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johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 02 2012 00:41 GMT

#2150

Gut feelings can win games. Lynching townies doesn't win games. Not voting someone who ended up flipping town because your gut feeling told you that he was being mislynched isn't scummy, if you're calling my change scummy. Which I get the feeling you are.

You're soft pushing me as scum and that won't do. You're pushing me for not voting for a townie. How ridiculous is that?

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 02 2012 00:51 GMT

#2152

It's true, I did. If you actually read posts you'd see that I started liking his lynch less and less and less...even from the beginning I said that I thought it was suspicious that so many people were on him so early and I didn't like that. I still thought he was scum at that point. The more time went on without any switches off him I became less and less confident in him being scum until I felt almost certain it was a mislynch. Guess what, me thinking he was scum initially doesn't change anything. I didn't like his lynch and thats all there is to it.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 02 2012 01:17 GMT

#2154

Everyone had their mind set before that, Ghost. Nothing I could say was going to change it. People kept saying that Ottox would distract town until he was dead, which may be true or may not be true. What I do know is true is that no matter what I said Ottox would get lynched. In a way, he was lynched before the day even started. Sad truth.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 02 2012 01:31 GMT

#2156

I agree with Mattchew

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 02 2012 04:11 GMT

#2161

There's no specific post that points to BM being scum but all his posts together show that he hasn't done shit. Like I've said, look at his DF meta, he hunted scum at the very least. he was somewhat inactive but he hunted. this time he didn't.

Here's a bunch of funny quotes from BM, to help break the tension!
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On April 23 2012 16:32 Bill Murray wrote:
Oh, and Mattchew, the reason I play is because I love the game
Just because I like to coast by D1 sometimes doesn't mean I'm not going to be posting more on subsequent days. We're in the early phase. There is not a single game where I drastically help the town that I'm not wagonned d1, after all scum find me an easy mislynch.

You haven't drastically helped town.

On April 24 2012 06:48 Bill Murray wrote:

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adding marvellosity to my townreads on my power point with mattchew and that guy who asked to vig me
im going to have something for you guys tomorrow in terms of a dedicated post
see you all then

What a great reason to add someone as a townie to your spreadsheet!

On April 24 2012 14:32 Bill Murray wrote:

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This is good posting.

How?

On April 25 2012 09:07 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm happy lynching Ottox tomorrow. I have been really busy today, and I'm about 30 pages behind to be honest.

Excuses

On April 25 2012 09:08 Bill Murray wrote:
How have I not been scumhunting, Johnny? Read my iso.

Read it, didn't see any scumhunting

On April 27 2012 10:55 Bill Murray wrote:
I've had an important day in real life. Sorry I haven't been as active as I'd like.

If I do not make it into tomorrow, I would like to out my townreads:

Layabout
Mattchew
Mementoss
Janaan
Marvelosity
Paqman

Scum:
Ottoxlul
St.Daniel
JohnnyWup

Wow, thanks for your cases on such reads!

On April 29 2012 09:26 Bill Murray wrote:

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This town?
We're fucked.

Gee, thanks for your help!

On April 30 2012 11:28 Bill Murray wrote:
this town...
really?
I guess I can't complain, considering what I've been doing all game.

You don't say?

On May 02 2012 07:13 Bill Murray wrote:

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That's not true WHATSOEVER, and it a blatant misrepresentation of what is going on.
If you weren't trolling so much this game, and obv town, I would lynch you over policy for tunneling.
Ask me about anything that has happened this game, Matt

ok this post i actually have something to say about. He says mattchew is obv town. I've actually been seeing Matt as a bit redder lately with his lackluster posting. Since I think we should lynch BM tomorrow, when(/if, but im sure BMs scum) BM flips scum, we should look back at Mattchew.

On May 02 2012 07:23 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm going to kill Risen tonight, btw
I'm vig

On May 02 2012 07:32 Bill Murray wrote:
lol jk im green
mattchew is scum for not replying to me claiming vig

lol what

On May 02 2012 07:40 Bill Murray wrote:
OTTOXLOL COME JOIN ME ON THIS WAGON
oops caps

you can change sign whats the point of saying oops caps? Unrelated to scumhunting but cmon BM

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 02 2012 22:32 GMT

#2164

I was wondering the same thing. No one was talking at all and bleh. Are you saying I've been sheeping BM? I don't think I've been sheeping at all. It's time to get rid of you, however, BM. You've been unhelpful and it's really frustrating. I won't even be unhappy if you flip town. It's frustrating scumhunting with someone like you around, someone that's so unhelpful it's hard not to think they're scum. I hope this is a wake up call to you to start playing and scumhunting and being generally helpful/productive.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 02 2012 23:00 GMT

#2166

Mattchew takin' it out of context. I'm expressing my frustration with how BM is playing. He's hindering towns progress if he is town.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 03 2012 00:00 GMT

#2169

Game ended early?

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 03 2012 00:03 GMT

#2172

Makes more sense. Ok, I'm assuming sentinel Jailed BM. I voted BM because I'm assuming that. If you didn't, sentinel, then please say so.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 03 2012 00:07 GMT

#2174

PS Risen:

On May 02 2012 09:27 Risen wrote:
Just a note. BK isn't the only reason I thought Sent was lying. Will post my other reasoning right before day post...

You didn't post reasoning before day post. What gives?

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 03 2012 00:45 GMT

#2179

Ok give me a minute to think about this. Wow.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 03 2012 00:59 GMT

#2186

On May 01 2012 07:57 Mattchew wrote:
ottox for sure, risen and brood/BM

this post made no sense to me seeing as it was right after day 4 began. This should be where you're pushing risen hardcore. But you're not. Which doesn't make sense.

I need to think things through for a while.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 03 2012 01:24 GMT

#2188

Explain this Matt.

On April 30 2012 09:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Now that's interesting.

Jailkeeper here. I jailed Otto, because, as I said, it felt more likely I could stop the shot. Although I still think Otto is red, he is not a goon, and as you can see, one of ours died last night.

What do we do now?

On April 30 2012 09:28 Mattchew wrote:
We lynch scum.

##vote ottoxlol

4 minutes later, Mattchew shows no sign of not believing. He responds as if he was unsurprised even. The fact of the matter is that he votes OTTOX right after the day begins. If you have a confirmed scum then you fucking vote him. I don't give a shit if you think he's connected to someone else. You lynch a 100% confirmed scum 100% of the time no matter what. And Matt didn't do that.

Not to mention that Sentinels pre-day post posting made way more sense with the claim than yours. They make sense leading up to his jailing of Ottox.

On April 27 2012 02:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Layabout's post w/ the timeframe seems to clear everything up for me. I still believe Monsieur Otto is scum, so I'll have an easy time believing all 3 of them are mafias. I could see some logic behind Brood being a townie and deliberately pressed for time, but unlikely.

The question is, if Otto is town, what would be the motives of Brood and Risen? I don't see any clear ones for now, so I'll go about believing Otto is scum.

On April 27 2012 02:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Also, concering saving Otto, perhaps one of the two is GF and they're saving Otto who is a goon and has KP?

but the most telling thing IMO is the moment that Mattchew says that he's not sure if Sentinel is fakeclaiming he starts pushing (if you can even call it that) Risen. Up until that point he mentioned Risen as a possible scum but didn't push. This leads me to believe that this is the time that Matt came up with his fake claim. This, not so coincidentally, is the time when I started feeling matt wasn't contributing and was acting scummy... But let the posts do the talking.

On May 02 2012 08:28 Mattchew wrote:
what if sent is fake claiming and the real blue is just waiting for the right opportunity. I believe sent but idk

On May 02 2012 08:30 Mattchew wrote:
meh fuck it.. sent you need to jail BM and we need to lynch Ottox. We are doing all the right things to come back from this travesty of a game

On May 02 2012 08:35 Mattchew wrote:
lol @ risen trying to confuse the thread

On May 02 2012 08:40 Mattchew wrote:
if you dont pay attention to risen... you wont pay attention to scum

On May 02 2012 08:45 Mattchew wrote:
johnny i am being productive... i am telling you not to listen to scum

On May 02 2012 08:48 Mattchew wrote:
Risen is trying to get us off his scum teammate

On May 02 2012 09:05 Mattchew wrote:
lol johnny risen is scum

On May 02 2012 09:07 Mattchew wrote:
ill post more at the end of the night

On May 02 2012 10:26 Mattchew wrote:
sent should jail BM
and we should lynch BM tomorrow

that is all

goodnight

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 03 2012 01:36 GMT

#2191

also, if your claim were to be true, going along with sentinel is not what you would do. You would have 2 confirmed scum, out of 3 left, and yet you chose to vote for neither of them. No townie would do that.

##unvote
##vote mattchew

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 03 2012 01:44 GMT

#2195

I meant yesterdays lynch, where he voted for ottox... After Sent claimed, Matt would have 2 confirmed scum out of 3 total (Sent and Risen). BUT HE VOTED FOR OTTOX. Does that make sense as town?

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 03 2012 01:47 GMT

#2198

I don't buy it matt. If you have 2 confirmed scum you vote for a confirmed scum. I don't care what role you think they are, if you have 2 confirmed scum you vote for them.

The last minute switch didn't confirm shit and you know it.

On April 27 2012 01:03 Mattchew wrote:
was distracted by the pretty colors. Basically I was gonna argue that his correlations are not well founded. Remember Risen didn't save Ottox from a lynch, he simply made it a tie favoring zeph. His vote didn't matter in the least, which is why it makes almost no sense for him as scum to switch like he did. Ottox on the other hand can easily still be scum but I don't think it has anything to do with how Risen acted/voted

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 03 2012 01:54 GMT

#2200

On May 03 2012 10:45 Mattchew wrote:

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?

I voted Ottox, cause Risen being scum confirmed him to me. This is not illogical at all seeing the last minute vote switch of day 2.

you JUST said that you thought that risen being scum confirmed ottox to you because of the switch

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 03 2012 02:06 GMT

#2203

yeah you're right, none of your posts make sense as town.

this post is assuming your claim is true.

maybe i am rushing my posts. the point is there was 0 reason to not claim and 0 reason to lynch someone who wasnt confirmed scum absolutely 0. i can't think of a single reason why you wouldn't claim. you let town sheep a confirmed scum and theres no way a town would let that happen. If a confirmed scum is pushing someone you thought was scum, do you think somethings suspicious there? maybe? it makes no sense.

another thing to address is the timing of your claim. As scum, it makes perfect sense really. If you let town sheep a jk because they successfully blocked a shot, then you lose your kp. Risking losing a GF to lynch the JK in order to mislynch and keep your KP makes perfect sense. It was a big risk and it didn't pay off. At the very least, if you failed, you'd be lynched and your Goon wouldn't be, so you'd have a KP for at least tonight. I'd be willing to bet you're a GF and BM is the last Goon.

##unvote
##vote Bill Murray

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 03 2012 02:38 GMT

#2213

On May 03 2012 11:23 Mattchew wrote:
Actually as scum, the timing of my claim would probably make more sense if I were to post it closer towards the end of the day so that people don't have as much time to read my filter, discuss whether or not its true and discuss the 3rd scum option.

A question I have for you, is why are you so quick to believe Sent's claim with basically no argument, even though ottox posted a completely logical reason for you not to believe him?

I'll actually look into ottox's argument, i didn't really put much thought into it.

as for the first part, claiming at the end of the day would make you look waaaaaay scummier, and we'd end up lynching a "town".

anyways, if we mislynch today, we're at lylo, 5v3 yes? that means that lynching BM is the best course of action for both of your claims, believe it or not. Let me explain.

If BM flips goon, then we lynch you, as it confirms Sent as a Jailkeeper and you as a liar. This means we get 2 scum without losing without fail. We won't be at lylo tomorrow in this situation.

If BM flips town, we lynch Risen and Sentinel, as it confirms Matt as a vig and Sent as a liar. This means we also get 2 scum without losing without fail. We will be at lylo tomorrow, but that doesn't really matter since we get 2 scum either and it'll be favorable for town from there.

If BM flips GF, we act the same as if he flipped town, except we catch all 3 scum without fail.

So there we have it. Any objections to this plan?

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

May 03 2012 02:43 GMT

#2216

Paqman, what do you think of my plan? I think it just won town the game

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