EPTSo far on BM I see - lurking + ninja post
On VE I see everything that has been listed by me and others already.
Are people really convinced that the JK claim is powerful enough to trump his ragequitting and move to BM instead? If so why?
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So far on BM I see - lurking + ninja post On VE I see everything that has been listed by me and others already. Are people really convinced that the JK claim is powerful enough to trump his ragequitting and move to BM instead? If so why? | ||
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On April 23 2012 08:37 Mementoss wrote: I would say unless you are super confident VE would flip scum than BM is a better lynch. BM - useless lurker that people are going to be wondering about all game. If he doesn't flip scum he flips Vanilla. VE - If he doesnt flip scum he flips JK. So how do we resolve the VE situation given he's basically not playing? What do we do with him tomorrow? | ||
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On April 23 2012 08:42 Mementoss wrote: Do you honestly believe he won't come back to play? At least to the point more than BM? I expect if he doesn't get lynched he will come back to his active self. Not 100% sure though, since he never came back to give new stances on anything. Think about this though. IF VE was scum, when the voting was getting this close, wouldn't he most definitly be back to change his vote? I mean if he was scum he would be responsible for losing 25% of his team and potentially half the KP. If he came back just to change his vote when the vote was close then that is simply claiming and confirming he's scum. | ||
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could anybody quickly tell me whether at the time of VE's claim it looked like he was under serious pressure of a lynch? | ||
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As it is, he was under pressure, so a desperation move followed by a rage-quit when people objected to it. I think the weight of evidence on VE is simply greater than that on BM, so I'm going to keep my vote where it is. | ||
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On April 23 2012 08:52 Zephirdd wrote: The simple fact that people are defending him right now makes it justifiable as scum. The fact that he didn't give us anything to work on in the event of his lynch(ie a fucking case or a simple "I think X is scum") makes no sense from JK pov. hence it's scummy as fuck. This, it's just fucking inexcusable from a townie point of view. | ||
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On April 23 2012 09:16 Zephirdd wrote: Okay, whoever thinks what he did was reasonable should also rethink a little. I"m not taking blame for that either; it was VE's own play that did that. His claim made no sense and he did us the favor of not posting the freaking case against him. I'm all into a marv. lynch for the next day given how bad he wanted VE dead. I mean seriously, his latest posts were like a dog drooling at a piece of meat. Yuh, must be terrible standing your ground when you believe you're right. Of course scummy marv would push VE so openly and hard when it was getting clear he was going to be lynched regardless. Makes perfect sense now | ||
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On April 23 2012 23:21 johnnywup wrote: Why aren't we talking about this? BM comes in out of nowhere and says that he's a power role. What do you guys make of it? Fairly sure he was referring to VE, dearest | ||
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On March 15 2011 15:19 Incognito wrote: Even with some of the best players in TL mafia, nobody is going to be right 100% of the time. And as time goes on, you learn more information that may change your view of things. There are two general trends that townies make where they don't see the complete picture... The other extreme is where townies think they are so sure that player X is scum that they lock on and don't let go. This is an improvement over the wishy washiness, as mafia usually aren't this aggressive. Still, this isn't good. Usually it devolves into a flame war, wastes space etc. Unless you have some REALLY solid evidence on players, its not good to clog up the thread in your attempts to stomp your lynch target into oblivion. Bold is my emphasis. I would contend your entire case rests on a couple of one-liners and then me acting more townie which obviously makes me scum. If you're not gonna listen to me, listen to Incognito. | ||
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On April 24 2012 05:34 slOosh wrote: Marv: thoughts on MidnightGladius and Zephirdd I'll make a separate post on Zephirdd, as it is I've just gone over MG's filter so a few of my thoughts. Might as well start with the bit about me. His vote for me after BH's case and subsequent withdrawal of his vote after I continued posting seemed genuine. It is basically what I expect from a rational player. His case against johnny seems solid. I liked that he wasn't wishy washy about it, and the fact he subsequently tried to push it a little when there was little support also seemed genuine. On April 23 2012 07:45 MidnightGladius wrote: I still think that johnny is the best scum candidate at the moment, and that it's not too late to make it happen. His defense against my allegation of sheeping was to acknowledge that he was sheeping and claim that he's a bad player. How in the world are we just letting that slide? There is something strange about his posts on the VE issue. Is VE and his claim scummy? On April 23 2012 07:45 MidnightGladius wrote: I would also be okay with lynching VE based on his complete unwillingness to continue playing, even though I'm hesitant to lynch a D1 jailkeeper claim, ridiculously scummy play or not. On April 23 2012 09:19 MidnightGladius wrote: ..... I can't believe we just let that happen. In order of voting time. I wonder how many scum were on VE's lynch? Tomorrow, we're taking a long hard look at Zephirdd. Yes, apparently it is. Although he can't believe how town let the ridiculously scummy guy die. MG asks how town let this happen, with a sense of righteous indignation. But, given he's supposedly 'town' himself, what did he do about it?: On April 23 2012 12:44 MidnightGladius wrote: I was still uncertain about VE, so I didn't hound other players to stop voting for him. So the question then - why was he willing to blame the rest of the non-VE voters for allowing the VE lynch when he wasn't willing to take action himself? Is it because he in fact tacitly supported it? Quick summary: reasonable vote and rescind on me. Reasonable case on jdub without being wishy washy. Some pretty dodgy stuff with the VE vote. I really don't like how he's shown he wants to gun for VE voters when he himself called VE ridiculously scummy and also did nothing to prevent the VE lynch. | ||
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On April 24 2012 05:34 slOosh wrote: Marv: thoughts on MidnightGladius and Zephirdd Now I did MG, Zephirdd too. His filter mainly gets a bit more interesting in the second half. The first section of his filter he says a lot of the things I thought about the VE lynch. Namely stuff like: On April 23 2012 08:38 Zephirdd wrote: Yet you guys are doing exactly what a scum fake-claimer would want you to: just unvote him ezpz, he gave up the game and is being useless but hey he is JK amirite? "other scummy suspects" is subjective when I consider VE the scummiest after what has happened. I can't believe people are actually defending a martyring day 1 blue claimer that gave up, when his claim makes no fucking sense or whatsoever. On April 23 2012 08:56 Zephirdd wrote: May I remind you that he said himself that the reason to claim wasn't the pressure, but to stop a plan that wasn't going through. Which only makes his claim worse. Alright, good. The second half of his filter is a goldmine though. He flip-flops in so many ways against me I'm having problem formatting it. Let's give it a go. Somewhat before the deadline: On April 23 2012 08:38 Zephirdd wrote: Although I'm tempted to switch my "lastmin" vote(which seems to not be last min at all) to marv after what Risen pointed out. Ofc there is also the general reasons to vote him as pointed out earlier as well. Ok, here we have tacit support for BH's case. He then kinda retracts it shortly after On April 23 2012 08:46 Zephirdd wrote: Also, I'm skimming through marv's filter and I don't see anything glaring in particular, yet that marv/midnight "scumslip"(pointed out by Risen) is very interesting. It could be a coincidence, it could be what Risen said. So generally a null read now, and then ANOTHER mention of the Risen observation (MG and I asking for deadline times almost simultaneously). Fair enough, let's continue. His next post contained the following 'accident': On April 23 2012 08:48 Zephirdd wrote: Now for instance, were VE really JK, this would make marvellosity look incredibly and extremely bad. Why? because fuck yes. Wow, so his 'inner' thoughts were that VE flipping JK would somehow make me look incredibly bad. What? This is despite him and I making practically identical points on VE on all counts. Again, what? It continues with On April 23 2012 09:16 Zephirdd wrote: I'm all into a marv. lynch for the next day given how bad he wanted VE dead. I mean seriously, his latest posts were like a dog drooling at a piece of meat. I've already posted how stupid it would be for scum to have been so vocally pushing the lynch near the deadline when it seemed fairly clear the lynch was going through anyway. Fine. But how badly I wanted him dead? I was simply around and active, making all the points I thought were strong (yes, sadly incorrect), and to reiterate all the points that he had made about VE as well. It's just unbelievably hypocritical. A quick segway back to where he TWICE comments on Risen's observation about MG and I posted about the deadline at about the same time, if I may. On April 23 2012 08:38 Zephirdd wrote: Although I'm tempted to switch my "lastmin" vote(which seems to not be last min at all) to marv after what Risen pointed out. On April 23 2012 08:46 Zephirdd wrote: Also, I'm skimming through marv's filter and I don't see anything glaring in particular, yet that marv/midnight "scumslip"(pointed out by Risen) is very interesting. It could be a coincidence, it could be what Risen said. On April 24 2012 08:02 Zephirdd wrote: Sorry, your case is weak. Too weak. And when a case is so weak, it is usually wrong. Food for thought. Hrrr. Ok, what do we have so far on Zephirdd's kinda-finger-pointing-at-marv. He doesn't see anything particularly scummy in my filter other than some supposed scumslip, but then he kinda wants to lynch me because I wanted VE dead for all the same reasons he did, I was just more vocal about it. For emphasis. On April 24 2012 08:02 Zephirdd wrote: Sorry, your case is weak. Too weak. And when a case is so weak, it is usually wrong. Food for thought. Lastly, he promises us a case on someone. Instead we get a load more wishy-washy finger-pointing. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 03:34 Zephirdd wrote: K I was planning on making a case on someone But then I realized that there is no point in making a case right now. Instead, I'll just post whatever the fuck is flowing in my mind about the game. MG strikes scummy to me. I don't know how he switched out of marvellosity into "I think lynching marv would be a terrible mislynch" so easily; especially when marvellosity's posting hasn't been that better. Oh, and I have to be honest here: I was willing to yell OH MY GOD YOU SUCK when he decided I should be lynched tomorrow, given everything that happened. He saw the easy lynch target in me after my "last minute" voting shit and decided it would be easy to push a wagon on me. Oh, and that way he switched out of marv makes me think he was just bussing him. johny strikes me as a bad town for sheeping the one guy that was voting him. This or MG is town and john is a scared scum; But to be honest he hasn't made much bad on the game so I can't really call him scum; hence 'bad town'. In fact, not even bad, just one bad move tbh. marvellosity has not made an actual case and went to VE's wagon(along with me). Although this is forgivable, I don't like activity without substance. There is not one scum push made by marvellosity besides VE. He talks about how BH is tunneling him, yet all he did was to talk about VE without caring about making connections or anything. Even now, he is caring about a worthless defense when he should be genuinely attacking someone. Yeah scum StDaniel inactivity is sad and I don't know if I should call him scum or not; when he has posted on another game(as pointed by someone else), that makes me think he is actually scum afraid of posting - very common considering it's his first TL game. Bill Murray sounds like a Kenpachi/Palmar mix. Fuck day 1, day 2 is where the action is at eh? At very least he hasn't been disruptive so far. Wouldn't mind a vig shot if he will keep playing like that tho. Well, I *kinda* have other reads but they are all null or town/null so, there you have it. Ask Me Anything. Overall? Zephirdd is looking pretty bloody scummy | ||
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On April 24 2012 08:07 Mementoss wrote: Marv I initially thought this was the case too, but I realized he just took his vote off to make himself look concerned. And ultimately, he put that vote back there with tonnes of showing of why it was a bad idea at the end of the thread, by me Risen and Mattchew. Still looking weird in my eyes. You've said this twice now, so I'm going to call you up on it. Here is my filter for the voting thread. On April 22 2012 09:35 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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On April 24 2012 08:40 Mementoss wrote: Why would you do something in the thread but not the voting thread just to screw me up? Care to link me to the post I did that? | ||
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