Wheel of Fortune Mini Mafia - Page 5

On April 23 2012 12:39 Sbrubbles wrote:
Radfield, you are the one looking the most suspicious to me right now. On the Zentor/prplhz exchange, you defend Zentor, but agree with Forumite on Zentor's case on prplhz being weak:

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And now, you're indirectly accusing prplhz, even though there has been no case on him (besides Zentor's, which you implied was weak) and haven't made one of your own. What's up with that?

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Also, you were the first to offer to vote VE (without an actual explanation as to why), and waited until someone else appeared voting for him in order to actually cast your vote. Is this merely a coincidence or were you waiting for someone else to accuse and vote him in order for yourself not to stand out?

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On April 23 2012 16:22 phagga wrote:
ok, catching up.

game mechanics stuff:

- Hydras should sign. Everything else lowers transparency for town.
- After reading all the pros and cons, I'd support a mason claim day 2. Reason: Many Vets + 2 masons = too many targets to handle for scum. D3 might be too late because of counterclaim (depends on nightkills and SK situation).

On to more important stuff in no particular order:

Mr. Zentor: I don't like how his "really long post" was actually not long at all, but only full of quotes. If we ignore the quotes, the post was quite short. So why announce it as long?
His case on prplhz was weak, and when asked a second time why he thought that prplhz was still scummy, he never answered. His style is unnecessarily aggresive.

VisceraEyes: His Filter shows 5 ingame posts, which is more than I have, but unlike me he is notorious for being very active borderline on spamming, trying to direct people and generally being helpful to town. He is completely lacking these features this game. His townread post is suspicious, I can't remember him making townlists like this in the last games? His behaviour currently reminds of the Bastard game we just were in, where he was SK.

Ace: I don't like how he has basically been talking about game mechanics and shown no interest in hunting scum. However, I've read some games where he was in (last was space station) and I think this is part of his D1 play? Not entirely sure.

Radfield: He would not have shown up in this list was it not for sbrubbles points. I think they are very legit, and I look forward to Radfields reaction.

On April 23 2012 21:39 phagga wrote:


Uh, my impression is that he exactly tried to avoid putting himself in the spotlight. He has 5 posts, which are a town list, 2 defensive posts about himself and zentor, a heart to rad and a post about game mechanics where he also tries to find out more about Aces possible plan(s). That's not putting yourself in the spotlight.

Actually, that last post seems a bit strange, now that I read it again. He has not activily participated in this discussion about game mechanics but suddenly seems interested in knowing how Ace would deal with the situation? When I look through his posts again, this one feels out of place in comparison to the others.

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Also, he is one of the few people who is not openly supporting a mason claim.

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My problem is that I have a hard time making out something new, something that has not been said yet. There is not much content so far (which is partially my fault), and there is a lot of game mechanics talk that does not really show anything about the alignement of players, specially as pretty much everyone involved in the discussion agrees on the general concept. What exactly do you expect? That I'm going to make stuff up only for the sake of being original?

Also, You can believe me or not, but the fact that Ace was only talking about game mechanics and not trying to scum hunt crossed my mind before he was called out for this by someone else. Alas, I was too slow, so it looks like I'm parroting.

I'm still a bit undecided on who to vote on, which is way I have not voted yet. I think it is going to be VisceraEyes for now, but I want to read through Zentors filter first.



1 I agree with you that it's no issue.

2 So you just fling some mud into a vets direction without any hard facts?

3So you have a good reason to vote VE, but withhold because... well, you keep us in the dark why you are not telling us. why can't you tell us? Is the explanation going to be so long, are you waiting for more info?

I don't see you as scum atm. I just thought that sbrubbles actually saw two good points (the second and the third) and I wanted to point out that I share his sentiment and that I want your reaction too.

On April 27 2012 17:32 phagga wrote:
Where the wild roses scum grows:

VE: He is my next top suspect, which is probably not very surprising. I already was suspicious of him on D1. I wrote back then that I got the feeling he improved, this changed again on D2. Several good points have been made about him, I'm not gonna reiterate everything. He looks extremely unmotivated through the whole game. He has almost only delivered thoughts on players when asked for it, and his change of play is so absurdely different from what we're used from him that I doubt he really is town.

prplhz: He is suspicious at least. Had Zentor turned scum, he would have been semi-confirmed town after tunneling him so hard. Now it's possible he just used it as an excuse to not participate in scum hunting D2. He voted Snarfs on D1 without any reason after attacking Zentor already.
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Also note how he was active at game start, but then gradually got less active, and has been lurking almost all of D2 (his last post is over 30 hours old). All this together make him suspicious for me, but it's not enough to lynch him today. I really look forward to hear some scum suspects from him including some reasoning why.

Marv: From staying under the radar to blatantly sheeping Ace, he has pretty much not put any effort into finding scum. His case on Radfield centered around Rad defending Zentor. I know people say he is a good late game player, but that's also a great excuse for a scum to just do nothing the first 3 days until it's almost too late for town. Also, there is quite some material of every player to analyze, so I don't really see why he should not try to come up with is own reads by now.

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Concerning Bluelightz: Besides sbrubbles he is the only one I have played several games with (Werewolves 2, Aperture and Bastard). The way he is putting effort in this game seems rather townish to me. While I do see Aces point about Bluelightz switching targets and therefore risking to derail the discussion, I rather think that this is Bluelightz not thinking twice about what effects his behaviour has (see DFM2 for an extreme example), or overthinking what effects his behaviour has. In my experience, when he is active like this and when some effort is visible, he is probably town.

Concerning Sbrubbles: He has never been a man with a huge filter, see Aperture as example. The fact that he tries to come up with his own original points and the way he pushes VE I'm leaning town on him.

On May 01 2012 18:44 phagga wrote:

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Ace: Why did you not push Bluelightz harder on D3? You voted him about 9 hours before the deadline but then spend time discussing other stuff.

sbrubbles: I don't like his lurky style, although I know it is not unusual for town-sbrubbles. His banter with VE on D2 (which really seemed to piss VE off) makes me think he is not scum, same as his vote on VE on D1.

I'll read through s&b's filter again after lunch.

On April 30 2012 06:09 Sbrubbles wrote:
An hour left till deadline. I still think marv is scum and needs to be lynched. I think Strongandbig is town and, although he is on the radar for me, I'm not sure about Ace being scum.

Strongandbig, Bluelightz and Ace, are your town reads on marvelosity strong enough that you refuse to consolidate?
Phagga, where the heck are you?

On May 02 2012 05:33 Sbrubbles wrote:
Hey guys. I really thought I had a good case on Marv yesterday, but that didn't pan out, so I feel messed up.

I don't know what to think of bluelightz. I don't like his posting style, but I don't have a scum read on him. I also can't read Forumite, so I have them both as null.

Of the people being talked about here, I think I'd go for a prplzh lynch, based mostly on Snarf's case, but I'm really unsure. His strongandbig push, his attitude D3, his unvote all felt strange to me. Phagga has promised "more to come" and prhplz has just voted him, so I'll wait for them to make their arguments to try to make a better decision. I'm studying right now, but I'll be reading the thread sporadically. Tonight I'll have more time to post.