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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
April 27 2012 08:50 GMT
#1701
Clarifying, iGrok posted incorrect information in the Night Post, Mementoss was a Tracker. Thank you
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
April 27 2012 09:43 GMT
#1702
ofak, 1 blue left.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
April 27 2012 09:46 GMT
#1703
Risen. Brood. Otto. I want one of them to die today. Preferably Ottoxlol since they were protecting him, he has the reddest read of the three, and having one less goon in the game would surely be nice.

##Vote: Ottoxlol
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 27 2012 10:20 GMT
#1704
GG
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 27 2012 10:27 GMT
#1705
I'm going to sleep. Will look through Mt's filter tomorrow to see if he was trying to point something out to us from his night 1 tracking result.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 27 2012 10:30 GMT
#1706
On April 27 2012 19:27 Risen wrote:
I'm going to sleep. Will look through Mt's filter tomorrow to see if he was trying to point something out to us from his night 1 tracking result.


Um, we want youir best cases and reads as promised first
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
April 27 2012 11:39 GMT
#1707
GG GL Town - I expected this to happen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
April 27 2012 13:21 GMT
#1708
I have reconsidered my opinion. We should lynch ottox today 100%.

If he flips scum, we get almost confirmed scum in Risen and like 75% scum in Brood.

If he flips town, Risen is confirmed as being confused townie or REALLY REALLY stupid scum. Idk what this means for brood.

Either way, we kinda direct the scum team with this and I firmly believe we also have a high chance of hitting a goon in Ottox if he is scum. This is our best course of action.

##vote: Ottoxlol
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 27 2012 14:23 GMT
#1709
Alright, a post of where I'm at today and what I plan to be doing this evening. When I'm home from work this evening, I want to be looking hard at Ottoxlol (as a likely lynch today), Risen (vote last night, but also he has had significant cases against him), and MidnightGladius (layabout's testament if you will).

But before this, the lurker problem. Let's go.

BroodkingEXE: Spoilered below is his one significant post over the last few days.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 26 2012 02:19 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Marvel It seems like your posting has gotten a lot better since you started so I am going to take my scum suspicions off you. I still have mixed feelings on your scattershot accusations, but they seem to be based off real facts. You asked me about
Zephirdd/Sentinel/Ottoxlol. Out of the three of them I find Zephirdd pretty scummy, his last minute vote seemed rushed to me as if he was a Mafia trying to jump a bandwagon. Regardless of the fact that he mistimed the vote he made a post like this:

Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 07:53 Zephirdd wrote:
Oh it seems I have an hour still. Will reconsider.

I see this post as quite scummy, what does he mean by will reconsider? That statement leads me to believe that he bandwagoned the vote(which he in fact admitted) and is trying to set up a situation where he can say that the vote was rushed later.

Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 09:53 Zephirdd wrote:
because it's fun to create a scumlist prior doing any analysis or whatsoever,
MidnightGladius
marvellosity
PaqMan
--insert unknown scum here--
List done out of pure feelings and zero evidence or analysis and should not be taken seriously at all

Also, may I remind you that my vote was completely and ultimately worthless, as in, even if I didn't vote VE would die. Also, keep this in your mind: if I knew VE was going to die already, and if I already knew he was a JK(as in, if I was scum), why the fuck would I instantly jump right at the deadline and put a worthless vote on him when I could simply vote, say, marvellosity?

Suddenly, I'm not looking that bad anymore, am I?

Also I agree with BMurray being vigged. I'm not sure if he is town or scum, but it would be better if he just died and we didn't had to care about him anymore.

This post is also very scummy, what is the point of creating a scum list based on no evidence? He says not to take it seriously, but then why did he post it? He then says that he would have put his vote on marvel, one of the people on this "emotion-based" scum list, seems pretty fishy to me. He easily could have made a scumslip, and is trying to make up a hypothetical situation which makes him look better.

He then flips around the idea of him making a case/analysis, and proceeds to say that he doesn't need to make a strong case against anyone. Recently he has been using more of his hypothetics to convince people to not vote for him. This is WIFOM reasoning and leads me to believe he is trying to mislead the town. I only see one useful post (the one about his reads on the town), but it even has a lot of unsupported conlclusions and blatant contradictions.

I'll have my thoughts on Uon and Ottoxol in my next post.


Where he calls Zephirdd scummy without apparently being sure. This is to be followed by his last-minute vote on Zephirdd that layabout absolutely hated. Also as noted before he promised us his thoughts on Sentinel and gave us nothing. Need more atm.

St. Daniel: Mr Lurky himself. Food poisoning or not, I will requote my earlier post, spoilered below, showing how he posted 3 times in another game and 0 in this one despite promising to:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 25 2012 21:04 marvellosity wrote:
First of all - sorry if you were ill, that sucks. Nonetheless I will point this out

Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 11:29 St.Daniel wrote:
Sorry guys. To make a long story short, I was retarded and I had food poisoning. I sincerely apology. I'll try my best to dedicate to this games.


This post in no way explains the post below. You were well enough to post at 3 distinct times in a different game yesterday yet not at all in this one. Excuse or not, that is still dodgy.

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On April 24 2012 22:40 marvellosity wrote:
Also, I don't want this to get lost on St. Daniel.

On April 22 2012 16:44 St.Daniel wrote:
I do have a case for Marv and I'm not sure how I feel about Ghost, but it's 3:40 and I'm dead tired. I'll post tomorrow on those two so please understand.


Bold is my emphasis.

On April 23 2012 08:58 St.Daniel wrote:

On April 23 2012 11:11 St.Daniel wrote:

On April 23 2012 11:41 St.Daniel wrote:


The three timestamps above are his posting in SNMN X. But absolutely nothing here since the first post I quoted. Promise to post, then doesn't post, despite clearly being online at various other times the next day.



Further this we have a ninja and hitherto totally unexplained vote on Zephirdd. Anyway, we have a bunch of totally meaningless posts from him of late.

On April 25 2012 11:29 St.Daniel wrote:
Sorry guys. To make a long story short, I was retarded and I had food poisoning. I sincerely apology. I'll try my best to dedicate to this games.


Alright, although as mentioned it didn't explain the inconsistency in my spoilered post.

On April 25 2012 11:55 St.Daniel wrote:
Show nested quote +
thinking about it, I retract my previous statement about marvellosity. For now.

Why are you retracting your statement? What made you think that your previous analysis on Marvellosity was lacking or invalid? There must be a reason why you are not as sure as you were before. Also, "for now?" Do you still think Marv is a scum?

PS - I'm trying to get back into the game.


Ok, asking Zephirdd about his stance on me, fair enough I guess. Again mentioning how he's trying to get back into the game.

On April 27 2012 08:51 St.Daniel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 07:42 johnnywup wrote:
i dont think anyone persons flip confirms any other person as scum or town, it may increase odds but i don't think that that should be a basis for getting reads on people -.-


I agree. We should also consider who someone voted with. For sample, if 2 or more people casted the lynch vote on same person for multiple lynches, thst's something we need to take a look at. Note that my theory doesn't work 100% of times but it is something to think about.


Speculation that doesn't actually help anything.

On April 27 2012 08:56 St.Daniel wrote:
What's up, Paqman


Wow. Glad he posted this nugget of wisdom.

On April 27 2012 09:07 St.Daniel wrote:
Alright. It seems I'm back before BM.

This is what happened: I was playing two games of mafia like a total idiot and I got a food poisoning on Monday. I was sick as a dog for a couple days and I had dropped the other game because I just couldn't keep up. First and foremost, I apologize to all of you for being inactive. It was all my fault to join two games at the same time. I've learned my lesson. Also I'm so grateful to iGrok for correcting me of my mistake and understanding of my situation.


YET ANOTHER POST apologising for his absence. If he spent half the bloody time scumhunting as apologising we might be getting somewhere. But no.

On April 27 2012 12:26 St.Daniel wrote:
It's ok, iGrok. I hope your job interview went well. I swear I didn't think Mementoss would die. Also, we don't have Vig? That's rather unfortunate, because we spent good chunk of first day talking about it (leading up to VE's claim). My guess are now MG, Sentinel, Mattchew and PaqMan.


More wishy washy crap on job interview, Mementoss dieing, vigi, followed by totally unsubstantiated finger pointing.
And still absolutely no explanation of his vote on Zephirdd.

No, I don't like any of this at all. I'm very much leaning scum on him at the moment.

Bill Murray: the 'wildcard' as it were. Bad vote and explanation on VE day 1. 'Had a busy life' day 2. Alright alright. But at some point he needs to start contributing with actual cases.

Janaan: My only lurky person who I'm leaning on the town-side of null. I'd simply like to hear a lot more from him.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 27 2012 14:28 GMT
#1710
marv your whole argument is that he doesn't say anything with his post, which I can say about your argument against him too. you're "commentating" his posts but you're not making an actual argument on why he's scum
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 27 2012 14:35 GMT
#1711
On April 27 2012 23:28 johnnywup wrote:
marv your whole argument is that he doesn't say anything with his post, which I can say about your argument against him too. you're "commentating" his posts but you're not making an actual argument on why he's scum


He's saying absolutely nothing. He has completely blanked the fact that he posted 3 times in another game on a day and not in this one. He has completely blanked and failed to explain his vote on Zephirdd. He's giving a list of scum without any reasoning at all. What more do you want me to say?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
April 27 2012 15:56 GMT
#1712
Hey guys, let's lynch Ottoxlol.

##vote ottoxlol
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
April 27 2012 17:43 GMT
#1713
forgot to actually vote ottox in voting thread
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
April 27 2012 17:54 GMT
#1714
Finished looking through Uon's posts my thoughts are that he is providing good responses, but is including lots of stuff we dont need. I don't see his information being helpful as just neccessary responses to avoid being lynched or WIFOM reasoning. He hasn't made any big accusations, but seems to be putting down the posts of others without a purpose. Gonna look more into St. Daniels, Oxttolol, and BM before I make my vote.
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
April 27 2012 18:00 GMT
#1715
OMG. St. Daniels voted for Zeph without posting in this thread or using reasoning. If he was town he would have provided some sort of reason or even a vote in the thread.
##Vote: St. Daniels
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 27 2012 18:36 GMT
#1716
On April 28 2012 03:00 BroodKingEXE wrote:
OMG. St. Daniels voted for Zeph without posting in this thread or using reasoning. If he was town he would have provided some sort of reason or even a vote in the thread.
##Vote: St. Daniels


I agree completely. Which is why ##vote MidnightGladius

jk, back from classes. Gimme a while since I'm playing eve atm
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 27 2012 18:54 GMT
#1717
I don't like this push on ottox. he may be scum but i don't think his lynch is beneficial today tbh. this feels like a scum attempt to push a lynch.

On April 28 2012 03:00 BroodKingEXE wrote:
OMG. St. Daniels voted for Zeph without posting in this thread or using reasoning. If he was town he would have provided some sort of reason or even a vote in the thread.
##Vote: St. Daniels


yeah we know but his flip isn't going to help us catch other scum

On April 28 2012 03:36 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 03:00 BroodKingEXE wrote:
OMG. St. Daniels voted for Zeph without posting in this thread or using reasoning. If he was town he would have provided some sort of reason or even a vote in the thread.
##Vote: St. Daniels


I agree completely. Which is why ##vote MidnightGladius

jk, back from classes. Gimme a while since I'm playing eve atm


what do you mean jk? you don't think mg is scum?


also neither of you posted your vote in the voting thread. . .
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
April 27 2012 19:01 GMT
#1718
On April 28 2012 03:54 johnnywup wrote:
I don't like this push on ottox. he may be scum but i don't think his lynch is beneficial today tbh. this feels like a scum attempt to push a lynch.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 28 2012 03:00 BroodKingEXE wrote:
OMG. St. Daniels voted for Zeph without posting in this thread or using reasoning. If he was town he would have provided some sort of reason or even a vote in the thread.
##Vote: St. Daniels


yeah we know but his flip isn't going to help us catch other scum

On April 28 2012 03:36 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 03:00 BroodKingEXE wrote:
OMG. St. Daniels voted for Zeph without posting in this thread or using reasoning. If he was town he would have provided some sort of reason or even a vote in the thread.
##Vote: St. Daniels


I agree completely. Which is why ##vote MidnightGladius

jk, back from classes. Gimme a while since I'm playing eve atm


what do you mean jk? you don't think mg is scum?


also neither of you posted your vote in the voting thread. . .


Johnnywup, this post is so scummy, I can't even stand it.

You state "he may be scum" and "i don't think his lynch is beneficial to us today" in the same sentence.

Protip: Lynching scum is always beneficial to town.

If you think he's not scum, prove it instead of making baseless and contradictory comments.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 27 2012 19:19 GMT
#1719
Stop trying to put blame on me. That quote isn't scummy at all. I'm unsure about his alignment so I don't think his lynch will be good today. The statements aren't contradictory at all. I meant it in the sense that he may or may not be scum, not the matter-of-fact saying "even though he's scum". If you think ottox is scum, prove it. as far as i'm concerned your vote is super scummy, with no argument at all.

On April 28 2012 00:56 ghost_403 wrote:
Hey guys, let's lynch Ottoxlol.

##vote ottoxlol

Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
April 27 2012 19:23 GMT
#1720
On April 28 2012 04:19 johnnywup wrote:
Stop trying to put blame on me. That quote isn't scummy at all. I'm unsure about his alignment so I don't think his lynch will be good today. The statements aren't contradictory at all. I meant it in the sense that he may or may not be scum, not the matter-of-fact saying "even though he's scum". If you think ottox is scum, prove it. as far as i'm concerned your vote is super scummy, with no argument at all.

Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 00:56 ghost_403 wrote:
Hey guys, let's lynch Ottoxlol.

##vote ottoxlol


Have you been reading the thread?
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