besides Eiii and ghost, I'd probably pick johnny since all of his posts are stating facts about other players but never condemning them himself, like his posts on kenpachi and papa. Also he said he'd be a lot more active since his other game is over, proceeded to be useless, then blamed a game he was addicted to for not contributing much.
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
Oh also, it's L not i 10f
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Eiii, it seem like our lynch is just as effective as our vig shot; both died, both were vanilla depressed soldiers. layabout means vig shots might have a chance of being blocked by red-doctor(blue doctor too) and both are as easily affected by scum-fuence as the other.
At Paqman/layabout: layabout your defense is saying katina was talking sense, so even though DoYouHas came out with an analysis pointing katina as scum, you went with BM who wasn't making sense/playing the game?
"making sense" seems unclear to me as an explanation. Do you mean logical? not contradicting? knowing what's actually going on?
Most people are more or less logical. Anyone who is not would've been modkilled/lynched before BM.
Again, if one is contradicting in anyway, they will be lynched even before the illogical players.
No one really knows whats going on except the mafia in this game, especially in the early stages.
Layabout saying katina made sense is like saying raindrops are wet.
Please further clarify your defense for me.
Thanks.
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@papapanda,
The number of players that make sense is far smaller than you appear to think it is. You should treasure the ones that do.
Johnnywub:
skim through his filter from Area 53 mafia
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=99700
These are some of his comments (+1 from host) after the game.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 09:18 iGrok wrote:
Johnny is probably town MVP. Matt is scum MVP.
Also, well done by scum not to give up when St.Daniel got modkilled. On May 05 2012 09:06 johnnywup wrote:
it was too late, i was away and it was 5:01. also fml i feel so shitty now. I had decent reads but I can't convey reads for shit. On May 05 2012 09:28 johnnywup wrote:
im sorry i failed you town On May 05 2012 09:35 johnnywup wrote:
bleh i feel so guilty for this game. if i conveyed my reads a little better or something i dont know but bleh On May 05 2012 09:41 johnnywup wrote:
i thought you were scum mattchew and thats primarily because you allowed an ottox lynch with 2 confirmed scum. but no one listened to me so ugh On May 05 2012 09:49 johnnywup wrote:
matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh
The key things to note are that Johnny:
- Posts a lot, this does not necessarily mean that we should expect him to have a massive filter but he does put a lot of time, thought and energy into the game as town.
- He is concerned about communicating his ideas to others and convincing them
- He is working to improve his town game
- He feels like he owes town something
I see no signs of his town game so far.
johnnywub is sitting back and watching the thread. When i called him out he instantly de-lurked, said nothing, and left.
+ Show Spoiler [Today's post's] +On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote:
I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much.
Also I don't want any gold stars. i looked at a filter, saw something odd, pointed it out. that's what all town should be doing. Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial On May 07 2012 04:52 johnnywup wrote:lol i love how NT says "it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd" while lurking himself  On May 07 2012 04:54 johnnywup wrote:
i just noticed that from your post and thought it was interesting. i guess it is rehashing. I'm just agreeing that it's strange and scummy On May 07 2012 05:02 johnnywup wrote:
Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o
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Like I said, I've been super addicted to this 999 game and I'll be putting a LOT more time into this game. I've been alt tabbing and reading what's going on, to keep up (I guess you can call that lurking but I've just been wanting to get all 6 endings to this game asap, but i'll town it down and be more active in thread now that I see it's an issue). If you don't believe me, fine. I don't care. It's the truth. And so, I'll be posting more now, since people are thinking I'm scummy and lurky :u
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On May 07 2012 10:06 johnnywup wrote:
Like I said, I've been super addicted to this 999 game and I'll be putting a LOT more time into this game. I've been alt tabbing and reading what's going on, to keep up (I guess you can call that lurking but I've just been wanting to get all 6 endings to this game asap, but i'll town it down and be more active in thread now that I see it's an issue). If you don't believe me, fine. I don't care. It's the truth. And so, I'll be posting more now, since people are thinking I'm scummy and lurky :u
Play mafia or I spoil everything on this thread >:D
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Yeah, I'm watching. I guess you could say I'm not playing, or lurking, or whatever. But what I said is the truth. I'm a townie and I've just been super into a game. Anyways I'll make it up to you guys by playing much more from now on.
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On May 07 2012 10:11 johnnywup wrote:
Yeah, I'm watching. I guess you could say I'm not playing, or lurking, or whatever. But what I said is the truth. I'm a townie and I've just been super into a game. Anyways I'll make it up to you guys by playing much more from now on.
Assuming you are town, take a moment to contemplate how your actions appear. Prolongued silence is just a terrible idea, not just for your own survival, but that of the town. If you're readying the thread and gather ideas, some of those should be shared. If you are somehow not intentionally derping us up here, consider that we need every head we can get to finger the scum, to mix our metaphors.
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On May 07 2012 05:55 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 05:44 Sinensis wrote:
PacMan why do you keep asking me for my reads I have already posted them. Go read my filter instead of quoting yourself over and over again. I did read your filter and your only FoS so far is on layabout. And please explain this: Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 06:18 Sinensis wrote:On May 06 2012 05:44 PaqMan wrote:I don't like BlackRaven's posting. He has only two posts that are of any sort of significance. + Show Spoiler [BR's two significant posts] +On May 04 2012 03:51 BlackRaven wrote:Cool, lets's go Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:47 DoYouHas wrote:
Palmar's confrontational and empty 1 liners make it impossible to get a read on him. (anti-town) He is shutting down conversation instead of fostering it. (anti-town) I have no interest in keeping someone around who I won't be able to get a handle on and who I think is hurting the town.
##Vote: Palmar Firstly, confrontational and empty is an oxymoron in Mafia. Confrontation brings discussion. Discussion good. Discussion not make posts empty. Secondly, not having a read on someone does not make him anti-town. It makes him just another player in the game. It sure as hell isn't a reason to vote him. Thirdly.....well see the first point about your second one. He got you talking didn't he? :3 All this post achieves is soft-defending Palmar and nothing moreOn May 04 2012 03:53 BlackRaven wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 03:47 DoYouHas wrote:On May 04 2012 03:42 BlackRaven wrote:On May 04 2012 03:30 DoYouHas wrote:
Oh, and btw. You are defending Palmar by attacking the person going after him. You discredit me and Palmar no longer has a need to respond. This is wrong - D How is fitting the definition of a chainsaw defense wrong? If a player ever uses a chainsaw defence as an actual defence they are scum there is no leeway about it and its bad play all around. People should never use other peoples arguments to make them appear either townie or scum its just bad play and they deserve to be lynched if they do so. Me and Hassy both still expect things from Palmar at some stage we just both dislike you at the moment. -D This entire post is just an altercation with DYH and contributes nothing of value except for the fact that BR doesn't like DYH. BR's entire filter literally contains nothing more than pointless one-liners. The only thing he's done is ask other people questions and make comments to the side that add no value to discussion. He doesn't make any scumreads nor does he form serious opinions on people. And his D1 vote: On May 05 2012 03:22 BlackRaven wrote:
You know I liked layabout at the start but now he is probably going to cause more harm than if I was a medic...
##Vote: layabout
-D
goes without any sort of good explanation besides "I like him, now I don't." I see him as a possible lynch candidate if he doesn't pick it up and he's earned my FoS I don't like basing decisions on meta, but I can say having played with BlackRaven in the past... lots of confrontational 1 liners is par for the course for his town play. I am null on him at the moment and I believe there are better targets at the moment.
Can you not read? I'll read it for you.
It means I don't like basing decisions on information outside of the game... but that having played with mattchew/D before lots of confrontational 1 liners seems normal for town play. I go on to say that I am null on him and that there are other priorities to consider first.
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On May 07 2012 10:32 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 05:55 PaqMan wrote:On May 07 2012 05:44 Sinensis wrote:
PacMan why do you keep asking me for my reads I have already posted them. Go read my filter instead of quoting yourself over and over again. I did read your filter and your only FoS so far is on layabout. And please explain this: On May 06 2012 06:18 Sinensis wrote:On May 06 2012 05:44 PaqMan wrote:I don't like BlackRaven's posting. He has only two posts that are of any sort of significance. + Show Spoiler [BR's two significant posts] +On May 04 2012 03:51 BlackRaven wrote:Cool, lets's go Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:47 DoYouHas wrote:
Palmar's confrontational and empty 1 liners make it impossible to get a read on him. (anti-town) He is shutting down conversation instead of fostering it. (anti-town) I have no interest in keeping someone around who I won't be able to get a handle on and who I think is hurting the town.
##Vote: Palmar Firstly, confrontational and empty is an oxymoron in Mafia. Confrontation brings discussion. Discussion good. Discussion not make posts empty. Secondly, not having a read on someone does not make him anti-town. It makes him just another player in the game. It sure as hell isn't a reason to vote him. Thirdly.....well see the first point about your second one. He got you talking didn't he? :3 All this post achieves is soft-defending Palmar and nothing moreOn May 04 2012 03:53 BlackRaven wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 03:47 DoYouHas wrote:On May 04 2012 03:42 BlackRaven wrote:On May 04 2012 03:30 DoYouHas wrote:
Oh, and btw. You are defending Palmar by attacking the person going after him. You discredit me and Palmar no longer has a need to respond. This is wrong - D How is fitting the definition of a chainsaw defense wrong? If a player ever uses a chainsaw defence as an actual defence they are scum there is no leeway about it and its bad play all around. People should never use other peoples arguments to make them appear either townie or scum its just bad play and they deserve to be lynched if they do so. Me and Hassy both still expect things from Palmar at some stage we just both dislike you at the moment. -D This entire post is just an altercation with DYH and contributes nothing of value except for the fact that BR doesn't like DYH. BR's entire filter literally contains nothing more than pointless one-liners. The only thing he's done is ask other people questions and make comments to the side that add no value to discussion. He doesn't make any scumreads nor does he form serious opinions on people. And his D1 vote: On May 05 2012 03:22 BlackRaven wrote:
You know I liked layabout at the start but now he is probably going to cause more harm than if I was a medic...
##Vote: layabout
-D
goes without any sort of good explanation besides "I like him, now I don't." I see him as a possible lynch candidate if he doesn't pick it up and he's earned my FoS I don't like basing decisions on meta, but I can say having played with BlackRaven in the past... lots of confrontational 1 liners is par for the course for his town play. I am null on him at the moment and I believe there are better targets at the moment. Can you not read? I'll read it for you. It means I don't like basing decisions on information outside of the game... but that having played with mattchew/D before lots of confrontational 1 liners seems normal for town play. I go on to say that I am null on him and that there are other priorities to consider first.
BlackRaven (Drazerk and Hassybaby hydra)
SomethingAwesome (Dirkzor and Mattchew hydra)
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Oh sorry I got the hydra players mixed up. Disregard everything I said about BlackRaven.
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Well that was a fair bit to catch up on. I'm largely abandoning my case against PaqMan in favor of pushing blubb.
Here is a summary of my points against PM:
-His votes on Grush and BM were poorly justified.
-He went after slOosh both when he was correct about sinani and when he was correct about Katina.
-He repeatedly brought up BH's mistakes in past games which I think served to undermine the town leadership role BH was establishing.
-Starting with this post Katina seemed like a buzzword for PM. Mentioning Katina seems to draw more attention from PM than is warranted IMO.
Those were the highlights of why I find PM suspicious.
Right now it seems as if most of the focus is going onto layabout and NT.
Layabout earned the attention he garnered but at the same time I think he defended himself fairly well and is producing content. I'm not going to vote him unless someone produces a clean and convincing case or summary of previous cases against him. (I will admit that my thoughts regarding layabout have become a little muddled.)
NT is also deservedly under threat. His play style seems so far off of what I saw from his Godfather play in the newbie I cohosted. I expected fairly spammy play from him. I would not be upset with him being lynched today in spite of his promises of more activity in the near future.
Blubb I think deserves to be thrust back into the frontrunners for today's lynch. I intend to do just that with my next post.
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On May 07 2012 10:32 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 05:55 PaqMan wrote:On May 07 2012 05:44 Sinensis wrote:
PacMan why do you keep asking me for my reads I have already posted them. Go read my filter instead of quoting yourself over and over again. I did read your filter and your only FoS so far is on layabout. And please explain this: On May 06 2012 06:18 Sinensis wrote:On May 06 2012 05:44 PaqMan wrote:I don't like BlackRaven's posting. He has only two posts that are of any sort of significance. + Show Spoiler [BR's two significant posts] +On May 04 2012 03:51 BlackRaven wrote:Cool, lets's go Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:47 DoYouHas wrote:
Palmar's confrontational and empty 1 liners make it impossible to get a read on him. (anti-town) He is shutting down conversation instead of fostering it. (anti-town) I have no interest in keeping someone around who I won't be able to get a handle on and who I think is hurting the town.
##Vote: Palmar Firstly, confrontational and empty is an oxymoron in Mafia. Confrontation brings discussion. Discussion good. Discussion not make posts empty. Secondly, not having a read on someone does not make him anti-town. It makes him just another player in the game. It sure as hell isn't a reason to vote him. Thirdly.....well see the first point about your second one. He got you talking didn't he? :3 All this post achieves is soft-defending Palmar and nothing moreOn May 04 2012 03:53 BlackRaven wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 03:47 DoYouHas wrote:On May 04 2012 03:42 BlackRaven wrote:On May 04 2012 03:30 DoYouHas wrote:
Oh, and btw. You are defending Palmar by attacking the person going after him. You discredit me and Palmar no longer has a need to respond. This is wrong - D How is fitting the definition of a chainsaw defense wrong? If a player ever uses a chainsaw defence as an actual defence they are scum there is no leeway about it and its bad play all around. People should never use other peoples arguments to make them appear either townie or scum its just bad play and they deserve to be lynched if they do so. Me and Hassy both still expect things from Palmar at some stage we just both dislike you at the moment. -D This entire post is just an altercation with DYH and contributes nothing of value except for the fact that BR doesn't like DYH. BR's entire filter literally contains nothing more than pointless one-liners. The only thing he's done is ask other people questions and make comments to the side that add no value to discussion. He doesn't make any scumreads nor does he form serious opinions on people. And his D1 vote: On May 05 2012 03:22 BlackRaven wrote:
You know I liked layabout at the start but now he is probably going to cause more harm than if I was a medic...
##Vote: layabout
-D
goes without any sort of good explanation besides "I like him, now I don't." I see him as a possible lynch candidate if he doesn't pick it up and he's earned my FoS I don't like basing decisions on meta, but I can say having played with BlackRaven in the past... lots of confrontational 1 liners is par for the course for his town play. I am null on him at the moment and I believe there are better targets at the moment. Can you not read? I'll read it for you. It means I don't like basing decisions on information outside of the game... but that having played with mattchew/D before lots of confrontational 1 liners seems normal for town play. I go on to say that I am null on him and that there are other priorities to consider first.
I was curious as to how you could of played with BR in the past because he's a hydra and this is the only game played on that account.
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now that DYH brought up Blubb, this post caught my eye...it's a bit old but it's interesting.
On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote:
papapanda, unable to even graps that he has a bit more time than just one day, ready to sacrifice me although there are better options like grush.
Till now, I have have defended myself better than grush, but papanda is willing to forgive grush for his action because he could be a semi-lurker. Like SA pointed out, reading minds for others, especially at such an early stage of the game is scummy.
Palmar: his play here compared to Liar Game Mafia is opposite. In one game he is interested and active, here, well...
Two options:
1. He has no special role here and therefore immediately lost interest.
2. He is scum, scumming scum.
(Note: he is sheeping Kenpachi here, whereas in the other game he is playing king lol)
grush is without doubt the scummiest player here, putting up a strong (read:nonexistant) defense.
##vote grush57
PALMAR IS SCUM SO I'M VOTING GRUSH.
If we assume blubb is scum here, his actions don't really have a scum agenda. But they don't really have a town agenda either. I don't get it. I don't know if that's scummy or townie or not alignment telling at all but it's just weird. ESPECIALLY since palmar flipped town. Palmar flipping town means that if blubb is scum, grush is almost definitely town. But even that doesn't make much sense because blubb made a semi-case on palmar. I don't see an agenda from town or scum here, it's just "I think one person is scum so I'm gonna vote for some other guy that I also think is scum but didn't make a case on". It's just ... weird
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+ Show Spoiler [Addressing DYH's points] +On May 07 2012 10:59 DoYouHas wrote:
-His votes on Grush and BM were poorly justified.
apparently so was everyone else's. On May 07 2012 10:59 DoYouHas wrote:
-He went after slOosh both when he was correct about sinani and when he was correct about Katina.
That doesn't (or didn't) make him insta-town like everyone seemed to have thought. On May 07 2012 10:59 DoYouHas wrote:
-He repeatedly brought up BH's mistakes in past games which I think served to undermine the town leadership role BH was establishing.
I brought it up one time, which was to prove a point to SlOosh about him sheeping his vote. I had no intention to "undermine the town leadership" or whatever the hell you're talking about. On May 07 2012 10:59 DoYouHas wrote:-Starting with this post Katina seemed like a buzzword for PM. Mentioning Katina seems to draw more attention from PM than is warranted IMO. Exactly like I said earlier, I was curious because layabout made an analysis but didn't conclude with a read. And then I looked back and figured out why.
I don't like how big of a train that has started on NT, which is why I've taken my vote off.
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Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch.
I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT?
I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him.
Hence this quote:
On May 06 2012 07:11 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:Yeah, I shot Palmar. He looked like scum to me. I gave him the benefit of the doubt D1 but he didn't contribute and was silent, as scum Palmar tends to be. Here's my crumb: On May 06 2012 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Man this situation just makes me want to eat my own heart Type "eat heart of" into google search (but don't hit enter) and it'll suggest "eat heart of palm" Palm -> Palmar, my target. rofl are you kidding me
His only post since D2 started.
He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive).
Also this gem: + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote:ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
At the moment Nova looks the scummiest for reasons already expanded upon by others. The fact that so little of anything has occurred today makes Nova's stance that he doesn't want to air his tentative reads all the worse.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:53 marvellosity wrote:
Sold, I don't have a solid scumread on anyone and BM is just useless and anti-town no matter his alignment.
such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience.
He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT.
##Vote Kenpachi
I'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure.
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Blazinghand
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On May 07 2012 11:13 PaqMan wrote:
I don't like how big of a train that has started on NT, which is why I've taken my vote off.
On May 07 2012 13:19 PaqMan wrote:
Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch.
I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT?
I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him.
That's not sufficient reason to unvote, typically. What if NT is legitimately playing like some horribly scummy game?
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Blazinghand
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