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On April 28 2012 08:38 Risen wrote:
Whatever I'm voting ottoxlol. I gave up when I realized it came out that we lost a second blue. Who else is there to make a case on? I already screwed us by completely screwing up yesterday b/c I'm horrible. I read through people's filters and this game is so trashed what's the point? I'm going to vote for ottox, he's still my strongest scumread besides BM who everyone seems to be A OK with lurking like a boss then popping in for two seconds then popping back out. Same with freakin St Daniels I don't care that he was sick or whatever. Every game I'm in is ruined by lurkers. When ottox flips that means I'm lynched next. And then it's pretty much lylo according to gonzaw's earlier statement. I'm sorry, like I said earlier this is pretty much the second consecutive gamed I've ruined and I didn't even know I could ruin a game when I wasn't an alignment checker.
##vote: ottoxlol
I'm voting BM tomorrow.
There is always chance that you are wrong, you shouldn't give up. I am town, don't trust me, vote me, idc, but help finding the others meanwhile don't give up, because you won't be lynched tomorrow.
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On April 28 2012 09:01 johnnywup wrote:
yeah that wouldn't make sense if they're both scum. I think it's safe to assume they're opposite alignments (i'm ruling out the both townie part because I feel that ottox is scum, and I don't think they could both be scum because risen did put in a lot of pressure unnecessarily). Seeing as Risen changed his vote last minute, if he was scum, he wouldn't care which one was lynched since they're both town, I think that makes it safe to assume Ottox is scum, Risen is town.
Thoughts?
That would be hilarious. Biggest fail in mafia?
Why is it safe to assume were opposite?
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On April 28 2012 08:38 Risen wrote:
Whatever I'm voting ottoxlol. I gave up when I realized it came out that we lost a second blue. Who else is there to make a case on? I already screwed us by completely screwing up yesterday b/c I'm horrible. I read through people's filters and this game is so trashed what's the point? I'm going to vote for ottox, he's still my strongest scumread besides BM who everyone seems to be A OK with lurking like a boss then popping in for two seconds then popping back out. Same with freakin St Daniels I don't care that he was sick or whatever. Every game I'm in is ruined by lurkers. When ottox flips that means I'm lynched next. And then it's pretty much lylo according to gonzaw's earlier statement. I'm sorry, like I said earlier this is pretty much the second consecutive gamed I've ruined and I didn't even know I could ruin a game when I wasn't an alignment checker.
##vote: ottoxlol
I'm voting BM tomorrow.
You're screwing us over by not helping. Get your shit together and contribute. There's got to be more people you think is scum besides ottox. Where's the cases you told us you'd post?!
Giving up like the way you are is weak. If you think the game is "so trashed" than PLEASE request a replacement. If you want to prove your town then start giving us stuff to work with, not these "ohh pity me!" posts.
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On April 28 2012 09:01 johnnywup wrote:
yeah that wouldn't make sense if they're both scum. I think it's safe to assume they're opposite alignments (i'm ruling out the both townie part because I feel that ottox is scum, and I don't think they could both be scum because risen did put in a lot of pressure unnecessarily). Seeing as Risen changed his vote last minute, if he was scum, he wouldn't care which one was lynched since they're both town, I think that makes it safe to assume Ottox is scum, Risen is town.
Thoughts?
Alright, both townie is definitely possible though, but I understand that you think Ottoxlol is scum.
The one scenario I would rule out is Ottoxlol town, Risen scum. No way would Risen have done what he did at vote time with this set of alignments.
If Ottoxlol is scum... Risen could be either town or scum. I know my point was that he wouldn't have pressured Ottoxlol so heavily like that if they were scumbuddies... but after all, he did save him at the lynch. I just can't make sense of it.
I suppose why that's why it makes sense to lynch one scum at a time. If Ottoxlol is genuinely everyone's strongest read, then we'll flip him and go from there.
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On April 28 2012 09:08 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 08:38 Risen wrote:
Whatever I'm voting ottoxlol. I gave up when I realized it came out that we lost a second blue. Who else is there to make a case on? I already screwed us by completely screwing up yesterday b/c I'm horrible. I read through people's filters and this game is so trashed what's the point? I'm going to vote for ottox, he's still my strongest scumread besides BM who everyone seems to be A OK with lurking like a boss then popping in for two seconds then popping back out. Same with freakin St Daniels I don't care that he was sick or whatever. Every game I'm in is ruined by lurkers. When ottox flips that means I'm lynched next. And then it's pretty much lylo according to gonzaw's earlier statement. I'm sorry, like I said earlier this is pretty much the second consecutive gamed I've ruined and I didn't even know I could ruin a game when I wasn't an alignment checker.
##vote: ottoxlol
I'm voting BM tomorrow. You're screwing us over by not helping. Get your shit together and contribute. There's got to be more people you think is scum besides ottox. Where's the cases you told us you'd post?! Giving up like the way you are is weak. If you think the game is "so trashed" than PLEASE request a replacement. If you want to prove your town then start giving us stuff to work with, not these "ohh pity me!" posts.
Whatever, I already had a go at him. Why don't you join the discussion at hand instead of berating him like I already did?
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Because scum would want to make a case on town and town would want to make a case on scum. His case on you unnecessarily makes it show it's not a bus. And I don't think both of you can be town (I can't really get a reason for this, more of a gut feeling).
Also paqman you're not really helping either. Last time you posted anything more than ~3 sentences was about 2 days ago, with the exception o your latest post (saying you're not helpful by not helping) and this:
On April 28 2012 07:54 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 02:59 Mementoss wrote:On April 25 2012 02:57 ghost_403 wrote:
@mattchew: I see a newb doing something stupid, and I feel bad. Can't help it. What do you think? Newb or scum? Everyone keeps asking this question.. It seems like scum have noticed this...To me it feels as today went on Ottoxols posts have got worse and worse, newbier and newbier. It feels like in the scumQT someone just said, yeah dude just play the Newb card hard. This. I went through Mementoss's posts to see if he dropped any hints, but I couldn't find anything definite. MT was really wanting to lynch Ottox but I didn't catch him saying that he was totally sure ottox was scum or not. Right now Ottox is a good lynch but we still have more than a day and plenty other options that we need to look at. If votes start piling up on one person pay attention to everyone's reasons. We're one away from lylo, Town needs to take a close look at everything and everyone.
which just states the obvious in the second paragraph and the first paragraph is just restating a quote.
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Exactly my point. Its not safe to assume that we are opposites because its only working if I am scum. You feel like it ok, but it is not 100%. If I am town, 99% Risen is town too.
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I really really want everyone's opinion's on this Risen making a case on Ottoxlol business.
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On April 28 2012 09:11 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 09:08 PaqMan wrote:On April 28 2012 08:38 Risen wrote:
Whatever I'm voting ottoxlol. I gave up when I realized it came out that we lost a second blue. Who else is there to make a case on? I already screwed us by completely screwing up yesterday b/c I'm horrible. I read through people's filters and this game is so trashed what's the point? I'm going to vote for ottox, he's still my strongest scumread besides BM who everyone seems to be A OK with lurking like a boss then popping in for two seconds then popping back out. Same with freakin St Daniels I don't care that he was sick or whatever. Every game I'm in is ruined by lurkers. When ottox flips that means I'm lynched next. And then it's pretty much lylo according to gonzaw's earlier statement. I'm sorry, like I said earlier this is pretty much the second consecutive gamed I've ruined and I didn't even know I could ruin a game when I wasn't an alignment checker.
##vote: ottoxlol
I'm voting BM tomorrow. You're screwing us over by not helping. Get your shit together and contribute. There's got to be more people you think is scum besides ottox. Where's the cases you told us you'd post?! Giving up like the way you are is weak. If you think the game is "so trashed" than PLEASE request a replacement. If you want to prove your town then start giving us stuff to work with, not these "ohh pity me!" posts. Whatever, I already had a go at him. Why don't you join the discussion at hand instead of berating him like I already did?
Because I think he's scum. If all he wants to do is complain about how bad he is then he should ask for a replacement. He's not helping town at all.
And what discussion? The only thing you're doing is speculating.
"If ottox is town, risen could be town or scum. Or ottox could be town and risen scum herpderp."
^^is not discussion. I'll join the discussion when it starts benefiting town, not spamming the thread with uselessness.
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Yeah ok, finding scum isn't a priority paqman. -_- Speculation is discussion.
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On April 28 2012 09:20 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 09:11 marvellosity wrote:On April 28 2012 09:08 PaqMan wrote:On April 28 2012 08:38 Risen wrote:
Whatever I'm voting ottoxlol. I gave up when I realized it came out that we lost a second blue. Who else is there to make a case on? I already screwed us by completely screwing up yesterday b/c I'm horrible. I read through people's filters and this game is so trashed what's the point? I'm going to vote for ottox, he's still my strongest scumread besides BM who everyone seems to be A OK with lurking like a boss then popping in for two seconds then popping back out. Same with freakin St Daniels I don't care that he was sick or whatever. Every game I'm in is ruined by lurkers. When ottox flips that means I'm lynched next. And then it's pretty much lylo according to gonzaw's earlier statement. I'm sorry, like I said earlier this is pretty much the second consecutive gamed I've ruined and I didn't even know I could ruin a game when I wasn't an alignment checker.
##vote: ottoxlol
I'm voting BM tomorrow. You're screwing us over by not helping. Get your shit together and contribute. There's got to be more people you think is scum besides ottox. Where's the cases you told us you'd post?! Giving up like the way you are is weak. If you think the game is "so trashed" than PLEASE request a replacement. If you want to prove your town then start giving us stuff to work with, not these "ohh pity me!" posts. Whatever, I already had a go at him. Why don't you join the discussion at hand instead of berating him like I already did? Because I think he's scum. If all he wants to do is complain about how bad he is then he should ask for a replacement. He's not helping town at all. And what discussion? The only thing you're doing is speculating. Show nested quote +"If ottox is town, risen could be town or scum. Or ottox could be town and risen scum herpderp." ^^is not discussion. I'll join the discussion when it starts benefiting town, not spamming the thread with uselessness.
You're an idiot. I have specifically asked for feedback on the issue of Risen making a case on Ottoxlol when he very much didn't have to. Answer the question. I've asked it more than once, stop just quoting little bits to make a stupid point.
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Why are we still talking about this me+Risen thing? lynching me will give all the information you need about Risen, you can discuss it next day. Talk about other stuff. This discussion leads nowhere and useless. We won't find any scum with it.
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On April 28 2012 09:22 johnnywup wrote:
Yeah ok, finding scum isn't a priority paqman. -_- Speculation is discussion.
You guys are repeating the same discussion that's already been talked about. How is that helping the rest of us out?
I never said finding scum isn't a priority, that's exactly what I want y'all to do instead of "it doesnt make sense why he would voteswitch?!?!".
Speculation might be discussion but it's useless and doesn't help us in finding scum, especially if it's already been discussed.
On April 28 2012 09:24 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 09:20 PaqMan wrote:On April 28 2012 09:11 marvellosity wrote:On April 28 2012 09:08 PaqMan wrote:On April 28 2012 08:38 Risen wrote:
Whatever I'm voting ottoxlol. I gave up when I realized it came out that we lost a second blue. Who else is there to make a case on? I already screwed us by completely screwing up yesterday b/c I'm horrible. I read through people's filters and this game is so trashed what's the point? I'm going to vote for ottox, he's still my strongest scumread besides BM who everyone seems to be A OK with lurking like a boss then popping in for two seconds then popping back out. Same with freakin St Daniels I don't care that he was sick or whatever. Every game I'm in is ruined by lurkers. When ottox flips that means I'm lynched next. And then it's pretty much lylo according to gonzaw's earlier statement. I'm sorry, like I said earlier this is pretty much the second consecutive gamed I've ruined and I didn't even know I could ruin a game when I wasn't an alignment checker.
##vote: ottoxlol
I'm voting BM tomorrow. You're screwing us over by not helping. Get your shit together and contribute. There's got to be more people you think is scum besides ottox. Where's the cases you told us you'd post?! Giving up like the way you are is weak. If you think the game is "so trashed" than PLEASE request a replacement. If you want to prove your town then start giving us stuff to work with, not these "ohh pity me!" posts. Whatever, I already had a go at him. Why don't you join the discussion at hand instead of berating him like I already did? Because I think he's scum. If all he wants to do is complain about how bad he is then he should ask for a replacement. He's not helping town at all. And what discussion? The only thing you're doing is speculating. "If ottox is town, risen could be town or scum. Or ottox could be town and risen scum herpderp." ^^is not discussion. I'll join the discussion when it starts benefiting town, not spamming the thread with uselessness. You're an idiot. I have specifically asked for feedback on the issue of Risen making a case on Ottoxlol when he very much didn't have to. Answer the question. I've asked it more than once, stop just quoting little bits to make a stupid point.
Yes, I'm an idiot for pointing out how useless your herpderp conversation was.
I thought it was a pretty good case and it was the only thing that gave him townie points from me.
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On April 28 2012 09:33 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 09:22 johnnywup wrote:
Yeah ok, finding scum isn't a priority paqman. -_- Speculation is discussion. You guys are repeating the same discussion that's already been talked about. How is that helping the rest of us out? I never said finding scum isn't a priority, that's exactly what I want y'all to do instead of "it doesnt make sense why he would voteswitch?!?!". Speculation might be discussion but it's useless and doesn't help us in finding scum, especially if it's already been discussed. Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 09:24 marvellosity wrote:On April 28 2012 09:20 PaqMan wrote:On April 28 2012 09:11 marvellosity wrote:On April 28 2012 09:08 PaqMan wrote:On April 28 2012 08:38 Risen wrote:
Whatever I'm voting ottoxlol. I gave up when I realized it came out that we lost a second blue. Who else is there to make a case on? I already screwed us by completely screwing up yesterday b/c I'm horrible. I read through people's filters and this game is so trashed what's the point? I'm going to vote for ottox, he's still my strongest scumread besides BM who everyone seems to be A OK with lurking like a boss then popping in for two seconds then popping back out. Same with freakin St Daniels I don't care that he was sick or whatever. Every game I'm in is ruined by lurkers. When ottox flips that means I'm lynched next. And then it's pretty much lylo according to gonzaw's earlier statement. I'm sorry, like I said earlier this is pretty much the second consecutive gamed I've ruined and I didn't even know I could ruin a game when I wasn't an alignment checker.
##vote: ottoxlol
I'm voting BM tomorrow. You're screwing us over by not helping. Get your shit together and contribute. There's got to be more people you think is scum besides ottox. Where's the cases you told us you'd post?! Giving up like the way you are is weak. If you think the game is "so trashed" than PLEASE request a replacement. If you want to prove your town then start giving us stuff to work with, not these "ohh pity me!" posts. Whatever, I already had a go at him. Why don't you join the discussion at hand instead of berating him like I already did? Because I think he's scum. If all he wants to do is complain about how bad he is then he should ask for a replacement. He's not helping town at all. And what discussion? The only thing you're doing is speculating. "If ottox is town, risen could be town or scum. Or ottox could be town and risen scum herpderp." ^^is not discussion. I'll join the discussion when it starts benefiting town, not spamming the thread with uselessness. You're an idiot. I have specifically asked for feedback on the issue of Risen making a case on Ottoxlol when he very much didn't have to. Answer the question. I've asked it more than once, stop just quoting little bits to make a stupid point. Yes, I'm an idiot for pointing out how useless your herpderp conversation was. I thought it was a pretty good case and it was the only thing that gave him townie points from me.
Yeah, because I see you doing some fricking stellar scumhunting right now instead.
Oh no wait, you're not, you're just criticising and not doing anything consctructive. My bad.
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On April 28 2012 09:32 Ottoxlol wrote:
Why are we still talking about this me+Risen thing? lynching me will give all the information you need about Risen, you can discuss it next day. Talk about other stuff. This discussion leads nowhere and useless. We won't find any scum with it.
Okay. Who are your top 4 scum reads and why?
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On April 28 2012 07:19 Ottoxlol wrote:BM on MGalso this post Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 14:28 MidnightGladius wrote:
I haven't been giving this game the attention I should, between cohosting, work, and term papers. I can see that my play this game was been really lacking, and I just haven't been feeling my reads. I've been hedging my posts, because I honestly haven't felt the same kind of conviction with my cases.
That said, mislynching me will cost us the game. You're just going to have to trust me. The fact that a bunch of townies have been pushing for me is disheartening, but I'm sure that you will find scum trying to hammer me today. I have no idea why would anyone trust you because you say so. Excuses also doesnt help the scumhunt, I think no one cares about food poisoning or cat funerals. ##vote MidnightGladiusBK started posting some weird stuff, hes voting St. Daniel for ninjavoting, but BM ninjavoted d1 too and he did not mention it at all. ghost and Sentinel doesnt want to engage in the debate of other possibilities then I am a scum. no one can be 100% sure so the discussion must be on even if they vote me, so when I flip green we will have information
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Ottoxlol's posting has been annoyingly pro-town recently
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On April 28 2012 07:17 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 04:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Right now, this is what I think on MG - if Ottoxlol flips red, then it's pretty obvious MG was trying to silence layabout who was pointing out 2-3 scums. Layabout was the one who pushed the Brood-Risen-Otto-scum triumvirate the hardest, and MG kinda just backs away from the ordeal at the end: On April 26 2012 09:03 MidnightGladius wrote:
At least all of those votes moving around at the deadline should yield something interesting. And that's our 4-man scumteam. GG If the triumvirate would be scum why on earth scum MG would say that?
I took MG's post to be kinda observing, as if a chessmaster pulled some sort of elaborate trap on his opponent, then re-emerged in the audience with a fake moustache to say "That guy fell into a really elaborate trap!" Except it's not that elaborate. And the fake moustache doesn't seem to be working.
@marv's case on risen I really think it was a bus to try and distance himself from Ottoxlol and decided to come back to his rescue. Back in Werewolves (was it?) I was scum, and our original plan between the 3 of us was to take polar opposite viewpoints so in case one of us went down it wouldn't lead back to the other two, in case immediately.
I still can't explain though, why he would come to Otto's rescue if both were scum. This is fishy. Although now he's voting on his buddy to make amends?
Or are they all turning on each other so we don't hit all 4 of them?
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