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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 23 2012 23:42 GMT
#896
Also, can someone please look at my post on Zephirdd? I don't want it ignored.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 23 2012 23:42 GMT
#897
On April 24 2012 08:42 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 08:40 Mementoss wrote:
On April 24 2012 08:39 marvellosity wrote:
On April 24 2012 08:07 Mementoss wrote:
Marv I initially thought this was the case too, but I realized he just took his vote off to make himself look concerned. And ultimately, he put that vote back there with tonnes of showing of why it was a bad idea at the end of the thread, by me Risen and Mattchew. Still looking weird in my eyes.


You've said this twice now, so I'm going to call you up on it. Here is my filter for the voting thread.

On April 22 2012 09:35 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: VisceraEyes




Why would you do something in the thread but not the voting thread just to screw me up?


I was wrong. I was sure last night while we were in the thread, you said ##Unvote and then said, can someone convince me why lynching BM is better than VE


Apology accepted.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 23 2012 23:46 GMT
#899
So you were planning on making a case against someone as you said, in case you make a long list of meh comments, including calling two different people scummy?

Upon further analysis you thought I was scum? What, where I was making extremely similar points to you and was similarly bemused that we were going to save a rage-quitting no-sense claimer?

If that's your defence, then it sucks, and you are still scummy
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 23 2012 23:47 GMT
#901
On April 24 2012 08:46 johnnywup wrote:
I think the "Sorry, your case is weak. Too weak. And when a case is so weak, it is usually wrong. Food for thought." was referring to me and my case against him, marv


Sigh, it's called sarcasm/irony dear.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 23 2012 23:48 GMT
#903
I'm glad you ignore my posts and continue to further your fabulous case, BH.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 24 2012 00:02 GMT
#916
Why not layabout? re zeph
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 24 2012 00:07 GMT
#922
On April 24 2012 09:06 layabout wrote:
He seemed unsure of himself.

At the time of voting VE i was unsure of myself because his play made next to no sense as either alignment*. It was his refusal to answer questions that was the eventual tipping point for me.

It seems that this was also the case for zeph.

*Also that is why i hate these it makes no sense as mafia arguments. It made no sense as town either, we shouldn't give a player the benefit of the doubt for being anti-town.


Right layabout. But my case basically hinged on how he acted after he voted for VE, not before.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 24 2012 00:22 GMT
#930
On April 24 2012 09:18 layabout wrote:
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On April 24 2012 09:07 marvellosity wrote:
On April 24 2012 09:06 layabout wrote:
He seemed unsure of himself.

At the time of voting VE i was unsure of myself because his play made next to no sense as either alignment*. It was his refusal to answer questions that was the eventual tipping point for me.

It seems that this was also the case for zeph.

*Also that is why i hate these it makes no sense as mafia arguments. It made no sense as town either, we shouldn't give a player the benefit of the doubt for being anti-town.


Right layabout. But my case basically hinged on how he acted after he voted for VE, not before.

I think nearly everything you have quoted reinforces the notion that he was unsure of himself, and it does not change my opinion of him by much.

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part of marvellosity's case
Alright, good. The second half of his filter is a goldmine though. He flip-flops in so many ways against me I'm having problem formatting it. Let's give it a go. Somewhat before the deadline:

On April 23 2012 08:38 Zephirdd wrote:
Although I'm tempted to switch my "lastmin" vote(which seems to not be last min at all) to marv after what Risen pointed out. Ofc there is also the general reasons to vote him as pointed out earlier as well.



Ok, here we have tacit support for BH's case. He then kinda retracts it shortly after

On April 23 2012 08:46 Zephirdd wrote:

Also, I'm skimming through marv's filter and I don't see anything glaring in particular, yet that marv/midnight "scumslip"(pointed out by Risen) is very interesting. It could be a coincidence, it could be what Risen said.



So generally a null read now, and then ANOTHER mention of the Risen observation (MG and I asking for deadline times almost simultaneously). Fair enough, let's continue. His next post contained the following 'accident':

He says he is tempted to switch, he says that people have pointed out reasons to vote for you and mention's risen.

Presumably he then goes and reads through your posts. He then concludes. "i don't see anything too bad except the scumslip Risen pointed out" but he doesn't seem to be sure of it.

I fail to see how this makes zeph scummy.


And now again he's sure, because I went after VE. He's sure, unsure, unsure, sure, unsure. He's not making a case against anyone. Marv is guilty then he isn't then he is then he isn't then he is. Oh, and MG might be guilty coz he kinda doesn't like his posts. Oh and jdub too, let's omgus him a little. Wishy washy scum.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 24 2012 09:52 GMT
#1035
On April 24 2012 13:12 MidnightGladius wrote:
Zephirdd's behavior throughout the night, along with his continued attempts to justify his earlier play, reinforce my earlier scumread on him. I haven't looked at Sentinel in as much detail.

That said, I still think that you're scum, johnny. You have zeph as your strongest scumread, but refuse to vote for him, and ask for town consensus first, when we've just started the day, and you have the most time to convince others? You have yet to actually push your own scumreads, outside of your earlier sheeping. Your unwillingness to actually put your vote where your voice is very suspicious, and I think that you're trying to gently push for a bandwagon without actually committing. This behavior is just like zeph's list earlier, which is why I'm of the opinion that you're bussing him.

##Vote: johnnywup

Oh, and BJ, do you still insist on tunneling marv?


MG - I'd really like an answer to the points I raised in my answer to sloosh about you (others have raised it too)

I'm sure I'm not the only one with a comment written down on you like mine - "MidnightGladius seemed townie but very odd VE voter shenanigans"

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On April 24 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 05:34 slOosh wrote:
Marv: thoughts on MidnightGladius and Zephirdd


I'll make a separate post on Zephirdd, as it is I've just gone over MG's filter so a few of my thoughts.

Might as well start with the bit about me. His vote for me after BH's case and subsequent withdrawal of his vote after I continued posting seemed genuine. It is basically what I expect from a rational player.

His case against johnny seems solid. I liked that he wasn't wishy washy about it, and the fact he subsequently tried to push it a little when there was little support also seemed genuine.

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On April 23 2012 07:45 MidnightGladius wrote:

I still think that johnny is the best scum candidate at the moment, and that it's not too late to make it happen. His defense against my allegation of sheeping was to acknowledge that he was sheeping and claim that he's a bad player. How in the world are we just letting that slide?


There is something strange about his posts on the VE issue. Is VE and his claim scummy?

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On April 23 2012 07:45 MidnightGladius wrote:

I would also be okay with lynching VE based on his complete unwillingness to continue playing, even though I'm hesitant to lynch a D1 jailkeeper claim, ridiculously scummy play or not.



Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 09:19 MidnightGladius wrote:
..... I can't believe we just let that happen.

In order of voting time. I wonder how many scum were on VE's lynch? Tomorrow, we're taking a long hard look at Zephirdd.


Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 12:44 MidnightGladius wrote:

I found VE's play to be ridiculously scummy


Yes, apparently it is. Although he can't believe how town let the ridiculously scummy guy die. MG asks how town let this happen, with a sense of righteous indignation. But, given he's supposedly 'town' himself, what did he do about it?:

Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 12:44 MidnightGladius wrote:
I was still uncertain about VE, so I didn't hound other players to stop voting for him.


So the question then - why was he willing to blame the rest of the non-VE voters for allowing the VE lynch when he wasn't willing to take action himself? Is it because he in fact tacitly supported it?

Quick summary: reasonable vote and rescind on me. Reasonable case on jdub without being wishy washy. Some pretty dodgy stuff with the VE vote.
I really don't like how he's shown he wants to gun for VE voters when he himself called VE ridiculously scummy and also did nothing to prevent the VE lynch.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 24 2012 12:12 GMT
#1052
Different tack Ottoxlol: other than BJ, who do you think is scum and why?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 24 2012 12:29 GMT
#1062
On April 24 2012 21:17 Mattchew wrote:
Ottox lynch is fine for tommorrow today we should lynch confirmed scum in bm


Mattchew: I would like you to elaborate a little. Why is BM confirmed scum? He's been posting more actively since Day 1.

I also think both Zephirdd and Sentinel make better lynches than Ottox. What do you think of these?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 24 2012 12:37 GMT
#1065
On April 24 2012 21:35 Mattchew wrote:
He ninja voted the most well known scum hunter in the game... To me that's like saying hi I'm
Scum lynch me... And he hasn't said anything of value if you think he has you are reading something I'm not


I asked more than one question.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 24 2012 13:34 GMT
#1071
Is Ottoxlol actually a newb? My current read is that he's playing newb town. Of course if he's actually experienced at all it's a different kettle of fish.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 24 2012 13:40 GMT
#1073
Also, I don't want this to get lost on St. Daniel.

On April 22 2012 16:44 St.Daniel wrote:
I do have a case for Marv and I'm not sure how I feel about Ghost, but it's 3:40 and I'm dead tired. I'll post tomorrow on those two so please understand.


Bold is my emphasis.

On April 23 2012 08:58 St.Daniel wrote:

On April 23 2012 11:11 St.Daniel wrote:

On April 23 2012 11:41 St.Daniel wrote:


The three timestamps above are his posting in SNMN X. But absolutely nothing here since the first post I quoted. Promise to post, then doesn't post, despite clearly being online at various other times the next day.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 24 2012 14:26 GMT
#1078
On April 24 2012 23:19 Mattchew wrote:
Oh right... Forgot about st Daniel... Yeah we need to lynch him too if a vig doesn't get to shooting


Yup, we can't forget the lurkers. Especially ones with broken promises like St. Daniel.

Speaking of lurkers, BroodkingEXE - what do you think of current lynch favourites, Zephirdd/Sentinel/Ottoxlol?
Or do you still think I'm scum, and if so why?

We need to hear from you.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 24 2012 14:26 GMT
#1079
Ninja'd by Mementoss :x
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 24 2012 14:50 GMT
#1083
On April 24 2012 23:31 ghost_403 wrote:
Also, I'm in tears because now, even if Marv does flips town, I might not get to see blzinghand eat his hat T_T


I don't believe his statement included 'unless I get mod-killed or die'. So, we will still get us some hat-eating.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 24 2012 16:10 GMT
#1088
On April 25 2012 00:57 Ottoxlol wrote:
Ok, post it when you got it drawn. I feel like the pressure is on me because I did not make any useful post d2, and i feel its really unfair when no one really did so.

I am thinking on the line of who should we lynch that gives us info. VE wagon seemed like a good start to look at, I made 3 pairs who seems to defend each other/attack the same persons. If we lynch anyone from that we can get information about the other half of the pair.


Because we're looking for you to actually have/push a scumread at this point, rather than wishy-washy connections that may or may not mean something and aren't even accurate, e.g.

laya attacking marv, defending zeph

I don't see layabout attacking me at any point, in fact he was one of the most vocal critics of BJ for his case on me. layabout just wasn't sure of my case on Zephirdd.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 24 2012 16:23 GMT
#1090
On April 25 2012 01:22 Ottoxlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 00:21 layabout wrote:
##Vote marvellosity
get posting or die
check out the
+ Show Spoiler [case] +
CASE!
[image loading]



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On April 22 2012 02:44 layabout wrote:
I think marvel looks bad because he was around in the first couple of hours of the game, he was willing to make comments in the thread but he was unwilling to share an opinion. Every player should have an opinion about what is best, and the only players who would fear to share them are mafia, since telling and possibly helping town to do what you think is best for town is not in your best interests.




That was 3 days ago.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 24 2012 16:27 GMT
#1091
EBWOP: ok - I was incorrect when I said 'at any point' - my apologies for that.

But with regards to any recent posting, your line doesn't make much sense.
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