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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 29 2012 01:19 GMT
#1861
On April 29 2012 10:14 PaqMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Okay. The good news is that we're not one day away from LyLo anymore. We might even live to a whole week if the game goes on that long. However, I'm still nervous that Ottoxlol survived not one, but TWO lynches. We need to kill him.


We should have lynched Ottox. MG was going to be modkilled anyways so our lynch was wasted.

Relying on modkills to do your work for you isn't very sportsmanlike imoimo

good to see a goon gone though. i dunno what MG was up to today, but it certainly didn't help. sucks we lost another townie T_T

if tracker, track ottox.

if vig, shoot ottox.

if JK, jail ottox.

imoimo, at least. if you feel against it, then don't but I feel like ottox is a threat to the town at this point.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
April 29 2012 01:26 GMT
#1862
I agree with JK jailing otto. And here are the votes if anyone's interested in drawing conclusions:

Ghost_403 --> ottoxlol
Risen --> ottoxlol
Mattchew --> ottoxlol
[UoN]Sentinel --> ottoxlol

Ottoxlol --> MidnightGladius
Bill Murray --> MidnightGladius
marvellosity --> MidnightGladius
johnnywup --> MidnightGladius
Janaan --> MidnightGladius
PaqMan --> MidnightGladius

BroodkingEXE -> BillMurray(?)

This last one is painting bkexe redder in my eyes.
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PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
April 29 2012 01:27 GMT
#1863
What do you mean unsportsmanlike? Why waste a lynch if he's going to be modkilled regardless?
I know there's no way we could have known that MG wasn't going to vote. I'm just saying that if we used our lynch on Ottox it wouldn't have been wasted.
t(ツ)t
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 29 2012 01:28 GMT
#1864
Yeah I know. It's perfectly within the ruleset. It just feels wrong to me. idk
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
April 29 2012 01:34 GMT
#1865
I'm really upset about today, and my play in general this game. I was kept at the lab longer than expected, and just couldn't make it back for the deadline. GG, and GL, town.
Trust in Bayes.
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
April 29 2012 01:34 GMT
#1866
I also don't like how Sentinel completely dropped off our radar after Gonzaw died. He was Gonzaw's biggest scumread.
Sentinel Case

^Everyone please read through it.
t(ツ)t
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
April 29 2012 01:45 GMT
#1867
On April 29 2012 10:34 PaqMan wrote:
I also don't like how Sentinel completely dropped off our radar after Gonzaw died. He was Gonzaw's biggest scumread.
Sentinel Case

^Everyone please read through it.


Ok, let's go back and see what he's accused me of, and what's still relevant:


Conclusion:
  • Sentinel is just posting to avoid the spotlight. When he posts he either just defends himself against accusations, he posts fluff and filler about useless things (like that "QT=/=PM" post), or posts wishy-washy stances on other players
  • He ignores all current discussions and posts things that are irrelevant to them. He talks about players that have nothing to do with the discussion (and like said before in a wishy-washy manner), he talks about current events way too late and doesn't provide any new (or even remotely useful) content regarding it
  • Starts fighting with ghost to disrupt the thread, starts FoSing him but after they keep fighting he fails to take a stance on the ghost subject, he just argues with him for the sake of arguing.
  • He is "suspicious" and wishy washy about a lot of players and never makes the effort of mentioning them again or contributing more thoughts about them.
  • He votes VE without any reasoning and only based on VE "trying to sway townies", and nothing else
  • Doesn't actively contribute, lurks and posts only sporadically.


He's scum and I'll vote for him tomorrow.


Let's see: "Sentinel is just posting to avoid the spotlight". This has been rendered false. I have been pushing the Otto lynch, coming up with conclusions, and offering plans. I do too much WIFOM, granted, but it's not to avoid the spotlight. It's quite the opposite.

"He ignores all current discussions and posts things that are irrelevant to them". I think it's safe to say this is now absolutely null.

"Starts fighting with ghost to disrupt the thread". Well I can't really correct this one but I haven't touched ghost, and as I said before, I was pissed at the time and wasn't thinking clearly. Nothing more.

"He is "suspicious" and wishy washy about a lot of players". I'm suspicious of more than one (Otto, Risen, Brood, BM) but so is most of the others. Some have even more (who was the one who had 6 people on his potential scum list?). And I certainly do go back to them again, and in fact I'm still favoring an Otto lynch Day 4.

"He votes VE" well I can't change that. But I CAN point out that Zeph voted VE to not be modkilled, stated such, and flipped green. So I don't see why this would make me red.

"Doesn't actively contribute, lurks, and posts only sporadically". Granted, I haven't posted as much as say, 2-3 days ago, but I am not a lurker.

So this case is pretty much irrelevant now.
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PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
April 29 2012 02:03 GMT
#1868
You do make some valid points, I just don't like how you slipped from everyone's view. Especially since a few people like jdub and Ghost had a FoS on you.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
April 29 2012 02:10 GMT
#1869
EBWOP: wanted to point this out

On April 27 2012 12:26 St.Daniel wrote:
It's ok, iGrok. I hope your job interview went well. I swear I didn't think Mementoss would die. Also, we don't have Vig? That's rather unfortunate, because we spent good chunk of first day talking about it (leading up to VE's claim). My guess are now MG, Sentinel, Mattchew and PaqMan.


St. D's scum read in bold. Despite the fact that he voted for BM and thought it was "the most beneficial for town", BM was not put on St. D's final read. I think it's a possibility that either he listed townies or one of his scumbuddies. Tried looking through the rest of his filter and there's not much else to work with, seeing as he was really inactive this whole game.
t(ツ)t
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
April 29 2012 04:26 GMT
#1870
First on Risen:
Beginning of the game is fine to me acts pretty town. Then he gets caught in a lie and proceeds to be a dick about it. Then he has the vote switch. Now he is lurking, and making excuses. The problem I have with voting for him is that his latest posts look more townie, he's being honestly productive. The main case against him (gonzaw's, although townie) is shaky, and has painted him as scum. The vote switch is suspicious, but fits with his posting tone afterwards. Considering he made he the first case against Ottoxlol (he was ninja'ed by paq i'd call it a tie for first) it doesn't really fit in terms of both of them being scum. Conclusion: town

Next on Ottolxlol:
He starts off with shaky cases and proceeds to start to go after everyone. Funny that he was digging in so hard on VE, but pretty easily goes for BJ in the end. His pages 3 1/2 - 6 provide little reasoning, and are mostly response to others posts and reiterations of his own posts. Page 7 sees a transition into a bit more reasoned posts. I think that they have a towny vibe though, but the action of posting that many one-liners could be consdired scummy. He hasn't been posting very much about his actually reads, which makes me think he is a null-red read.

At the moment though I feel BM still has more scummy posts than Ottolxlol, so I will vote for him until I can confirm a more red read.
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
April 29 2012 04:32 GMT
#1871
On April 29 2012 10:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I agree with JK jailing otto. And here are the votes if anyone's interested in drawing conclusions:

Ghost_403 --> ottoxlol
Risen --> ottoxlol
Mattchew --> ottoxlol
[UoN]Sentinel --> ottoxlol

Ottoxlol --> MidnightGladius
Bill Murray --> MidnightGladius
marvellosity --> MidnightGladius
johnnywup --> MidnightGladius
Janaan --> MidnightGladius
PaqMan --> MidnightGladius

BroodkingEXE -> BillMurray(?)

This last one is painting bkexe redder in my eyes.


I don't see ottoxlol as the most confirmed scum in my eyes. Why vote for someone I don't see as the best option out there. Sure I can post shaky reasoning to try and convince the town, but would anyone really believe me? I am interested in why you would want to jail Otto. Why do you think he is the goon over your other scum reads?
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
April 29 2012 04:34 GMT
#1872
On April 29 2012 13:26 BroodKingEXE wrote:
First on Risen:
Beginning of the game is fine to me acts pretty town. Then he gets caught in a lie and proceeds to be a dick about it. Then he has the vote switch. Now he is lurking, and making excuses. The problem I have with voting for him is that his latest posts look more townie, he's being honestly productive. The main case against him (gonzaw's, although townie) is shaky, and has painted him as scum. The vote switch is suspicious, but fits with his posting tone afterwards. Considering he made he the first case against Ottoxlol (he was ninja'ed by paq i'd call it a tie for first) it doesn't really fit in terms of both of them being scum. Conclusion: town

Next on Ottolxlol:
He starts off with shaky cases and proceeds to start to go after everyone. Funny that he was digging in so hard on VE, but pretty easily goes for BJ in the end. His pages 3 1/2 - 6 provide little reasoning, and are mostly response to others posts and reiterations of his own posts. Page 7 sees a transition into a bit more reasoned posts. I think that they have a towny vibe though, but the action of posting that many one-liners could be consdired scummy. He hasn't been posting very much about his actually reads, which makes me think he is a null-red read.

At the moment though I feel BM still has more scummy posts than Ottolxlol, so I will vote for him until I can confirm a more red read.


What are you talking about? What lie? I don't recall Risen getting ninja'd by me.
t(ツ)t
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 29 2012 04:44 GMT
#1873
BKEXE, do you have better reads on whos goon specifically? we can't know goon from gf, so jailing the most scummy read is best, wouldnt you agree?
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
April 29 2012 04:46 GMT
#1874
@Paq (Response to: This Post)
Risen got caught in a lie about voting for Marv. While he didn't post it in the voting thread, I would say putting ##Vote: Name still counts as a vote in my mind. When I mean ninja'ed he posted a case on Ottolxlol within a couple minutes of you. Considering the length of the case, I would say that you both had cases on him at the same time. Since no one had any big suspicions before that separates him from Otto in my eyes.
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
April 29 2012 05:05 GMT
#1875
@Johnny
No, I am saying that JK's can jail their most town reads. Mafia then have to guess who to shoot (since they want to get rid of influential or correct townies) and whether they are JK'ed. I think a jailing using a reasoned desicion (figuring out who is town) is better than having a 1/3 chance of a useful jail.
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 29 2012 06:28 GMT
#1876
Oh yeah. That's right. I was thinking about a roleblocker >_> I forgot momentarily that it blocked a KP.

Yeah, totally go for towniest read, JK, if existent.
Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
April 29 2012 07:41 GMT
#1877
Damn it. Really thought MG would flip red. We caught a break with Daniel not voting, though, that'll give us a little breathing room. I think it's pointless talking about what blues should do, whoever the last blue is, whatever role he is, I'm sure he has his own ideas of what he needs to be doing and we need to let him do that.

I plan on taking this night phase to collect all my thoughts in my head. With one goon down, I think we're in an ok position now, we just need to keep going.

On April 29 2012 11:10 PaqMan wrote:
EBWOP: wanted to point this out

Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 12:26 St.Daniel wrote:
It's ok, iGrok. I hope your job interview went well. I swear I didn't think Mementoss would die. Also, we don't have Vig? That's rather unfortunate, because we spent good chunk of first day talking about it (leading up to VE's claim). My guess are now MG, Sentinel, Mattchew and PaqMan.


St. D's scum read in bold. Despite the fact that he voted for BM and thought it was "the most beneficial for town", BM was not put on St. D's final read. I think it's a possibility that either he listed townies or one of his scumbuddies. Tried looking through the rest of his filter and there's not much else to work with, seeing as he was really inactive this whole game.

The thing about this is that you have to remember, Daniel is a noob scum. He probably would air on the side of not mentioning his scumbuddy at all, and certainly wouldn't vote for him unless absolutely necessary. IF there's a scum in that list, there's no more than one in my opinion. It also makes BM look better to me that Daniel voted him when he could have easily sheeped the VE wagon.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 29 2012 10:58 GMT
#1878
On April 29 2012 16:41 Janaan wrote:
Damn it. Really thought MG would flip red. We caught a break with Daniel not voting, though, that'll give us a little breathing room. I think it's pointless talking about what blues should do, whoever the last blue is, whatever role he is, I'm sure he has his own ideas of what he needs to be doing and we need to let him do that.

I plan on taking this night phase to collect all my thoughts in my head. With one goon down, I think we're in an ok position now, we just need to keep going.

Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:10 PaqMan wrote:
EBWOP: wanted to point this out

On April 27 2012 12:26 St.Daniel wrote:
It's ok, iGrok. I hope your job interview went well. I swear I didn't think Mementoss would die. Also, we don't have Vig? That's rather unfortunate, because we spent good chunk of first day talking about it (leading up to VE's claim). My guess are now MG, Sentinel, Mattchew and PaqMan.


St. D's scum read in bold. Despite the fact that he voted for BM and thought it was "the most beneficial for town", BM was not put on St. D's final read. I think it's a possibility that either he listed townies or one of his scumbuddies. Tried looking through the rest of his filter and there's not much else to work with, seeing as he was really inactive this whole game.

The thing about this is that you have to remember, Daniel is a noob scum. He probably would air on the side of not mentioning his scumbuddy at all, and certainly wouldn't vote for him unless absolutely necessary. IF there's a scum in that list, there's no more than one in my opinion. It also makes BM look better to me that Daniel voted him when he could have easily sheeped the VE wagon.


I disagree with this line of reasoning. Newb scum or not, scum still have their QT for more experienced players to give newbies direction. I'm uncomfortable with thinking that because St. Dan mentioned/voted BM at some stage that that makes BM more townie. That said, of his final 4 named, Sentinel is still the most likely scum imo.

I'm also heartened to see people bringing up Risen/Sentinel again, I was afraid conversation was going to die a little. Anyway, more thoughts later.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
April 29 2012 12:32 GMT
#1879
On April 29 2012 14:05 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Johnny
No, I am saying that JK's can jail their most town reads. Mafia then have to guess who to shoot (since they want to get rid of influential or correct townies) and whether they are JK'ed. I think a jailing using a reasoned desicion (figuring out who is town) is better than having a 1/3 chance of a useful jail.


Still, there's also the fact that in the end, Mafia has a 7/8 chance of successfully shooting someone. So to max out the odds they can go for someone who isn't being suspected at the moment, or just shoot an active player. Personally, I see many players in this game who are influential and leading the discussion. JK can't jail them all.

1/3 seems like better odds than 1/8.
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 29 2012 14:40 GMT
#1880
On April 29 2012 21:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 14:05 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Johnny
No, I am saying that JK's can jail their most town reads. Mafia then have to guess who to shoot (since they want to get rid of influential or correct townies) and whether they are JK'ed. I think a jailing using a reasoned desicion (figuring out who is town) is better than having a 1/3 chance of a useful jail.


Still, there's also the fact that in the end, Mafia has a 7/8 chance of successfully shooting someone. So to max out the odds they can go for someone who isn't being suspected at the moment, or just shoot an active player. Personally, I see many players in this game who are influential and leading the discussion. JK can't jail them all.

1/3 seems like better odds than 1/8.

yeah, ok, but that only makes sense if we know who the mafia are. we can have suspicions, but it won't be 1/3 vs 1/8
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