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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 21 2012 03:16 GMT
#225
There will be a tracker on the GF, if person GF says they'll kill is killed but GF didn't move then they'd obviously be scum which results in gf dying. without a tracker this works too, we kill misfires the day after.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 21 2012 03:50 GMT
#228
Honestly, if a GF flips then don't much think about it. We won't be able to analyze it. The method gonzaw wants gives the ability for scum to kill the power roles we do need (tk, jk), so i don't like it. We have to focus on killing goons as they control the KP without thinking too much about the vig. After that it shouldn't be that hard.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 21 2012 04:13 GMT
#233
@gonzaw

but what stops actual gfs from doing the same thing? its stupid, because we still can't know.


I think you and VE are going at each other based on nothing.
Although:
I don't like you using someone elses meta to explain his behavior though. That's retarded.
I don't like his avoiding people asking him why JKs wouldnt co-operate. That's also retarded.

Although it may just be that VE just doesn't think JKs would co-operate even though they should. Lack of trust maybe.

Either way both of you are just attacking each other without that much actual substance. He's pressuring you, gonzaw, and you're over-reacting.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 21 2012 04:17 GMT
#235
i agree, i thought he was scummy even before you mentioned it but i didn't say anything because i wanted him to continue posting until he had more scummy posts so i could make a better argument on him.

Can we have filters added to op?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 21 2012 04:30 GMT
#242
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 21 2012 10:18 PaqMan wrote:
So what's the plan?

just stupid question without content when theres already stuff being discussed, isnt paying attention to where threads going

On April 21 2012 10:49 PaqMan wrote:
I like Gonzaw's idea of the vig's claiming. Only problem with that is that Scum will have a list of vig's and won't have to do any sniping..
So now that I think about it, I don't really like that idea at all lol.

Town can't keep assuming things this game. It'll make an ass out of u and me. We don't know how many of what roles there are and continuous speculation isn't going to help at all.

Agrees, disagrees, then says it's not even worth talking about


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On April 21 2012 11:30 PaqMan wrote:
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On April 21 2012 11:16 MidnightGladius wrote:
If we all agree for all vigs to claim, then this is what happens:

0 vig claims: There are no vigs. Simple enough.

1 vig claim: There is either 1 vig, or a scum faking the claim. We have the vig claim their shot. If the shot hits, and we have a tracker, we can keep tracking the vig claim, meaning that a fakeclaiming scum would never be able to shoot until the tracker died. If the shot doesn't hit, and the jailkeepers know not to jail the vig's target, then we have confirmed scum between the vig and the target. In this case, as long as the mafia team doesn't know the real role distribution, they can't risk fake-claiming. This is good for town.

2-3 vig claims: There are 0-3 vigs, and either no scum faking claims, or some number of them. Each vig claims and shoots a different target during Night 1. Day 2, we sort them into two groups based on whether or not their shots hit. If the shot hit, we set it aside, and we focus on the group whose shots didn't hit. For each such vig, either that player has no KP (therefore GF), or their target was a GF. We lynch both of them. Either they flip GF and townie (case 1) or GF and GF (case 2). In case 1, great, we can do normal analysis on the flipped GF. In case 2, we have to be a bit more careful, but it's still a 1-for-1 trade. If all of the shots hit, then we know that there are no actual GFs fakeclaiming, and any lynched non-vig-claim flipping GF is an actual GF.

4+ vig claims: There are 0-3 vigs, and some number of scum faking claims. We use the same plan as in the above case. However, if all of the shots hit, then in addition to there being no GFs in the group, we know that there are one or more goons among the group, which is awesome.

This is all assuming, of course, that any JKs follow the plan by not jailing any of the vig claims or their targets, but I think that that should be doable.

Additionally, scum have no incentive to shoot vig claims, because a night-killed "Godfather" can only be a vig, making it a lot easier for us to figure out lynched players flipping GF.

Gonzaw's points about preventing chaos during later vig claims/GF lynches is also quite valid. VE, I don't see what you don't like about the plan.


There's only 3 blue roles.


doesn't even read the posts he's talking about, (RTFT)


On April 21 2012 11:43 PaqMan wrote:
Woops, I'm sorry! Scarface is on tv and I'm trying to multitask. It isn't working out obviously, so I'll be back in about three hours.


excuses to stay away from thread, scarface is less than 3 hours so trying to get more time away than the movie provides


On April 21 2012 11:49 PaqMan wrote:
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On April 21 2012 11:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Paq he's talking about if there are more than 3 CLAIMS. If there are more than three CLAIMS then there's guaranteed to be a liar in the bunch, which is what he's saying.

Now go be a good lad and vote for gonzaw.


I'm not convinced that he made a scum slip. When he said "our" he could have been referring to whoever agreed with his points. I want to see what Gonzaw has to say about your accusation.


unwilling to take a stance despite responding to it, basically just says "wait for gonzaw to respond to it"


On April 21 2012 12:01 PaqMan wrote:
But I do agree with you VE. Giving scum any more info puts them in an even greater advantage over us. A mass vig claim would be the same as handing them a hit list.
some of gonzaw's points however are pretty valid (no late-game chaos with vig claiming before lynch, etc etc).

Either way, I can't see a vig following either one of y'alls policies.
He claims, town lynches him and nothing is gained.
He claims, chance of mafia taking him out or keeps him alive, either way there's chaos.

I suggest that our vigilante (if we have one) doesn't claim at all. If he's about to be lynched then he needs to defend himself as a normal townie because claiming vig is going to create a shitstorm for us, which gives scum the upper hand.
If he's going to use his kp one someone, he doesn't need to claim before or after the kill. It's going to create too much confusion and WIFOM and finger-pointing and shit.

So I think that vigilantes should not make any claims this game.



like you said, only argues for something that has already gained traction.




individually all these aren't that scummy but together it looks super scummy
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 21 2012 04:42 GMT
#247
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On April 21 2012 13:27 gonzaw wrote:
To Johnny:

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On April 21 2012 13:13 johnnywup wrote:
@gonzaw

but what stops actual gfs from doing the same thing? its stupid, because we still can't know.


Doing what?

Even if it were "pointless" (trust me it's not), having vigs NOT claim doesn't make anything better.
The pros of having vigs claim are better than them not claiming, and the cons may be the same regarding the GF flip (even though I think they are not).
So the cons are the same (again, I don't think they are, but let's assume them for the sake of the argument) but vigs claiming has more pros, so it's the better choice anyways.

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I don't like you using someone elses meta to explain his behavior though. That's retarded.


lol is that the only thing you've noticed from my post?
And it's not meta, it's scum behaviour.
Artanis' scum meta is barely posting until people accuse him. Him pointing out my "scumslip" has nothing to do with his meta, but with his behaviour.

Please read my accusation on him and post what you think about it.
You know, the one where he discredits my plan because of a retarded JK matter, where he FoSes me based on a stupid "scumslip" (which he should have known is stupid and doesn't matter at all) and therefore keeps discrediting my plan as well, and where he avoids discussing things people ask him, or where he tries to disrupt town (just pick anything from that post I made).

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He's pressuring you, gonzaw, and you're over-reacting.


He's FoSing, voting me and making 90% of his posts a reminder to other people to vote me, because of a "scumslip".
That's not pressure.


There's just as much uncertainty in vig claims as not claiming altogether. i read your whole post but that did stand out to me. I don't think VE is necessarily scum he's just giving his opinion like you are.

VE's been playing like blazinghand with his telling people who's scum gogo kill them. is BH scum when he does that? hes hardly ever been scum, so no he isn't. This whole thing reminds me of VE vs BH where both ended up being town. Both did scummy things admittedly but that doesn't make both scum. You tunnel so much on each other that you discount anything else.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 21 2012 22:29 GMT
#363
just finished catching up, some posts that caught my eye:


On April 22 2012 03:04 Risen wrote:
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On April 22 2012 02:54 layabout wrote:
Anybody feel like Risen is hustlin' us?


I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me.

##vote layabout

I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too.

Votes layabout for posting.... "Anyone feel like Risen is hustlin' us?". THE MOMENT he senses danger he votes. Seems pretty scummy to me.



On April 22 2012 04:02 St.Daniel wrote:
It's so fucking hard to keep up with everything when you are at a camp with a crappy internet connection XD
I've read everything and I can't conclude anything with a confident, but I do have some ideas based on my observation so far. I'll post again as soon as I put some of pieces together.

And there is no need to be hostile at each this early in game, because thst's EXACTLY what they (scum) want. As long as we keep expressing ideas without trying to bite each other's head off. Remember, keep it simple and clear. <3 TL.


Honestly this post is so fucking scummy it's ridiculous. What it boils down to is "I don't have any opinions, I haven't posted because of x excuse, people should post how I want them to, I know what scum wants". Fucking ridiculous.



On April 21 2012 23:00 PaqMan wrote:
BJ wtf did I just read. The only posts that made any sense was the one about the mass roleclaims and the fos on marvellosity, which I agree on.
I think he'd be a good candidate for a vigi shot.

I'm voting for mattchew. Dude's scummy as hell.

Also,

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 10:15 Bill Murray wrote:
We're not going to be able to outguess the mod based upon the numbers we sent in


That's his only post since the game has started. He'd be a good vigi shot as well.

##Vote: Mattchew

Brings up why BM is scum then votes mattchew. weird but not necessarily scummy.



Overall I think that the marv case was initially good but marv has shaped it up and I don't think is that scummy anymore.

I think [UoN] Sentinel is the scummiest and I will post a case on him in a bit.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 21 2012 23:24 GMT
#384
ottox stop giving everyone the benefit of the doubt. if hes not putting in the effort we hold him accountable to what effort he did put in.

BJ's 2nd case is much more compelling than the first, imo. he hasn't given scum reads or really SAID much at all. I agree marv is scummy scum.

##vote marvellosity
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 21 2012 23:43 GMT
#395
yes gonzaw i can in fact change my mind. I found my case on sentinel was subpar so i didn't post it. whats wrong with that?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 21 2012 23:50 GMT
#401
Make it better? I think the case was bad and I didn't have enough evidence to make it a good case. So get off me. I don't care what it makes me look like. If I have a bad case and I post it and people recognize that it's bad then that's worse. I'm being perfectly transparent that my case was bad. I don't have to post anything for you.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 22 2012 00:13 GMT
#418
On April 22 2012 09:11 ghost_403 wrote:
@paqman: I really don't understand why I have to waste my time responding to this, but here it goes.

That note stems directly from your "There can't be more than 3 vigs" comment. Apparently, it's because you were paying attention to something else. Okay, that's fine, whatever. Why do you keep bringing this up? Who cares? Stop watching TV while posting, and find scum. As a town, we have better things to do than discuss why you did something dumb.

why dont you find scum as well? all that you just said could be directed towards you
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 22 2012 00:24 GMT
#425
On April 22 2012 09:16 ghost_403 wrote:
@johnny: I did. I wanna lynch Sentinel. Wanna help me out?

I'd like to see your case. Because while I still think sentinel is fairly scummy I don't think the evidence in front of me proves anything about his alignment.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 22 2012 01:08 GMT
#446
yo sentinel


On April 15 2012 04:29 iGrok wrote:
PMs
PMs are not allowed in this game.

johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 22 2012 01:10 GMT
#449
On April 22 2012 09:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 08:50 johnnywup wrote:
Make it better? I think the case was bad and I didn't have enough evidence to make it a good case. So get off me. I don't care what it makes me look like. If I have a bad case and I post it and people recognize that it's bad then that's worse. I'm being perfectly transparent that my case was bad. I don't have to post anything for you.


Hell, I'll give you some points for honesty, but could you at least PM me the case? I'd like to know my charges. Let's see why Otto doesn't like me:


no, PMs=PMs.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 22 2012 03:33 GMT
#467
reminds me of macheji in bastard mafia
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 22 2012 04:36 GMT
#475
It took you 15 seconds to reconsider?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 22 2012 04:37 GMT
#477
paqman thats scummy of you. You spend all day saying why mattchew is scum and then you sheep him (note: i know its not completely sheeping). BM is definitely scummy but you spend all day saying why mattchew is scummy...why didn't you vote for him? ffs
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 22 2012 04:41 GMT
#481
thats gotta be the stupidest claim ever
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 22 2012 05:45 GMT
#512
VE why would you claim...if you're the only jailkeeper then you're going to be killed tonight.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 22 2012 06:36 GMT
#516
lol ottox, his reason is perfectly good. he's killed n1 every game as town pretty much
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