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On April 29 2012 00:48 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 23:52 Ace wrote:On April 28 2012 23:18 Sbrubbles wrote:On April 28 2012 23:09 Ace wrote:
He bussed VE? Where? He didn't, because VE is dead. I'm saying that was their plan. If VE would have lived. Probable but why didn't he begin setting up VE during Night 2 or at the very end of Day 1? There was a lot of discussion going on and VEs name was off the radar. If he wanted to bus VE that would have been the perfect time to remind everyone "hey, VE is still a top suspect". That's a possibility. But do you see any other reason why VE would accuse Rad, who he knew was gonna die? I mean, why put a lot of effort into calling Rad scummy only 3 minutes before killing him? And why he would add Marv into his accusation? I've got my theory, but I'd like to know yours, Ace.
This argument is so retarded, why would VE bring focus on me one way or another?
LOOK AT THE RESULT. You guys are all looking at him making a case on me going "her der bus lololol" and what have you.
That is an entirely fucking predictable result, and if you don't agree, then you're being wilfully dumb.
It's absolute nonsense to suggest anything VE has done with me makes me connected with him.
Like I said, the case against me is not having scumhunted. All the case with VE in it is so stupid I can't even fathom.
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On April 29 2012 02:31 Snarfs wrote:To be specific marv, if you're looking for something to give your opinion on: I noticed you were asking for previous filters from Bluelightz's scum games. What did you make of that? Show nested quote +Quick question: anyone know which games Bluelightz played scum in of late please? What do you think of Ace's pressure on Bluelightz? And finally, how would you compare strongandbig's play in the newbie game you played together to this game?
I will look into Bluelightz now, time got away with me last night.
regarding strongandbig - he's quite good at walls of text as newbie or scum. For reference he was scum in Space station mafia. I incorrectly had a town read on him for quite a while until he failed to respond to a PM in Space Station where I felt he would have as town, so I'm not that confident in my ability to read his alignment.
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EBWOP: - as town or scum, not as newbie or scum :/
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On April 29 2012 03:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 02:31 Snarfs wrote:To be specific marv, if you're looking for something to give your opinion on: I noticed you were asking for previous filters from Bluelightz's scum games. What did you make of that? Quick question: anyone know which games Bluelightz played scum in of late please? What do you think of Ace's pressure on Bluelightz? And finally, how would you compare strongandbig's play in the newbie game you played together to this game? I will look into Bluelightz now, time got away with me last night. regarding strongandbig - he's quite good at walls of text as newbie or scum. For reference he was scum in Space station mafia. I incorrectly had a town read on him for quite a while until he failed to respond to a PM in Space Station where I felt he would have as town, so I'm not that confident in my ability to read his alignment.
Ok, further to this, I went over Bluelightz' filter in Aperture, I'm a Cop, and here.
My read of it tells me that he is town. The reason for this is perhaps counterintuitive - in I'm a Cop, as townie, he was talking about who he viewed as town all the time. In Aperture he did not do this at all. Here again he is talking about viewing people as town. I feel his play here is more consistent with his town play than his scum play.
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On April 29 2012 05:32 prplhz wrote:
@marvellosity We're all quite aware that Bluelightz is town which is why his lynch is gaining zero momentum even though Ace is pushing it. Who is scum if not you or him?
Fuck if I know atm.
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On April 29 2012 06:23 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 06:15 marvellosity wrote:On April 29 2012 05:32 prplhz wrote:
@marvellosity We're all quite aware that Bluelightz is town which is why his lynch is gaining zero momentum even though Ace is pushing it. Who is scum if not you or him? Fuck if I know atm. You seem to be very blunt about how you don't have any reads but that doesn't actually look town, it looks like a scum who heard someone say that being blunt is a town trait. Right now what you're saying is "I have no thoughts on the game and we should no-lynch today", and that is in no way pro-town.
No, that's not what I said, and I'm not trying to look town with the way I say it.
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I'm saying I don't have a solid scum-read at the moment. Nothing more nothing less.
Other than people who think I'm scum, does anyone? Ace has Bluelightz... what else?
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My not-so-solid scumread at the moment is on Sbrubbles. Unfortunately my feelings on him make me a hypocrite with how I've attacked the case on me based on the VE connection.
I feel like the interaction between Sbrubbles and VE suggest a connection. VE pressures Sbrubbles and generally talks about him quite a lot (more than me) as part of his lurker connection. VE also calls Sbrubbles scum and a response somewhere very scummy. He keeps calling him scum when it doesn't matter and fake-pushing him. When the game is getting more serious just before VE gets shot, VE completely abandons any case on Sbrubbles to make a case on Radfield/me.
From Sbrubbles perspective he puts some pressure on VE day 1, and even votes for him twice. He votes for VE but says "he will vote for zentor for a majority" - i.e. this is a safe vote on VE at the moment as he's under no risk and will happily go back to zentor. There is then his case here on me which heavily involves VE, which I find to be an interesting psychological mistake. Really, VE and Sbrubbles have been distancing themselves all game, and now VE makes a case on me and miraculously Sbrubbles makes a case on me, with quite a large part dedicated to VE.
The problem with all this is that from any of you guys perspective (and also mine, I suppose) it's all WIFOM and you have no particular reason to believe me ahead of Sbrubbles.
I don't have a strong scum-read in the typical 'this all reeks of mafia motivation', and I went over phagga/prplhz/forumite/sbrubbles filters. s&b I think is probably town from his posts, and I can't really read Ace very well but a lot of what he says makes sense.
This leaves me with my gut read on the Sbrubbles and VE interactions that I have here.
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On April 29 2012 09:09 Sbrubbles wrote:Forumite: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 04:10 Forumite wrote:
There´s a ton of things connecting VE to Marv. VE making a Radfield+Marv connection N2, right before shooting Radfield, effectively kills his own argument, distances him from Marv, while still making it look like VE is scumhunting and Marv is Town (because a strong case on him just got refuted). However, this is based on what VE did. Sbrubbles, did Marv do anything that connects him to VE, or do you base it only on what the flipped scum did? I haven't found anything strongly connecting Marv -> VE. Marv soft defends VE on a few occasions but nothing that stands out too much. My case is based on the VE -> Marv connection and Marv's own scumminess. Marv: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
My not-so-solid scumread at the moment is on Sbrubbles. Unfortunately my feelings on him make me a hypocrite with how I've attacked the case on me based on the VE connection.
I feel like the interaction between Sbrubbles and VE suggest a connection. VE pressures Sbrubbles and generally talks about him quite a lot (more than me) as part of his lurker connection. VE also calls Sbrubbles scum and a response somewhere very scummy. He keeps calling him scum when it doesn't matter and fake-pushing him.
Me pressuring VE on multiple occasions suggests a connection? So, calling him out and drawing attention to both him and to myself is the scummy thing to do? Also, I'd be happy if you could point out said scummy response.+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
When the game is getting more serious just before VE gets shot, VE completely abandons any case on Sbrubbles to make a case on Radfield/me.
VE tried to discredit Rad on multiple instances before N2. It makes perfect sense he'd go back to it. You, on the other hand, he brought out from thin air (or, as I believe, from the scum QT). + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
From Sbrubbles perspective he puts some pressure on VE day 1, and even votes for him twice. He votes for VE but says "he will vote for zentor for a majority" - i.e. this is a safe vote on VE at the moment as he's under no risk and will happily go back to zentor. There is then his case here on me which heavily involves VE, which I find to be an interesting psychological mistake. Really, VE and Sbrubbles have been distancing themselves all game, and now VE makes a case on me and miraculously Sbrubbles makes a case on me, with quite a large part dedicated to VE.
The problem with all this is that from any of you guys perspective (and also mine, I suppose) it's all WIFOM and you have no particular reason to believe me ahead of Sbrubbles.
I don't have a strong scum-read in the typical 'this all reeks of mafia motivation', and I went over phagga/prplhz/forumite/sbrubbles filters. s&b I think is probably town from his posts, and I can't really read Ace very well but a lot of what he says makes sense.
This leaves me with my gut read on the Sbrubbles and VE interactions that I have here.
So, doubting, accusing and pushing equates to "distancing" now? In that case I hope to "distance" myself from every scum in this game. You're grasping at straws at this point.
Re: the bold, I was simply referring to VE's comment here:
On April 25 2012 11:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm still very interested in hearing Sbrubbles' take on everything that's going on. His response to my vote yesterday was scummy as hell in my opinion. It seemed more like he was trying to sheep Radfield and Toad's vote than an actual vote because he found me scummy.
Sup Sbrubbles?
I don't get your "I'm grasping at straws" comment. I'm remarking on what I've noticed, it's not a desperate defence.
I also don't know why you keep saying "distancing". I don't think I say "distancing". I am remarking on the remarkable amount of interaction between you and VE. None of which came close to culminating in anything.
Why so defensive?
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On April 30 2012 01:40 Ace wrote:
Case on marv is bullshit by the way. You guys are trying to imply that a known Scum player did something that connects him with marv. Let me repeat that:
A known Scum player.
Trying to attach marv to some made up wifom is bs.
Yup, people are pretty dumb if they think that VE would make a case on me if I were his scumbuddy. It's so stupid it hurts.
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On April 30 2012 01:38 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 23:57 Bluelightz wrote:
WHERE IS EVERYONE?!?!?!?!?!
T_T
btw I think Ace is deliberating with his scum mates on how to defend on the pressure (just a guess ><) actually I was out and about all day yesterday. Just woke up from partying but I did read your posts earlier in the morning. I think their rubbish and I'm feeling lazy. Do you want me to respond to them though? 
But I would certainly like you to reply to their posts, especially s&b's.
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On April 30 2012 02:34 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 19:45 marvellosity wrote:
If you're going to make a case, please make a case that's made of something. The entire thrust of a case against me should be that I haven't managed to scumhunt, which is an accusation I can't easily brush away. Your case however is easily brushed away based on weak circumstance and connection. Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
My not-so-solid scumread at the moment is on Sbrubbles. Unfortunately my feelings on him make me a hypocrite with how I've attacked the case on me based on the VE connection.
I feel like the interaction between Sbrubbles and VE suggest a connection. VE pressures Sbrubbles and generally talks about him quite a lot (more than me) as part of his lurker connection. VE also calls Sbrubbles scum and a response somewhere very scummy. He keeps calling him scum when it doesn't matter and fake-pushing him. When the game is getting more serious just before VE gets shot, VE completely abandons any case on Sbrubbles to make a case on Radfield/me.
From Sbrubbles perspective he puts some pressure on VE day 1, and even votes for him twice. He votes for VE but says "he will vote for zentor for a majority" - i.e. this is a safe vote on VE at the moment as he's under no risk and will happily go back to zentor. There is then his case here on me which heavily involves VE, which I find to be an interesting psychological mistake. Really, VE and Sbrubbles have been distancing themselves all game, and now VE makes a case on me and miraculously Sbrubbles makes a case on me, with quite a large part dedicated to VE.
The problem with all this is that from any of you guys perspective (and also mine, I suppose) it's all WIFOM and you have no particular reason to believe me ahead of Sbrubbles.
I don't have a strong scum-read in the typical 'this all reeks of mafia motivation', and I went over phagga/prplhz/forumite/sbrubbles filters. s&b I think is probably town from his posts, and I can't really read Ace very well but a lot of what he says makes sense.
This leaves me with my gut read on the Sbrubbles and VE interactions that I have here.
Quit being a hypocrite and give me a real case on someone. I'm still fine with either a marvellosity or an Ace lynch. I think both of them need to die before lylo anyways unless they show us some actual desire to find scum.
How am I being a hypocrite? I never said my comments on Sbrubbles constituted a case - only he and laughable people like you are for some reason lapping up VE's case on me that makes me scum. Get a grip.
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Anyway, this has been bugging me and I found it, slightly tangentially:
On April 27 2012 10:02 Radfield wrote:
I had not even realized that only 2 scum was a possibility. I was obviously reading the C9++ setup wrong.
At any rate, it seems fairly likely that we don't have a lot of power roles this game. Consider:
No masons, as they would've claimed
No jailkeepers, as no on claimed a roleblock
No vigilantes fired on N1
No Serial Killer, as there was only 1 kill(possibly overlap though)
1 1-shot Cop, likely no second full cop.
No roleblockers, again as no one claimed a roleblock. This is doubly important, as combined with no SK it means we know the setup exactly:
1 Goon, 1 Godfather, 1 Town Power role(me). Unless I've messed up on reading, this is the setup.
Yes, you messed up the reading, my dear departed Radfield. There were 3 scum in this game, and there are likely 3 scum in this game. Toad in Pink Dress isn't marked as scum on Page 1, but if you look at the thread he was.
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EBWOP: There were 3 scum in that game
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On April 30 2012 02:42 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 01:40 Ace wrote:
Case on marv is bullshit by the way. You guys are trying to imply that a known Scum player did something that connects him with marv. Let me repeat that:
A known Scum player.
Trying to attach marv to some made up wifom is bs. Think about this from a different perpective. VE had no idea he was going to die. Everything he said during the night was under the assumption that he was gonna be alive today. Tell me Ace, why did VE make a big case on Rad, who was playing strongly as town, 3 minutes before killing him and confirming him as town? And why add marvelosity to the case? Ace, you're known as a strong town player and I respect you opinion. But you're refusing to put any thought into case and it's starting to look scummy.
No, you're just incapable of thinking logically.
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EBWOP: namely - you ask "why add marvellosity to the case?"
WHY INDEED, for god's sake. Look at what it's done, it's made all you fucking jubjubs convinced I'm scum BECAUSE THE SCUM MADE A CASE ON ME. God almighty. Why indeed you ask, why indeed?
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I'm going to carry on ranting about this now.
You say VE didn't know he was going to die. Right, that given, why would he pile pressure on an easy target in me?. I am clearly a good lynch target due to the fact I haven't scumhunted.
Why the fuck the fuck would he put big pressure on me if he didn't think he was going to die? Use your bloody brains.
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My compeltely-explained change of stance on Zentor? ltr please.
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Jesus fucking christ, how many times do I have to say it wasn't a case?
I didn't 'try to put suspicion' on Radfield, I pointed out, using filter as evidence, the remarkable amount of times Radfield defended Zentor. There is nothing to disagree with in the post I made there.
When I die, I would favour a lynch into prplhz and Sbrubbles.
And whichever alignment Ace is, I hope he wins the game as he's the only guy I've really enjoyed reading the posts of this game.
Snarfs - at least that's a decent case against me. I wouldn't blame you for lynching me for it, unlike the Sbrubbles and Forumite idiocy.
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On April 30 2012 03:58 strongandbig wrote:
@Marv, you made some cases in our noob game which I ignored at the time but in hindsight were really quite good.
Why haven't you made a case on anyone this game? If you had to do so now, on who would you make it?
I haven't made a case because I haven't had a strong scum-read on anyone. I have stated this before.
s&b - you should probably know me well enough to know that if I wanted to fabricate a decent looking case on someone, I could probably do it. And in the interests of saving my own hide, I would have done it.
As above, my gut hunch is that prplhz and Sbrubbles are scum. prplhz for sheeping and stirring, and Sbrubbles because I just see something in him+VE (NOTE: THIS IS NOT A CASE. IT IS MY FEELING. IT IS WHY I HAVEN'T PUSHED FOR A SBRUBBLES LYNCH)
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