Pure, one thing that is continuing to concern me is the fact that you refuse to mention or aknowledge other cases, and you continue to tunnel. Are they inferior to your own? why do you have this stance?
The longer you keep this up the more i think you are scum.

Nova_Terra

Switzerland1190 Posts

April 19 2012 21:51 GMT

#505

Okay. for now,
##Unvote
##Vote: Pure-SC2

Nova_Terra

Switzerland1190 Posts

April 19 2012 22:05 GMT

#506

Going to bed. i assume i'll see lazer the townie dead when i get up, but if any townie feels like rallying and actually killing a likely scum, try pure. gl

Therapist.

United States207 Posts

April 19 2012 22:23 GMT

#507

I know I'm really inactive. I'm just really busy lately. Sorry I'm not gonna be much good in this game, but I am going to throw a vote in so I don't get modkilled. Not based on anything in particular except my fairly blind faith in Nova at this point.

##Vote: Pure-SC2

Daymor

New Zealand151 Posts

April 19 2012 22:25 GMT

#508

Ok, I mentioned earlier that I don't intend to have my vote end the day on Macheji, and that is still my plan. I like that he has been contributing and I can certainly see a decent amount of effort going into his posts.

@Lorant - In regards to your question about sparing Nova_Terra from the lynch and my position after the fact. I personally did not have a solid read on oneplus at the time, but looking back on it the fact that he was willing to stick his neck out is probably something I should have picked up on.

I do think that Nova did a decent job of defending himself, the one thing I got from it is he is at least invested in the game, I saw less of that from oneplus.

Your case on Pure-SC2

Similar to BlueyD's perspective I don't really find your case terribly convincing, there are a few issues I have with your case and your more recent play, I don't intend to turn it into a case at the moment, but I will list a few of the bigger things that I find concerning;

+ Show Spoiler +

On April 16 2012 21:16 Lorant wrote:
@Pure-SC2 in response to your case on Nova. We'll have to see what his suspicion of solohan is, but I'd still like Crossfire to answer the same question .. preferably before Nova. If crossfire has an argument to offer Nova will just have to find another one.

Show nested quote +

..noted, yes that was bad.

It pains me to say this but Nova has outlasted his use to town already. He did good with the voting (although that was symbolic, not sure if it had any palpable effect) and he has shown us an anti-example of how a leader should not act. I doubt we can expect him to make substance-packed, easy to follow cases but I would love to be positively surprised.

On April 19 2012 06:21 Lorant wrote:

My gut feeling basically is that I'm scared. I'm pretty scared that Pure-SC2 is playing good scum while Nova is bad scum. If so, they tried to control the thread from the very beginning and establish Nova as leader and it would've worked because Nova could've posted Pure's observation/analysis making him look capable. Pure's case on Nova was trivial and he would've switched his vote but oneplus already had 6 votes and Nova only 4. After Raven switched it would've been way to scummy for Pure to switch too. Now what's happening is that Pure is the capable one and Nova might be covering his back like a dog, grunting at everyone who even considers his strongest town read scummy. I don't know which is worse (hard to counter), this or a leader Nova with Pure's posting. So this is basically what I'm afraid of. Nothing more, nothing less. Irrational .. maybe
Oh and talking about Nova bulldogging for Pure. Check out how he's on my ass after I say Pure is scummy. He doesn't even care why he just wants to take me apart with the council stuff and whatnot.

1) Initially, I get the impression that you are at least somewhat agreeable to Pure's case, you don't really ever state you thought it was good or anything. But you state that Nova_Terra 'has outlived his usefulness' as you put it, so a similar opinion is certainly there.

Between the two posts, I think it's fairly clear you haven't changed your position in regards to Nova_Terra, but you have in regards to your perception of Pure's case, it went from a more neutral stance to being 'trivial'. Nowhere in that first post in response to Pure's case could I find a solid stance on it either way. So I say neutral because you have come to the same conclusion.

2) In reference to your case against Pure-SC2, this part I don't think contributes anything towards your argument or provide a solid reason why he should be lynched;

On April 19 2012 06:21 Lorant wrote:
My gut feeling basically is that I'm scared. I'm pretty scared that Pure-SC2 is playing good scum while Nova is bad scum. If so, they tried to control the thread from the very beginning and establish Nova as leader and it would've worked because Nova could've posted Pure's observation/analysis making him look capable. Pure's case on Nova was trivial and he would've switched his vote but oneplus already had 6 votes and Nova only 4. After Raven switched it would've been way to scummy for Pure to switch too. Now what's happening is that Pure is the capable one and Nova might be covering his back like a dog, grunting at everyone who even considers his strongest town read scummy. I don't know which is worse (hard to counter), this or a leader Nova with Pure's posting. So this is basically what I'm afraid of. Nothing more, nothing less. Irrational .. maybe

This section starts by stating your gut feeling, and that you are scared. Then to support this statement instead of really introducing anything I would consider tangible you introduce a big WIFOM and speculation basically stating 'if this, then that' etc.

Your perspective is certainly vastly different to mine, but I have a hard time taking that seriously when you support the argument with nothing tangible other than speculation and what essentially amounts to fear-mongering.

As for today's vote

I still have a town read on Pure, and Lorant's case doesn't really change that perspective at all. My strongest scum read is still Lazermonkey. His more recent posts I feel have been better, but I still trust my earlier opinions on him from this post.

So I am going to put my vote on Lazermonkey.

##Unvote:Macheji
##Vote:Lazermonkey

Daymor

New Zealand151 Posts

April 19 2012 22:27 GMT

#509

EBWOP

Think I screwed up the spacing on my voting

##Unvote: Macheji
##Vote: Lazermonkey

Lorant

Hungary112 Posts

April 19 2012 22:33 GMT

#510

Can we agree to lynch Therapist on Day 3. That's like the worst timing for the worst reason to vote for someone in history ever.

Pure-SC2

United Kingdom1440 Posts

April 19 2012 22:35 GMT

#511

Oh, and there is Therapist. What fortuituitious timing...

Pure-SC2

United Kingdom1440 Posts

April 19 2012 22:35 GMT

#512

EBWOP: fortuitous

Pure-SC2

United Kingdom1440 Posts

April 19 2012 22:38 GMT

#513

On April 20 2012 06:48 Nova_Terra wrote:
ahh sry FF said 25 mins and i freaked out

Where did he say this? I don't see a post from him stating this?

Lorant

Hungary112 Posts

April 19 2012 22:39 GMT

#514

i did

Pure-SC2

United Kingdom1440 Posts

April 19 2012 22:41 GMT

#515

EBWOP: Sorry, found it.

Lorant

Hungary112 Posts

April 19 2012 22:52 GMT

#516

Pure don't you dare think that this + Show Spoiler +

On April 20 2012 06:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
Going to bed now, hope that I survive the night. Don't think so tho :S. Pure seems to act strange at this point, doesn't answer my post even tho he is accusing me etc. Will keep my vote on Solohan tho. Hope to see you tomorrow ^^

makes you confirmed town if he flips red.